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Guantanamo Guards Accused of Mistreating Koran (WaPo rides to rescue of Newsweek)
Washington Post (Newsweek's parent company) ^ | May 25, 2005; 4:54 PM | Dan Eggen

Posted on 05/25/2005 7:16:03 PM PDT by tgslTakoma

Nearly a dozen detainees at the Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba told FBI interrogators that guards had mistreated copies of the Koran, including one who said in 2002 that guards "flushed a Koran in the toilet," according to new FBI documents released today.

The summaries of FBI interviews, obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union as part of an ongoing lawsuit, also include allegations that the Koran was kicked, thrown to the floor and withheld as punishment and that guards mocked Muslim prisoners during prayers.

The release of the new FBI documents comes in the wake of an international uproar over a now-retracted story by Newsweek magazine, which reported that an internal military report had confirmed that a Koran was flushed down a toilet. The retracted story has been linked by the Bush administration to deadly riots overseas.

(SNIP)

Amrit Singh, an ACLU attorney, said in a press release that "the United States' own documents show that it has known of numerous allegations of Koran desecration for a significant period of time."

"The failure to address these allegations in a timely manner raises grave questions regarding the extent to which such desecration was authorized by high-ranking U.S. officials in the first place," Singh said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: buttbuddies; fifthcolumn; korandesecration; newsweek; oldmedia; sedition; wp
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Looks like the Washington Post (proud parents of NEWSWEEK) didn't think there were enough riots and bloodshed from the now-retracted Newsweek story.
1 posted on 05/25/2005 7:16:03 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma

BWAHAHAHA. Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, WaPo.


2 posted on 05/25/2005 7:24:22 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: tgslTakoma

Hmmm....more documents just in the nick of time.


3 posted on 05/25/2005 7:24:39 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: tgslTakoma
guards had mistreated copies of the Koran

So now a Koran is a sentient being? What did they do, put panties on its head?

4 posted on 05/25/2005 7:25:59 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: tgslTakoma
My lord, give it up already. These are allegations made by detained terrorists.... Hello!

Funny you didnt give the Swift Boat Veterans the same amount of credit you give these detainees.

Just ask anyone in prison. They are all innocent and every guard abuses them.
5 posted on 05/25/2005 7:26:40 PM PDT by baystaterebel (F/8 and be there!)
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To: tgslTakoma
Of course they are. They own the damn rag!

Here are the THREE faces of Newsweek. Gives two-faced, I mean three-faced a whole new meaning!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44433
6 posted on 05/25/2005 7:26:49 PM PDT by Chgogal
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To: tgslTakoma

Wow, and to think they believe these American hating turds. Of course they are going to make accusations. They are going to say anything they can to incite violence against their enemy. Why in the world would the FBI allow this information out? And why can't the ACLU work for Americans and not terrorists?


7 posted on 05/25/2005 7:26:51 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: tgslTakoma

perhaps this will force the administration to issue a blunt message - any reports like this coming from detainees, their lawyers, or the "relief" agencies at Gitmo, should be assumed to be lies. Period.


8 posted on 05/25/2005 7:27:30 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: tgslTakoma

Good, now they loose any shred of credibility they had too.


9 posted on 05/25/2005 7:27:56 PM PDT by Jewelsetter
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To: tgslTakoma

Observe carefully. I shall now take totally unreliable statements from "a dozen detainees at the Guantanamo Bay military prison" and...

Presto! Majesto!

... turn them into "new FBI documents".


10 posted on 05/25/2005 7:29:16 PM PDT by Nick Danger (www.iranfree.org)
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To: tgslTakoma

Can we just have a flush in?


11 posted on 05/25/2005 7:34:40 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: tgslTakoma

The enemy within knows no boundaries.

One day they will pay....big time.


12 posted on 05/25/2005 7:34:50 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Allen/DeLay '08!!)
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To: tgslTakoma

What did they desecrate that day?

13 posted on 05/25/2005 7:35:22 PM PDT by USAfearsnobody
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To: kristinn; Doctor Raoul; BillF; Hoodlum91; rudy45; Jimmy Valentine's brother; BufordP; Angelwood; ...

The Washington Post doesn't want Newsweek to be the only Old Media to cause riots and protests against America.


14 posted on 05/25/2005 7:36:02 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma

Who cares? Christians are beheaded in the country of the Koran fanatics for being Christians.

I'm getting so sick and tired of these thin-skinned, anti-American liberals in New York and DC.

I will continue to apply my considerable mental powers in transmitting bad thoughts their way in hope they meet some horrible, horrible demise.

Their lack of faith disturbs me! ;-)


15 posted on 05/25/2005 7:38:35 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: USAfearsnobody

More powerful than my intended reply.


16 posted on 05/25/2005 7:40:59 PM PDT by scheuber
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To: facedown

What about "Separation of Church and State" from the ACLU. I thought the government should have no respect for any religion because if it does then it is in danger of becoming a theocracy. Sorry, but gaurds doing anything TO A BOOK is not news. It's not even intimidating. Can you see the Muslims now... "oh don't take my Koran, don't drop that pleae, I'll tell you whatever you want...." Yeah right.

