U.S. sodomy lobby attacks Pope Benedict XVI

WorldNetDaily ^ | 4/26/05 | Les Kinsolving

[wagglebee]

New York's Gov. Al Smith not only opposed Prohibition, but in 1928 he became the first Roman Catholic ever nominated by a major party to be president.

This resulted in some of America's worst anti-Catholic expressions of bigotry – including a rumor that Gov. Smith was planning to invite the pope to make an extended visit in order to supervise the conversion of this nation to a Roman Catholic country.

When Gov. Smith lost to Herbert Hoover by 444 to 87 electoral votes, he had the good sense of humor and sportsmanship to announce that he had just sent a one-word cable to the pope: "Unpack."

Now, within hours of the election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as the new Pope Benedict XVI, this new pope has been attacked by at least four of America's Sodomy Lobby:

* The "Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbian And Gays (PFLAG) stated that the new pope does not represent a hopeful vision of the future ... He authored a Vatican document condemning marriage and adoption by gay men and lesbians in July 2003."

The Washington Blade (a Washington, D.C., homosexual newspaper) described the document as "a battle plan for Catholic politicians". (Think of that – a "battle plan"! Will the new pontiff come to the United States – as rumored in 1928 – to help Catholic politicians like Sen. Kerry win the battle?)

* The Gay Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation "is calling on the nation's media to examine Ratzinger's documented rhetoric and writings related to gays and lesbians ... In documents dating back to the 1980's, Ratzinger has branded gays and lesbians as 'objectively disordered' and being gay as a 'moral disorder' requiring a 'conversion from evil.' He has accused gay and lesbian parents of 'doing violence to their children' and he has denounced laws protecting same-sex couples and families as 'the approval or legalization of evil.'"

(Question: Did GLAAD learn all this in the two days since Cardinal Ratzinger's election? Or isn't it far more probable that they have been researching him – as the enemy – for years, in order to produce an extensive documentary of denunciation even before he is installed?)

* The deceptively titled "Human Rights Campaign" (which really ought to be honest enough to change that title to "Sodomy Rights Campaign") stated the following: "We hope Pope Benedict XVI will follow the biblical tradition of expressing love and compassion for all."

Where in the Holy Bible is there any verse expressing approval of the act of sodomy? In the New Testament, Jesus Christ, speaking to those who offend little children (and what is more offensive than child molesting?) said: "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and he cast into the sea, than he should offend one these little ones" (Luke 2:17).

The "Human Rights Campaign" also noted: "In 1986, Cardinal Ratzinger in a letter to the Catholic bishops, wrote: 'Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil.'"

* The Rainbow Sash Movement wrote that they were "deeply disappointed with the choice of Cardinal Ratzinger as pope. We had hoped for a pastor and shepherd, instead we get a doctrinal enforcer." This statement goes on to declare: "We remind our fellow Catholics that we are the Church ... The Rainbow Sash Movement will continue to call for openness, toleration and inclusion in the Church."

(Question: Have Rainbow Sash or any of these other three organizations made any statement that there should be marriage for other sexual orientations, such as necrophilia, sadomasochism or bestiality?)

It was rather disagreeably hasty for these four groups to attack the new pope so quickly. But all of their attacks are a badge of honor for this moral leader, who was so quickly elected to lead what is by far Christianity's largest denomination.

[wagglebee]

In documents dating back to the 1980's, Ratzinger has branded gays and lesbians as 'objectively disordered' and being gay as a 'moral disorder' requiring a 'conversion from evil.' He has accused gay and lesbian parents of 'doing violence to their children' and he has denounced laws protecting same-sex couples and families as 'the approval or legalization of evil.'

Memo to the homo lobby:
This is what makes him the perfect man for the job!

[el_doctor2]

He authored a Vatican document condemning marriage and adoption by gay men and lesbians in July 2003. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY HE NEEDS TO BE ELECTED!! Why do these people think everyone holds their opinions?

[NYer]

Date: 2004-11-19

Cardinal Ratzinger on Laicism and Sexual Ethics

"An Aggressive Secular Ideology Which Is Worrying"

ROME, NOV. 19, 2004 (Zenit.org).- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger warns that laicism is endangering religious freedom.

