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Gay Group Denied Holy Communion (Minnesota)
WCCO ^ | 5/15/2005

Posted on 05/15/2005 1:48:32 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak

A group of about 100 gay Roman Catholics and their supporters were denied Holy Communion at Pentecost Mass at the Cathederal of St. Paul today.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: brownshirts; catholic; catholiclist; communion; homosexualagenda; homosexuallist; makeupyourownchurch; minnesota; mn; rainbowsash
Rainbow Sash denied...

Could someone cut and paste this, I don't know how and the printers out. Thanks.

1 posted on 05/15/2005 1:48:33 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Another thread with photos doing the rounds here right now.


2 posted on 05/15/2005 1:49:48 PM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche........ "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
A group of about 100 gay Roman Catholics and their supporters...

No such thing. Either you worship God or you worship yourself, but you can't do both.

3 posted on 05/15/2005 1:50:49 PM PDT by thoughtomator (A government-funded artist is an incompetent whore)
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To: thoughtomator

Re:3, agreed.


4 posted on 05/15/2005 1:57:29 PM PDT by griffin
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To: griffin

A sign Pope B16 is putting the hammer down?


5 posted on 05/15/2005 1:59:05 PM PDT by griffin
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Good to hear!


6 posted on 05/15/2005 2:00:09 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Great News!!!


7 posted on 05/15/2005 2:02:31 PM PDT by bdad
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Good news. No offense to any Methodists reading, but I just sent this to my Methodist fiancée along with a story recapping their church's decision to instate a lesbian pastor, with the subject line of "See the difference?"

:)


8 posted on 05/15/2005 2:05:46 PM PDT by Eeper
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
A group of about 100 gay Roman Catholics and their supporters were denied Holy Communion at Pentecost Mass at the Cathederal of St. Paul today.

I believe that they put up with that kind of thing over at the church of Our Lady of the Situational Ethic.

9 posted on 05/15/2005 2:17:32 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Yes, but her own ended up burning her at the stake when her usefulness was over.


10 posted on 05/15/2005 2:21:00 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

This really isnt news, They were told if they wore their rainbow sashes they wouldnt be allowed to receive the Eucharist. They chose to admit before God and his followers that they belong to a sick sexual cult. The real deal would have been if they had taken names and excommunicated the whole bunch.


11 posted on 05/15/2005 2:23:02 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Don't let this hit them on the way out.

(No, seriously.... their butts are filthy.)


12 posted on 05/15/2005 2:25:47 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak; St. Johann Tetzel; little jeremiah; wagglebee; ...
Rainbow Sash

Bishop Flynn

BR Simon Rosser: Vatican takes a slash at the rainbow sash
Gay Group Denied Holy Communion
IFI's LaBarbera Calls on Catholics to Reject Gay 'Rainbow Sash
Rainbow Sash Alliance USA invites First Amendment charges
Activists Urge Homosexuals to Wear 'Rainbow Sash' at Sunday Mass

13 posted on 05/15/2005 2:33:57 PM PDT by Coleus (http://www.petakillsanimals.com)
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To: Eeper
Considering what gays want catholics to eat, I'd say we have a right to refuse them Eucharist.
14 posted on 05/15/2005 2:39:20 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

AP - Sun May 15, 3:50 PM ET

Members of The Rainbow Sash Alliance enter the Cathedral of St. Paul, Minn., Sunday, May 15, 2005. A group of about 100 gay Roman Catholics and their supporters were denied Holy Communion at Pentecost Mass at the cathedral. The Rainbow Sash Alliance has been taking Communion on Pentecost at the Cathedral for the past four years, but Archbishop Harry Flynn changed the policy this year. (AP Photo/Janet Hostetter)

More information posted here:

IFI's LaBarbera Calls on Catholics to Reject Gay 'Rainbow Sash' Activism

15 posted on 05/15/2005 2:43:26 PM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: thoughtomator

>>A group of about 100 gay Roman Catholics and their supporters...

No such thing. Either you worship God or you worship yourself, but you can't do both<<


I'm pretty sure I remember in the new Pope's writings a discussion that there have always been gay Catholics then discussing the obligation he feels they have to not act on those desires.

In any case, all Christians are sinners..but we can still be Christians - the only requirements are to acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God and ask forgiveness in his name.


16 posted on 05/15/2005 2:49:22 PM PDT by paul_fromatlanta (Paul from Atlanta)
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To: Coleus

This is the fallacy with Vatican II. To be enclusive and accept Gays and their supporters, the church would be defying the Laws of God; Liviticus. This is the same quandry presented by the acceptance of abortion.

Vatican II and all of the deception it represents must be repealed. If any of the directives are contrary to the Laws of God, the Catholic Church CANNOT support it, actually no Christian Church or Congregation can support any directive be it Catholic or not that defies the Laws of God. If they did, They would not be Catholic or Christian!

