Skip to comments.New York Student Sues High School for Prohibiting Pro-Life Shirt
Posted on 05/11/2005 2:11:51 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly
(CNSNews.com) - A junior at Fillmore Central High School near Buffalo, N.Y., has filed a federal lawsuit against his school district for ordering him to remove his pro-life T-shirt in violation of his free-speech rights. The Thomas More Law Center, a Michigan-based public interest law firm, and the American Catholic Lawyers Association are representing the student, Kevin Dibble, who was told by the school principal that the message on his T-shirt was offensive and therefore prohibited. The T-shirt read, "Abortion is Homicide. You will not silence my message. You will not mock my God. You will stop killing my generation. Rock for Life." Dibble said he had worn the same shirt to school several times before he was stopped - and suspended for refusing to remove it. "This is another example of a school taking sides in the abortion issue and attempting to silence a student's message because it disagrees with it," said Richard Thompson, chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center.
"It takes the focus off the social (and caste) aspect of clothing, it nips in the bud many controversies which could be avoided and which ultimately serve only to distract from the education rather than enhnce it, and apparently, it saves money on lawsuits as well."
These are good arguments. I've never been big on uniforms, as I tend to believe individuality is generally a good thing, but I could possibly come around if I were convinced that such differences are in fact a hindrance to learning. It would be interesting to see if there are any studies on this subject.
The working world has them, even government jobs do. No reason why schools cannot say, "you can choose what you want to wear but within these guidelines".
I don't "believe their hype". I simply looked at their website.
- In Virginia, the ACLU has protested the issuing of Choose Life license plates and a moment of silence for school children at the beginning of each day.
I could believe that. They don't normally want the state involved in these sorts of things. It would be nice to have a source though...perhaps the ACLU's website?
-ACLU is defended the North American Man- Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) for this pedophile groups role in the brutal murder of 10-yearold Jeffrey Curley in 1997,
I'm sure they support their right to freedom of speech and assembly...because they support EVERYONE'S. If they supported their right to murder someone, I'd like to see a source.
but the ACLU opposes abortion groups rights and supported a law that prohibits them from protesting outside of abortion clinics.
-The ACLU has filed lawsuits throughout the United States to remove Christian crosses and the 10 Commandments from public buildings.
Yes, that's true. PUBLIC BUILDINGS. Where they don't belong.
-In California, the ACLU threatened to sue the County of Los Angeles if it didnt remove a small cross from the county seal. The cross is one of the smallest images on the seal. The pagan Greek goddess Pomona is the largest image, but the ACLU only targeted the removal of the crossnot the pagan goddess.
OK, if that's true (no source?), you've got them on hypocracy. Although one could point out that nobody actually worships Greek goddesses anymore, so that would not have quite the same meaning it did...a couple thousand years ago. Seems more historic. But I'll give you that one.
-The ACLU sued Virginia Beach for a cross on its city seal. The ACLU specifically targets Christian symbols.
Any other religious icons on city or state seals? For religions that are still practiced?
-He notes that in California, students are required to read the Koran in school and the ACLU has no problem with this.
Where is your source? In what schools? For what purpose? Is this a class on world religion, Islam, or Middle Eastern Culture? Is the bible taught at any public schools in the United States? If so, what does the ACLU say about this? In other words, is there an inconsistency?
- In New York City, public schools were forced to remove all Christian symbols of Christmas but not Jewish Menorahs or the Islamic Star and Crescent for Ramadanand the ACLU didnt object.
-Well, show me a source that shows that they had problems only with Christian symbols and you've got 'em.
-In a court filing the ACLU said, "The actors in this matter deserve jail and/or fines for their calculated un-American and immoral conduct." What did these actors do? They were students who said a prayer over the PA at a high school baseball game in Louisiana. Jail time for a prayer?
Wow. Show me the source and, again, you've got 'em.
-This ACLU has yet to challenge any Muslim prayers that have now been mandated by many California public schools. For the ACLU, Islam is allowed but, Christianity is forbidden.
Hmmm...that would be incredibly bizarre, considering that almost everyone who runs those schools would be Christian (or at least not Muslim), and that almost all of the local (probably), state, and federal govt in Cali is non-Muslim, and that all schools would almost certainly have non-Muslim populations, and that...well, never mind. I would find it impossible to believe that such things would be mandated, but if you can prove it to me, well, I'll believe it.
I said "spiritually," as in spiritually thinking. I didn't make any restrictions on spirit. It depends on which definition you are using, actually--each individual human spirit or spirit in general. I certainly never said it makes you more spiritual to believe that Adam and Eve were the "source of life." In fact, they weren't the "source of life." Stop putting words in my mouth.
It is only logical that there had to be a first creature to recognize that there is a God, unless by coincidence, after how many thousands of millennia, it simultaneously occured to two people at the same instant. The Bible seems to be telling us that that isn't so, however. The Bible tells us there was a first man.
Anyway, my main point was let's stop bickering about trivia and focus on the beautiful truth that we are all in the same family. Physically and spiritually. We didn't evolve in separate regions, and we have, in a certain sense, one megaculture, unless we were raised by wolves.
No. Pantheism puts God in the human or material realm and I believe that God is only of the Spiritual realm. I believe that spirituality is the real nature of existence. This human, material world is not perfect therefore not the result of God's creation since God is by nature, perfect. This human world is the result of nonspiritual consciousness and will eventually pass away. God's creation is eternal and perfect - it has always been and always will be. In the King James version of the Bible, there are two descriptions of creation, the spiritual first and then the material (after a mist arose and covered the face of the earth). Adam and Eve are introduced in the second description of creation. Both accounts are allegorical. Both accounts are attempts to describe concepts that are obviously still complex enough that most people don't understand them.
It is only logical that there had to be a first creature to recognize that there is a God..
How is that logical? God is infinite, without limit, without beginning or end. A "first creature" implies a beginning and therefore a limit. If we are created in the image and likeness of God as the Bible says, then we also must be without beginning or end. Since God is spiritual, we must also be spiritual. We humans are stuck in the "deadly embrace" of a state of consciousness based upon a false premise (that we can exist separate and different from our Source, God). Jesus Christ brought the truth of existence to this human world and gave us the opportunity to break out of the human "deadly embrace" which enslaves the human race. We haven't done a very good job of following His instructions; but it is inevitable that we will at some point - when our minds are freed from human superstition.
I can't discuss things with people who don't observe the ordinary definitions of words. I refer you to Terminus the Mentor.
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