Posted on 05/22/2005 6:08:44 PM PDT by Sun
I strongly disagree. Blind people have been made to see, people have been able to be cured to walk with adult and ambilical stem cells.
You did not mention that embryonic stem cells cause tumors. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT OMISSION. Itty bitty babies are supposed to grow fast in the womb. Putting these cells in an adult triggers an imbalance of nature (tumors).a
Maybe you need to add more funding for chemotherapy as part of this funding...
It is no more possible for people to see eye to eye on this than it is to discuss abortion. so why even discuss it. Some think to stop this is equivalent to stopping the splitting of the atom, the discovery of properties of matter, the exploration of space. Others see this as murder.
So why bring it up at all? All it leads to is the dissolution of any ability to discuss anything on this board which is about at the breaking point.
Some think this is a good bill. Any room for reasonable disagreement here? NO, there is no room. So why bring it up as if everyone here is in agreement.
"This type of research is ..." Cannibalism. Stem cells ripped from embryo-aged human organisms for experiments and treatments is as surely cannibalism as it would be if the embryos were placed on crackers and serve for snacks. If the world wants to live by cannibalism, is that the best reason to embrace such wrong in America? If the world were seen to be committing suicide by bioengineering in search (only search mind you) of immortality, would that prompt America to follow suit?
It's like the euphemism of 'therapeutic cloning' being tossed about by the agenda driven BM (big media) trying to hide the truth that such cloning is destined to kill an alive human for their parts, but the purposed deception is that therapeutic cloning won't allow the alive human to be born ... cloning is cloning when you acknowledge the truth that embryo is an age you and everyone else went through during their lifetime. Don't allow the purpose of the cloning determine the efficacy of such evil.
You asserted, "An uprooted acorn is not an oak tree." You couldn't even frame your deception accurately! 'Uprooted'? Do a little experiemnt for your edification. Find a peanut in the shell. Carefully open the shell and remove the nut. Now, carefull separate the two sides of the nut and look to one end where there is a tiny peanut plant already forming from the very beginning of the 'fruiting' process. Embryo, the entire organism including the placental encapsulation being built for survival, is a human being at the earliest age in the lifetime already begun. The acorn seed is an oak species member, regardless of whether you 'uproot it' or not.
Let's take a read of your supposed addition to someone's understanding, and point out the absurdities in your assertions:
"I think you are missing the breakthrough of the Koreans. These stem cells are identical in DNA to those of the patients with a wide array of inflictions. No rejection risk.You don't know what mitochondrial DNA is, apparently, the DNA in the ovum from which the nucleus has been removed for this procedure; such DNA remains a snag in the 'holy grail' of avoiding tissue rejection. The only environment that DNA identical stem cells can be CREATED is in a hollowed out egg. If you were a bit more up on the current science, you would realize that adult stem cell research using MAPC's (multipotent progenitor cells) is transitioning undifferentiated stem cells taken from the patient, yielding stem cells identical--even in mitochondrial DNA--to the patient's tissues. It is not an embryo when it is 'destroyed.'You're not alive when your destroyed, either. When the DNA from a skin cell of one of the skin cell donors is placed into the hollowed out egg [The term you're searching for is enucleated or denucleated] and then stimulated to believe it has combined with sperm DNA, a kinda fake orgasm Somatic cell nuclear transfer and subsequent chemical or electrical stimulation of the cloned zygote has nothing to do with sex, not even the 'orgasm' of copulation, then the egg chemically changes and begins the embryonic process, i.e. create stem cells by division. The cloning process conceives a human embryo and the subsequent cell divisions (mitosis) differentiate cells groupings tasked with both the building of the placental encapsulation (first organ for the being's survival), and the inner cell mass that builds the body of organs for survival in the air world. The cloners rip out the inner cell mass that is the being's forming body of air-world organs and tissues, yet some of the placental cell grouping are also incorporated in the formation of the digestive system, etc. This makes the extraction process precarious because if any placental cells are included in a treatment for the patient, teratomas (tumors) can result. The solution to this problem currently suggested by those pushing this evil is to allow the embryonic aged being to live long enough for cells in the inner cell mass to develop far enough down the differentiation highway so that extracting non-placental cells is more reliable. The egg provides the environment chemically for this to happen. Almost correct; the denucleated ovum has the chemical bath necessary for embryo mitosis, and the ovum provides a zona pellucida that shelters the early embryonic being. In the near future, scientists will have succeeded in maintaining an artificial womb for raising these cloned embryo beings. No doubt folks like you will be sold the efficacy of such processes with the euphemism of 'therapeutic cloning', the type of cloning which kills the alive cloned being before it can reach birth age. But it's still cannibalism. In addition, the ability to create a successful stem cell growth environment was drastically increased." Efficient cannibalism is still cannibalism.
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Thank you for the laughs ...
I know what you are saying, and even if ESC did help people, I would be against killing innocent human life.
However, I see TWO immoral reasons to not pass this bill.
1) It is wrong to kill innocent human life.
2) Our tax dollars should go toward ADULT stem cells which has both success and the promise for more success.
Dittos to those reasons, Sun.
Replies like that can get you banned.
Don't make me come over there.....
I learned from each of your replies. Let's be more civil as we reveal the truth about stem cells.
I'm not being deceptive, I'm merely stepping into the minefield of 'where life begins.' Life does begin at conception. This is observable via microscope. But at the same time, it takes a microscope just to see it. In the first days after fertilization, there is very little materially different between a fertilized egg and the spermatazoa and the unfertilized egg that preceded it.
I guess what I'm saying is that even if we accept that life begins at conception, it's not the same type of life that develops later on. Not from the perspective of the living creature, either. Life is a continuum, from fertilization to realization to death.
I have a suspicion that a lot of future science - not just stem cell research, but fundamental research into the nature of life - will involve exploring the fertilization process. I don't think this is inherently wrong. If there is a dividing line, I think I'd place it at the point where the developing embryo can feel pain. Beyond that, experimentation is merely cruelty.
Read about some of the NUMEROUS cures for Adult stem cells at this link:
www.fumento.com/biotech/s...earch.html
So should our tax dollars go to make the mad scientists rich or to speed cures with something that actually works - ADULT stem cells, and more importantly, you don't have to kill an innocent life.
Probably the most striking contradiction to your assertion is that the embryo is an ORGANISM (even making its own sex cells) wheres the sperm and ova are subunits of sex organs of parent organisms.
Everyone you love was once a tiny embryo, and they would not be here if they were destroyed at that stage of their life.
Life must be respected from conception to death.
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