It is simple and direct in it's meaning and therefore cannot be twisted to mean anything else than what it says!

The people who are breaking the Laws of the Lord must repent and change their ways - the Catholic Church WILL NOT and CAN NOT change.


17 posted on 05/15/2005 2:59:46 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
I can hear the screams of liberals now. This is a hate crime!

Of course, to the degenerate swine who inhabit Liberal Land, any standards at all are a form of fascism.

18 posted on 05/15/2005 3:08:10 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: NYer

Its a sacrament. Combining a political statement with the moment of grace that the sacramenet represents is just like wearing a sponsoring advertisement on a wedding dress.


19 posted on 05/15/2005 3:16:32 PM PDT by gogipper
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To: paul_fromatlanta

Leviticus 18:22 is unmistakable in its meaning, intent, and pertinence to the modern world. One cannot outright reject it and still honestly call oneself a Catholic.


20 posted on 05/15/2005 3:16:58 PM PDT by thoughtomator (A government-funded artist is an incompetent whore)
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To: thoughtomator
>>Leviticus 18:22 is unmistakable in its meaning, intent, and pertinence to the modern world. One cannot outright reject it and still honestly call oneself a Catholic.<<

I'm not debating about whether or not the old testament says that male/male sex is a sin. It does.

My post did two things, relate what I believe the current pope said, and he is probably in a better position than either of us to define who may be a member.

And tell you my reading of the bible - that there are only two requirements to be a Christian and that all Christians are sinners.

I'll add that judgment as to what is in another hearts and who is forgiven is reserved for God.
21 posted on 05/15/2005 3:24:25 PM PDT by paul_fromatlanta (Paul from Atlanta)
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To: paul_fromatlanta

Everyone may be a sinner, but you can't sin shamelessly and deliberately, and vow to do so again, and claim to follow Christ. The two are mutually exclusive if words have any meaning.


22 posted on 05/15/2005 3:26:29 PM PDT by thoughtomator (A government-funded artist is an incompetent whore)
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To: paul_fromatlanta
We are called to judge with righteous judgement, as someday Christians will judge angels.

There is a clear directive in the New Testament to put willful sinners out of the flock. These people are willfull and flouting it.

23 posted on 05/15/2005 3:28:20 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: paul_fromatlanta
The big difference is that these folks are looking for affirmation of their sins, acceptance of their sins.

Yes, we are all sinners. In small ways, the vast majority of us may sin daily. When we enter God's house, we are reminded of our failings and ask Him to FORGIVE us for any evil we may have embraced or wrong we may have done. We don't enter God's house proudly proclaiming our sins and asking Him to accept them.

A contrite heart does not demand acceptance, it asks for forgiveness. I see no such asking in this public display.

24 posted on 05/15/2005 3:35:44 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Proud Retosexual Wife of 12 Years)
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To: monkeywrench
"A group of about 100 gay Roman Catholics and their supporters were denied Holy Communion at Pentecost Mass at the Cathederal of St. Paul today."

So Minneapolis isn't good enough for these people?

25 posted on 05/15/2005 3:36:24 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: TypeZoNegative
So Minneapolis isn't good enough for these people?

Guess not.

The gay mommy sector practically took over my old Minneapolis neighborhood.

They must want to take over St. Paul now too.

Nice FR homepage, BTW. Good luck on getting out of the gulag. We're out in Carver County now and couldn't be happier.

I must say I miss the restaurants and art scene. It's not too far to visit though.

26 posted on 05/15/2005 3:53:28 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

They deny their sin...and refuse to repent...

So why are they REALLY in church and demanding the sacrament?

They want the church to deny Christ and to acknowledge their sin as righteous

They want the Church to be a lie..and themselves to not have
to change.

They should start their own church and claim God had no problem with Sodom and Gomorrah...


27 posted on 05/15/2005 4:09:31 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: paul_fromatlanta; thoughtomator

Here's what it says in the Catechism

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.


28 posted on 05/15/2005 4:33:09 PM PDT by Coleus (http://www.petakillsanimals.com)
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To: paul_fromatlanta
the only requirements are to acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God and ask forgiveness in his name.

Back to Scripture school for you.

"If you love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15

"If you keep My commandments, you shall abide in My love; as I also have kept My Father's commandments, and do abide in His love." John 15:10.

"But when the master of the house shall be gone in, and shall shut the door, you shall begin to stand without, and knock at the door, saying: Lord, open to us. And He answering, shall say to you: I know you not, whence you are." Luke 13:25

One must walk the walk, not simply talk the talk.

29 posted on 05/15/2005 5:20:43 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: mplsconservative
The Illegals, gays and hippies have taken over mine. It's led to a glut of good coffee shops and tortillarillas. It's also led to a glut of fast food resteraunts not knowing simple english terms and the exportation of good places to get steak.

Now it's hummus, tofu and popcorn with "nutritional yeast".

