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U.S. JUDGE SETS PRECEDENT FOR UNITED NATIONS SOVEREIGNTY OVER AMERICA
montanasnews.com ^ | 05/12/05 | Bill Wilson

Posted on 05/14/2005 5:57:08 AM PDT by nextthunder

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To: AFPhys
Amen...tell the JUdge that they will not recognize or follow his order. And then the Executive Branch should refuse to enforce it.

Here we have proof of illegal, fraudulent acts by the UN leadership with our money and some Judge moves to keep it from being entered.

I am sorry...but spank the FBI agent's hand (very lightly) for violating his agreement with the UN...and then give him the highest civilian medal available for remaining true to his duty as a citizen and a Federal employeee...a duty to the United States and the Constitution which supercedes said UN agreement.

The UN is an anti-American institution and should be sent packing from our shores and our membership in it, and our monetary support of it should have ended decades ago.

21 posted on 05/14/2005 7:12:14 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Popman
[As disturbing as this news is, this judge should be immediately have papers of impeachment drawn up against him, the UN is not the beast of the Revelation.]

Yes, this judge should be canned. No, the U.N.(a thief institution whose mission is to destroy America's sovereign nation status, may the good Lord Jesus of Nazareth save us from these evil men) is not the beast spoken of in the book of Revelation; the beast is a symbolic representation of the latter days man that will be a ruler over nations which will eventually attack Israel [after breaking a peace agreement with them] and will be the ultimate cause for the Biblical Armageddon.
23 posted on 05/14/2005 7:22:43 AM PDT by ohhhh ("He who reaps the wind shall sow the whirlwind")
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To: tahotdog

[The precedent for a UN takeover of American territory is called "KOSOVO"]

That is the truth!


24 posted on 05/14/2005 7:24:30 AM PDT by ohhhh ("He who reaps the wind shall sow the whirlwind")
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To: Jeff Head

Time we withdrew the nomination of Mr Bolton as ambassador and sent in the marines instead.

CWII


25 posted on 05/14/2005 7:24:59 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I leave reason and good manners to those that have them.)
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To: nextthunder
A Traitor guilty of Treason.
26 posted on 05/14/2005 7:25:27 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline is currently being blocked by Congressional filibuster for being to harsh.)
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To: Jeff Head

Actually, the US Courts have ruled in the past that agreements to hide criminal conduct are against the 'public interest'* and are invalid. Thus no paddy smacking is required.



*unless of course, one is an attorney.


27 posted on 05/14/2005 7:30:53 AM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: nextthunder

The case is not a legal issue regarding "soverignty" of the U.S. or the U.N. The case involves contract law and whether or not Mr. Parton was personally obligated to live by the contract he signed - is that contract valid, did he sign it, can he be held liable for abrogating it.

It is not an issue of whether or not the U.S. Congress had a right to the documents. The issue is whether or not Mr. Parton had a right to provide them.

It would be no different if the other party had been Great Britain or Israel or Japan, and Mr. Parton had signed the contract with them. The U.N., in this instance, is no different than a foreign nation.

The entire legal question is "did Mr. Parton break his contract" and "was that contract valid" - not the soverignty of the U.S.


28 posted on 05/14/2005 7:44:01 AM PDT by Wuli (The democratic basis of the constitution is "we the people" not "we the court".)
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To: RAY

Amen to that. It is stupid that precedent is set whenever stupid decisions like this one are made.


29 posted on 05/14/2005 7:45:27 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - there are countless observable clues that God exists)
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To: dc27

I would love to see Annan get canned.





I second that. He's nothing but a puppet on the UN string.


30 posted on 05/14/2005 7:48:28 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Wuli
The case is not a legal issue regarding "soverignty" of the U.S. or the U.N. The case involves contract law and whether or not Mr. Parton was personally obligated to live by the contract he signed - is that contract valid, did he sign it, can he be held liable for abrogating it.

Can't a subpoena override a contract of confidentiality?

31 posted on 05/14/2005 7:55:15 AM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: Jeff Head

I wouldn't think the UN would have standing to take any legal action in a U.S. court - the UN should go through the U.S. Ambassador and present their grievance to the State Dept.


32 posted on 05/14/2005 8:02:05 AM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: gitmo

Soverigns do not really have subpoena power against each other, that's why they are "soverign". Can Britain subpoena records from the U.S. government? I don't think so. They can ask for them, but international law would not require we give them up.

That is how you need to view this case. Put the shoe on the other foot and ask yourself how would we, as a soverign, protect our interest. The documents apparently are part of the U.N.s records; their property. Mr. Parton signed a contract to respect that. Then, out of a sense of patriotism, he broke that contract. He's a good guy - to you and me. But that's not the question.


