Skip to comments.Title IX concerns turn the lights out on night baseball (title nine madness)
Posted on 04/27/2005 2:48:00 PM PDT by Rakkasan1
ROCHESTER, Minn. - The decision to literally turn the lights out on Rochester public high school baseball this spring was not a school district issue nor a city of Rochester issue. It was complying with federal law, specifically Title IX.
That, Rochester school officials say, was the reason all home baseball games for Century, John Marshall and Mayo must be played under natural light exclusively for the first time in years.
A couple of weeks ago Mayo players were the first to experience the baseball blackout when their game was suspended because of darkness. Despite the Mayo Field lights being accessible with a flick of the switch, the teams were forced to postpone the game because of the school district's new policy.
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I wonder if they equally fund men's synchonized swimming?
I smell an ACLU rat in this story
I hope the ACLU parent-rat is happy now. Maybe we should just take it further and get the girls equal athletic support.....just different, of course. Oops, Title IX violation!
It does not prevent boys athletic programs, it does not make girls programs more important, and it does not in and of itself, eliminate any boys programs....
it does say that your spending on boys and girls programs should be about equal, which afterall, this iasAmerica, and aren't we supposed to be treated equally...
as long as the population is roughly 50-50 boys to girls, and as long as all of us are tax-payers, then I think our govt dollars should be spent on my dtr as well as my son.......
Eliminate it? In 2000 it's spending stood at $38,447,366, but Bush has raised it to $71,478,441 by 2005.
everyone must suffer and suffer equally.
Oh, and what about the sacred nightime football games, are they also to be played during the day?
Stupid, but baseball games shouldn't be played at night, anyway.
Baseball is meant to be played during the day--just sorry they had to get there through Title IX.
Could a private citizen pony up some $ for electricity, etc, and let the lights be turned on for the boys? They could then say it was private funding, and exempt from this madness.
As the parent of 3 daughters, and no sons, I have a vested interest in making sure my daughters have every opportunity to pursue their sports dreams just like any boy. They all play, or have played, numerous sports, excelling in some, just enjoying the others.
So, I don't make my comments frivolously with regard to Title IX. And I'm not a supporter of sacrificing boy's sports, and eliminating them, just so a school district, or college can afford to offer scholarships for my daughters, either. This is an enforced social experiment, governmentally imposed, and not the result of a upswelling of public interest.
As a result, you get bureaucratic inanities like this one. No lights on boy's games! Sheer idiocy!
Some aspects of Title IX are positive, others are onerous, and still others are ridiculous.
Typical governmental solution to a perceived problem.
...A couple of weeks ago Mayo players were the first to experience the baseball blackout when their game was suspended because of darkness. Despite the Mayo Field lights being accessible with a flick of the switch, the teams were forced to postpone the game because of the school district's new policy.
Just more than two years ago, a Century High School parent accused the district of not complying with Title IX, the federal law that requires equal treatment of male and female students in school districts. He said the district wasn't expanding girls sports to meet students' needs and alleged that girls' athletics facilities and equipment were inferior.
As a result, the district invited the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights to examine Rochester's athletics program to determine if the district was complying with Title IX. The Office of Civil Rights found insufficient evidence to support two of the three allegations leveled by the Century parent.
But the Office of Civil Rights did find Rochester was violating Title IX on a variety of facility issues. The district remedied the situation regarding equal ice time. It also improved the gymnastics equipment concerns. The Office of Civil Rights gave the district a deadline of last month to improve softball facility guidelines.
While the Mayo softball team's facility matched that for the boys, John Marshall and Century had softball facilities that were inferior to the boys', the office ruled. Concerns were raised regarding scoreboards, lights, public address systems, concession stands and press boxes.
"By March 1, we put in place press boxes at all three softball fields, batting cages and sound systems, and we have bleachers at each field," said Mark Kuisle, Rochester's interim supervisor of athletics. "We could not afford lights, so we notified (the Office of Civil Rights) that we would not be playing any baseball games under the lights for 2005."
The district did refute the office's comparison of baseball and softball, saying the two activities weren't parallel sports. School district attorney Nancy Vollertsen stated her case to the Office of Civil Rights, to no avail.
"She argued that not only are (baseball and softball) different games, but some conditions can be different," Rochester Superintendent Jerry Williams said. "What OCR came back and said is they understand the game is different, but what they make sure of is that females and males have the same opportunities to play the games. The OCR isn't trying to argue with us about baseball fields being different from softball fields, but the opportunity that males and females have to play under the lights was their issue."
The Rochester school district has received complaints regarding the blackout for baseball this spring, Kuisle said, but the district must comply with Title IX or face a potential lawsuit. Win or lose, cases are too costly for a district, Williams said.
"When we make these kinds of decisions, we cannot put the district in financial harm or projected harm," Williams said.