I'm skipping the red county thing and I'm going to a red state. I'm heading off to Florida.

BTW, thanks on the profile compliment. You can pretty much tell I'm from Minneapolis after seeing that.

30 posted on 05/15/2005 5:52:16 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: paul_fromatlanta

"In any case, all Christians are sinners..but we can still be Christians - the only requirements are to acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God and ask forgiveness in his name."

Don't forget that repentance is also required. We are not allowed to continue to live as the 'world' lives. We are saved from the wrath to come in order to be righteous here and now.


31 posted on 05/15/2005 6:05:24 PM PDT by vigilo
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To: TypeZoNegative
The Illegals, gays and hippies have taken over mine. It's led to a glut of good coffee shops and tortillarillas. It's also led to a glut of fast food resteraunts not knowing simple english terms and the exportation of good places to get steak.

I bet I can pinpoint where you're at. Either Longfellow or Corcoran. I lived in both for twenty years combined. Lot's of good taquerias.

A gay liberal bought our Corcoran house. Hope he's happy with the illegals that crowd the apartments on the block.

Some "happy to pay more taxes" types bought our Longfellow house.

I wish I could skip the red county thing and move to a red state. My husband's job here precludes that option.

Best of luck to you in Florida. I'll be wishing I was there when next November rolls around. In fact, how cold this spring has been, I wish I was there now.

32 posted on 05/15/2005 6:34:26 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: mplsconservative

None of those neighborhoods. They've moved into Phillips, where I am.


33 posted on 05/15/2005 6:41:41 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: SteveMcKing
Don't let this hit them on the way out. (No, seriously.... their butts are filthy.)

Bwwwahahaha. LMAO...Thanks, I needed a good laugh...

34 posted on 05/15/2005 6:44:31 PM PDT by Go Gordon (I love to snatch kisses..............and vice versa)
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To: TypeZoNegative

Okay, I was wrong. Won't be the first time or the last time.

Had the South Minneapolis part right though. Wish you could have been my neighbor. All of South definately needs more FReepers. Sadly (or not), we're fleeing for more sane environs.

Now I'm craving Jasmine Deli and Big E's Soul Food.


35 posted on 05/15/2005 7:02:50 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: vigilo
Don't forget that repentance is also required.

Exactly.

36 posted on 05/15/2005 7:08:31 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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Ping to self for later pingout.


37 posted on 05/15/2005 7:09:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

No one who persists in abominable practices without contrition should be admitted to The Holy Communion. Even if they were admitted, it would only further their damnation.


38 posted on 05/15/2005 7:14:06 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: paul_fromatlanta
In any case, all Christians are sinners..but we can still be Christians - the only requirements are to acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God and ask forgiveness in his name.

Nobody would argue with you that Christians are sinners and nobody would contest the requirements either. The problem I have, looking at the picture posted earlier, is that these people have not put their faith first but their sexual perversion. In all my years of church going, I have never seen anyone wear a symbol of their sexual preference to church.

Just imagine that there were bondage clubs or men who prefer teenage girls club or swingers clubs. I'm sure all of those are somewhere in the church, but people don't wear banners or buttons to proclaim these perversions. And regardless of what the homosexuals try to portray, this is about sex. Heterosexuals have never taken so much liberty to advertise what they do in private as the homosexuals do with no shame at all.

39 posted on 05/15/2005 8:13:54 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama (Will work for cool tag line.)
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To: PistolPaknMama
I've been trying to figure out how to respond to the thoughtful pings in this thread...

I do know that Christians are called to follow God's laws and I am not demeaning the idea of works or their importance.

But I also know that the two commandments that Jesus emphasized were to love the lord God and to love one another. I'm gonna trust Jesus on what the most important things are.

Another question is what happens if a person is sinning and doesn't believe it's a sin? Suppose for example we are suppose to still refrain from eating pork? If we ask God to to forgive all our sins won't he forgive that one too?

PistolPaknMama made an excellent point about the difference between doing something kinky and doing something kinky and proclaiming that in public. I basically agree and certainly I have no desire to into detail about my private life with people that don't want to hear about it.

But then I'm not gay and I try to remember a couple of things to help me love those men who are, as Jesus commanded - one is that it hasn't been that long since it was seriously dangerous to be gay in this country and their lives were at risk if they were found out. Their current level of safety has only come through becoming more visible.

The other thing I try to remember is that gay people don't have to do very much to "be obvious." Just things I take for granted like giving my wife a quick kiss at the airport is a huge deal for them... that's a lot to repress... If I go to McDonald's and eat like a glutton or express envy of Bill Gate's money, nobody condemns me.

So anyway I'm not debating whether being gay is a sin, I'm saying I don't think it's what Jesus would want for us to be mean to them.
40 posted on 05/15/2005 10:51:37 PM PDT by paul_fromatlanta (Paul from Atlanta)
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