I am outraged! Wait. No I'm not. I'm outraged any news organization is reporting this AS NEWS (regardless of whether it's true or not)


17 posted on 05/25/2005 7:50:28 PM PDT by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope when Liberals pull us off the cliff?)
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To: tgslTakoma
This is some comments I have sent to the ACLU. Hope they get it and read it. Probably won't though:

To Whom it may concern,(not that anyone at the ACLU would be).

The ACLU is no longer a defender of freedoms but a defender of all things unAmerican. Your attacks on religion, patriotism, and conservatism are in direct opposition of your own stated mission. Your support of foreigners, terrorists, and other anti-American factions is on the verge of seditious. I have known for years the ACLU is diverging from the path of "Americana" under the guise of defending Constitutional rights. This is a farce and a travesty to the rights of the majority in this country. Because, as much as the ACLU likes to use the individual as their tool, it is a fact that the Constitution defines the Majority as the rulers of this nation. The ACLU attacks on laws and policies that are supported by the Majority of Americans is as Unconstitutional as lawmakers passing laws that support religion or suppress the media. And to use non-Americans, especially ones that would love to see this country destroyed, in its grievances is even more insulting to Americans.

Your uncovering of statements of abuses against the Koran by the terrorists being held at Guantanamo is ridiculous in the least. Are you so gullible as to believe these haters of freedom and democracy? The very things you claim to protect. Has the ACLU lost any form of objectivity? It is fundamentally illogical to take the word of any person who's motive is to seek the destruction of your society as anything but false.

Have you any other sources to validate these claims other than the FBI interviews of terrorists? Until you come up with any, it may be in the best interest of the ACLU to publicize them. Otherwise, it will be the opinion of this American, and many others, that the ACLU is anything but American, Civil, or for Liberty.
18 posted on 05/25/2005 7:51:35 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: All

The Commies down at the aCLU would be celebrating if the terrorists had flushed a bible down the toilet. The scumbags at the Arab Civil Liberties Unions do not deserve to live in this country.


19 posted on 05/25/2005 7:52:00 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: Alouette
So now a Koran is a sentient being? What did they do, put panties on its head?

You owe me a new monitor after that line. :)
20 posted on 05/25/2005 7:52:42 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --Lord Acton)
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To: tgslTakoma

LYING Headlines and articles.

Most articles carefully leave out that it was ONLY the word of some detainees AND that it was a DETAINEE who put the Koran into the toilet and claimed the guards did. THIS is what's in the FBI file, yet all articles make is sound, as if there were evidence found by the FBI, that the guards did it.


"VanNatta recounted that in 2002, the inmates suddenly started yelling that the guards had thrown a Qur'an on or near an Asian-style squat toilet. The guards found an inmate who admitted that he had dropped his Qur'an near his toilet. According to VanNatta, the inmate then was taken cell to cell to explain this to other detainees to quell the unrest. But the incident could partly account for the multiple allegations among detainees, including one by a released British detainee in a lawsuit that claims that guards flushed Qur'ans down toilets. "


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1408447/posts


21 posted on 05/25/2005 7:56:38 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: tgslTakoma

Well, in the Holy Bible, there is the story of the apostle Paul in Ephesus. When people were preached the truth about Jesus, they brought all of their books that pertained to 'curious arts' and burned them.

My suggestion is: take any of the MSM publications to your nearest livestock confinement/feedlot and offer those items to the herdsman as bedding/absorbant.

As for the book in question: If I come across one, I shall have a private burning. I'm not going to stir up hostilities by a public display.


22 posted on 05/25/2005 8:00:27 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: tgslTakoma

Muslims behead people with bibles- Saudis as matter of policies destroys all bibles they find. The koran is a freakin' book- and it seems not to be religion of peace- flush 'em all!!!


23 posted on 05/25/2005 8:01:48 PM PDT by Serious Capitalist
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To: swilhelm73; Registered
So now a Koran is a sentient being? What did they do, put panties on its head?

You owe me a new monitor after that line. :)

Paging Registered...do you take requests. :-)

24 posted on 05/25/2005 8:05:34 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: tgslTakoma
Nearly a dozen detainees at the Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba told FBI interrogators that guards had mistreated copies of the Koran.....

"Nearly a dozen members of Free Republic posted on the Internet that they had seen the editors of the Washing Post having sex with sheep."

25 posted on 05/25/2005 8:09:39 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: FairOpinion
That's their job at the MSM, do whatever they can to try and make news fit their political agenda.

Our job here is to call them on their lies. Gosh, I bet they really hate the internet.

27 posted on 05/25/2005 8:15:59 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: Polybius

LOL !!


28 posted on 05/25/2005 8:17:01 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: phoenix0468

"And why can't the ACLU work for Americans and not terrorists?"

Because they were founded by a Marxist and bent on the destruction of the United States. They favor anything that paints America as negative and/or failing.