The Rochester baseball teams can play under lights so long as they are the visiting teams. For instance, Mayo could play a night game at Mankato or Austin or Northfield. But the only lights at Mayo Field, Rochester's premier baseball park, will be for VFW, American Legion, amateur and college wood bat games.
Rochester high school teams must play under the sun. Baseball players and coaches are frustrated they can't play under lights.
"Of course there's frustration on the coaches' part," Kuisle said. "We have a great facility in Mayo Field. Why is Rochester being held to a different standard than other communities? Basically, they have not had the thorough exam (by the Office of Human Rights) that we have had."
The softball issue isn't totally resolved.
With a city the size of Rochester, it isn't out of the realm of possibility, some say, for a softball complex to exist that serves youth, high school, and adult leagues.
Park and Recreation supervisor Roy Sutherland said the line that separates the idea of a general softball complex between a dream and reality is a fine one.
"We've already got them," Sutherland said. "I would love to sit down with the school district and the youth softball association and look at bringing that together. So much of the infrastructure is in place at Soldiers Field. We could create a (softball) complex like (baseball) at Mayo Field.
"But the issue is, would the varsity teams be happy having to play their games at Soldiers Field versus their own high schools?"
Ironically, school officials said, there were never any rumblings of facility concerns from girls softball teams to begin with.
"I think the boys should be playing under the lights. They've been doing that forever," John Marshall softball coach Thang Nguyen said. "Our girls don't really care much about playing under the lights or not. I think they care more about not being able to go see the guys play under the lights when they're done practicing or playing."
The problem is that some sports are more expensive than others. And each sport tends to have an imbalance of interests from boys and girls. Soccer is agreat axample of mass appeal to both boys and girls whereas wrestling doesn't (although boys wouldn't mind if there was a all-girl wrestling team I'm sure.) How about how successful a program is. If a boy's or girl's team goes all the way to the chamionship then the cost of transportation, supplies, etc. make that team's cost for the year a larger proportion than a losing team of another sport/gender. Sports do help create character, leadership skills, teamwork no matter what the gender but there is an underlying need for many parents/students to have a successful team that helps school pride, not to mention a sport that is popular across gender lines.
I don't know the magic formula but I've read too many stories about a high school or college team sport that was a champion multiple times but was cut to creat equality. This mentality eventually leads to cries such as by some of the players in the Women's Professional Soccer League to demand pay/broadcasting time to be equal to the men's. Same with art. Just because someone thinks their art is great or necessary doesn't mean one is guaranteed an audience and hence financial support.
Agreed. It's more complicated than just the meat-cleaver approach that the government applies to it.
But, this issue is now almost sacrosanct in political arenas. Untouchable.
Again, this is silly. When the government tries to force equal outcomes, it just doesn't work. Men and Women are wired differently. There are many more men trying out for sports, even in intramurals in colleges. So, if more boys want to play sports than women, why should the money spent on sports be equal?
But, I have a perfect solution. I agree, women and men are equal and there is no difference. We should eliminate the distinction between men and women's sports. Why not all play on one team. The coaches would certainly not discriminate against women if they were the best players. So, all sports; track, baseball, football, softball, golf, etc would all include open participation, best athlete wins. How could any women complain, perfect equality.
Boys are more interested in sports therefor should have greater funding for their sports teams. This Title IX law is based on the absurd feminist theory that girls like sports as much as guys do.
Title IX proponents are perfectly aware of all you have written. They could care less if the boys get screwed and are probably happy when they do get screwed. Chalk this up to feminism gone wild. Though I do admit that Title IX is fairly mainstream today and accepted by the American sheeple
No trying to argue with you specifically, but I am still trying to grasp why taxpayer education funds should be allocated and spent on extra-curricular sports.
What percentage of male students benefit?
Based on my own experience, and simple logic, it is very small.
The percentage of males interested in participating in sports is undoutedly higher than the percentage of female participants.
But both interested groups are a small minority of any given schools population.
Why is so much money spent on sports at all?
My ten year old says that if there are five boy teams and two girl teams it makes no sence to split the money equally-since there are more boy teams.
But I am not ten years old, and I wonder why the avilable "extra-curricular funds" are not divied up amongst the science,history,art, math and music "jocks"?
yeah. all the women I know watch Sports Center all day and
the men all watch Lifetime.(sarcasm)
The ideal school builds mind, body, character. Extra curricular sports are part of that and so is gym class
Gym is a pretty small part of that.
I mean since they dumped the mind and character aspect...
I mean since they dumped the mind and character aspect...
Then I would be sending my children to Karate or other oriental martial arts school. Girls too.
What should be equal is spending per participant. Thus if three times as many boys as girls choose to play sports, then it's OK for the boys sports budget to be three times as high.
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