33 posted on 05/14/2005 8:16:12 AM PDT by Wuli (The democratic basis of the constitution is "we the people" not "we the court".)
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To: feedback doctor

When it is regarding truth.. and that truth is neccessary to defend God's law.. whistleblowers should always be defended.


34 posted on 05/14/2005 8:24:05 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Wuli
The person being subpoened isn't a sovereign, he is a US citizen. It seems no different from a subpoena issued to an employee or contractor to divulge private information about their employer. The employer may have a confidentiality agreement with the employee, but the Congress (or the courts) can overrule that in a criminal investigation.

The US has been defrauded, and is entitled to an investigation.

35 posted on 05/14/2005 8:29:17 AM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: gitmo
Don't think a subpoena, in and of itself.

However, I can't see the enforcement of a confidentiality agreement where the evidence might implicate criminality.

At the least, a Special Master (independent judge) should be able to review the documentation to ascertain whether it rises to the level of potential criminality.

The elite international "powers that be" obviously want this matter squelched. Practically, however, I think one way or another, this documentation is going to see the light of day (leak to Rush, book, etc. ) I'm sure this guy has already made several copies of the damaging info.
36 posted on 05/14/2005 8:44:53 AM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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To: gitmo

You are right that the subpoena was to Mr. Parton, not the U.N., which is why the subpoena power is not the issue. The U.S. did not subpoena the documents (U.N. property) Mr. Parton took with him, they subpeona'd Mr. Parton. The U.N. court filing is not against the U.S. congress directly, it is against Mr. Parton. It asks that their property, which he was contracturally bound to not give to anyone, be returned to them, because of their contract. Is that contract enforceable, that is the legal question, not the soverignty of anyone - the U.S. or the U.N. That is made clear in that the U.S. congress asked, but could not require, such documents from the U.N. to begin with. Quit thinking some big conspiracy and in place of the U.N. just call it "the British Embassy"; same difference in this case. Fraud, involving international circumstances, other "soverigns" and actions within the jurisdictions of those "soverigns" will always require international legal conventions in the proceedings, no matter what is the jurisdiction in which those proceedings occur. This is not a LEGAL PRECEDENT setting case.


37 posted on 05/14/2005 8:45:56 AM PDT by Wuli (The democratic basis of the constitution is "we the people" not "we the court".)
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To: nextthunder
The headline is pure crap if the article is correct. The issue is
On Aug. 18, Parton signed an agreement with the United Nations that included a clause prohibiting him from communicating with the media or with any government about material that the committee had not made public.

The man has a nondisclosure contract that he wants to violate. I don't see the sovereignty issue.


38 posted on 05/14/2005 9:05:07 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: nextthunder

A ten-say TRO is hardly precedent setting and is pretty much unenforcable. Heck, it'll take that long just for the parties to respond. The judge's order is meaningless.


39 posted on 05/14/2005 9:12:18 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Announcing you plans is a good way to hear God laugh. Al Swearengen, 1877—Deadwood)
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To: nextthunder
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BOYS AND GIRLS, DOGS AND CATS . . .

THIS
IS
THE
REASON,
THE
MAIN REASON
THAT
WE
HAVE
SUCH A HUGE
AND FIERCE
FIGHT
IN
THE
PUPPET MASTER
STOOGE
INFESTED
U.S. SENATE
OVER JUDGES.

Sure there's greed, lust for power, raging socialist power mongering winding the individuals up. But the marching orders MUST have come down from on high to insure the demise of our form of government and our way of life AT LEAST THROUGH

THE COURTS

as preliminary ground work for the rest of the criminal globalists' actions.

Flame away if you wish. I'll just consider you unread, uninformed and ignorant.

The most we can do is retard their efforts, and we should.

But the more damaging actions we can take against their schemes is to insure we have a strong relationship with God; are relating to those around us according to His priorities and are praying and possibly fasting in behalf of His Kingdom. He is the only hope of all individuals and of our nation's remnants surviving the coming more orvert dying grasping, gasping struggles of evil against God.

Evil actions on all individuals' parts contribute to the degree and speed of the puppet masters' conquest of the world. They give the supreme puppet master behind the globalist cabal--satan-greater power.

Pray folks. And do the right thing--especially with those closest in your network.

I hope that in addition to the ignorant flamers, this post triggers at least some brave souls to note the validity of such postulations--if not in the thread, then please by FREEPMAIL.

God be with all who call on Him.

40 posted on 05/14/2005 9:35:09 AM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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