29 posted on 05/25/2005 8:17:26 PM PDT by Gum Shoe (I'm not a professional military officer, I just play one on TV.)
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To: dannyboy72
What about "Separation of Church and State" from the ACLU.

You missed it:

"Separation of Church and State"

30 posted on 05/25/2005 8:20:56 PM PDT by USAfearsnobody
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To: Polybius

And the headline needs to read:

Memo reports Washington Post reporters having sex with sheep.

Shamelessly 'stolen' and reworded from a Reuters headline,


31 posted on 05/25/2005 8:21:09 PM PDT by demitall (Now how do we get it in a FBI memo.)
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To: Liberal_Lies

Sarcasm does not become you.


32 posted on 05/25/2005 8:21:31 PM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: Gum Shoe

Were they really founded by a Marxist. Who was that? I really have little knowledge of it's founding.


33 posted on 05/25/2005 8:22:13 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: demitall

Oops that should have been editors.

Guess I need one.


34 posted on 05/25/2005 8:22:24 PM PDT by demitall (Now how do we get it in a FBI memo.)
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To: Liberal_Lies; MeekOneGOP

Could it be true that you are lurking?


35 posted on 05/25/2005 8:23:52 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: tgslTakoma
Guantanamo Guards Accused of Mistreating Koran

Was that the original title of the article? It seems to lend credence to the charges. Did a former guard make the charge? Did an FBI agent make the charge? No, but the title leaves it open.

The title on the linked WaPo story is now "Inmates Alleged Koran Abuse." The has a lot less credibility than the the previous version.

36 posted on 05/25/2005 8:24:58 PM PDT by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: Liberal_Lies

Because I think you're full of it. I've read your forum threads. It is my opinion that you are here just to cause trouble.


38 posted on 05/25/2005 8:27:08 PM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: Nick Danger

After working years in the intelligence field...I can certify that everyone and their brother "borrows" reports upon reports upon reports...and regenerates them. When you dig down, there is nothing new...its just the same report you read two months ago, but with a new slant. My bet is that the FBI simply took a report from someone else and refined it...and when the Washington Post digs this whole thing out...they will suddenly become quiet.


39 posted on 05/25/2005 8:27:58 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: phoenix0468

It is my unscientific opinion that he/she is full of it.


40 posted on 05/25/2005 8:28:06 PM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: Polybius
"Nearly a dozen members of Free Republic posted on the Internet that they had seen the editors of the Washing Post having sex with sheep."

Actually, to take this from a hypothetical to a real world situation...remember when the WaPo refused to believe 250 or so Swift Boat veterans because, well, they might have a political agenda?

Hard to believe that the word of a murderous terrorist carries more then the weight of 20 former service men to the MSM...
41 posted on 05/25/2005 8:28:36 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --Lord Acton)
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To: BillF

That was the original title of the article (online). Now if I can remember how to pull up the page from my temporary files, I could save it. I think I have to be offline to do that... hmmm, until I figure it out I won't go to the WP again or I'll lose the old view.


42 posted on 05/25/2005 8:35:04 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: phoenix0468

"Were they really founded by a Marxist. Who was that? I really have little knowledge of it's founding."



"I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

Roger Baldwin, founder of the American Civil Liberties Union.
Quoted in the National Federation for Decency Journal, September 1988. Page 9.


43 posted on 05/25/2005 8:39:57 PM PDT by Gum Shoe (I'm not a professional military officer, I just play one on TV.)
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To: beandog
Many lurkers here. Must sniff out all lurkers and uncover their think nasty bones:



And this one smells ripe.
44 posted on 05/25/2005 8:40:18 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Polybius

I like it, but the sentence that identifies the accusers should be buried in the story, maybe on the jump page. The title of the front page story should be:

WaPo Editors Accused of Sheep Sex Abuse


45 posted on 05/25/2005 8:41:53 PM PDT by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: Gum Shoe
Yup, he's a Commie all right. Guess those stated goals and their mission statement is just a whole bunch of horse manure than eh?
46 posted on 05/25/2005 8:43:46 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: BillF

Or better yet:

WaPo Editors Exploiting Sheep for Sexual Pleasure!!

ACLU to Defend Sheep in Sexual Harassment Suit.


47 posted on 05/25/2005 8:45:33 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: tgslTakoma

Hey WaPo Editor, your ass is on fire, here let me kick it.
48 posted on 05/25/2005 8:48:56 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: phoenix0468

I don't know about "ACLU to Defend Sheep in Sexual Harassment Suit."

ACLU would be torn. They like to represent sex harassment plaintiffs, but ACLU likes to promote perverts more. (See, among other cases, their representation of NAMBLA, a group of child molestors who like to swap tips about molesting.)

The ACLU would likely turn their defense of the WaPo editors into a campaign against our bestophobic, narrow-minded, bigoted, and judgmental bias against those who engage in bestiality.


49 posted on 05/25/2005 9:16:30 PM PDT by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: BillF

Your probably right, and it would insult the sheep to be defended by such as well.


50 posted on 05/25/2005 9:18:28 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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