In an interview with the newspaper La Reppublica, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith said that "there is an aggressive secular ideology which is worrying."

"In Sweden," he said, "a Protestant pastor who had preached about homosexuality, based on a line from Scriptures, went to jail for one month. Laicism is no longer that element of neutrality which opens up spaces of freedom for all."

"It is being transformed into an ideology which is imposed through politics and which does not give public space to the Catholic or Christian vision, which runs the risk of becoming something purely private and thus disfigured," he added.

"In this sense, a struggle exists and we must defend religious freedom against the imposition of an ideology which is presented as if it were the only voice of rationality, when it is only the expression of a 'certain' rationalism," the cardinal clarified.

Following are excerpts from the interview, reported by the Vatican Information Service.

Q: For you, what is laicism?

Cardinal Ratzinger: A just laicism allows religious freedom. The state does not impose religion but rather gives space to religions with a responsibility toward civil society, and therefore it allows these religions to be factors in building up society.

Q: Where is God in modern society?

Cardinal Ratzinger: He has been put on the sidelines. In political life, it seems almost indecent to speak of God, as if it were an attack on the freedom of those who do not believe.

The world of politics follows its norms and paths, excluding God as something that does not belong to this world. The same in the world of business, the economy, and private life. God remains marginalized.

To me, its seems necessary to rediscover -- and the energy to do so exists -- that even the political and economic spheres need moral responsibility, a responsibility that is born in man's heart and, in the end, has to do with the presence or absence of God.

A society in which God is completely absent self-destructs. We saw this in the great totalitarian regimes of the last century.

Q: A big issue is sexual ethics. The encyclical "Humanae Vitae" produced a gap between the magisterium and the practical behavior of the faithful. Is it time to remedy that?

Cardinal Ratzinger: For me, it is clear that we must continue to reflect. In his first years as Pope, John Paul II offered a new anthropological, person-centered approach to the problem, developing a very different vision from the relationship between the "me" and "you" of men and women.

It is true that the pill has given rise to an anthropological revolution of great dimensions. It has not been, as thought in the beginning, the "only" solution for difficult situations. But it has changed the vision of sexuality, the human being and the body itself.

Sexuality has been separated from fecundity and in this way it has profoundly changed the concept of the human life.

The sexual act has lost its purpose and finality, which before was clear and specific, so that all forms of sexuality have become equivalent. Above all, from this revolution comes the equalization between homosexuality and heterosexuality. This is why I say that Paul VI indicated a problem of great importance.

Q: Homosexuality is a topic that regards love between two people and not just mere sexuality. What can the Church do to understand this phenomenon?

Cardinal Ratzinger: Let me say two things. Above all, we must have great respect for these people who also suffer and who want to find their own way of correct living. On the other hand, to create a legal form of a kind of homosexual marriage, in reality, does not help these people.

Q: Therefore you judge negatively the choice made in Spain?

Cardinal Ratzinger: Yes, because it is destructive to the family and society. The law creates morality or a moral form, since people habitually think that what the law affirms is morally allowed.

And if we judge this union to be more or less equivalent to marriage, we have a society that no longer recognizes either the specific nature of the family, nor its fundamental character; that is to say, the nature of man and woman which is to create continuity -- not only in a biological sense -- for humanity.

For this reason the Spanish decision does not provide a real benefit to these people since in this way we are destroying the fundamental elements of an order of law.

Q: Sometimes the Church, in saying no to everything, has met defeat. Should it not at least be possible for a pact of solidarity between two homosexuals to be recognized and protected by the law?

Cardinal Ratzinger: But to institutionalize an agreement of this type -- whether the lawmaker wants it or not -- would necessarily appear in public opinion like another type of marriage that would inevitably assume a relative value.

Let us not forget that with these choices, to which Europe tends today, shall we say, in decline, we make a break from all the great cultures of humanity that have always recognized the very meaning of sexuality: that is, that men and women were created to be jointly the guarantee of the future of the humanity -- not only a physical guarantee, but also a moral one.

Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

[lolhelp]

Thank God for our Pope.

[Unam Sanctam]

Thanks for the Zenit article.

[Diago]

Diocese of Cleveland to Fly its website's Rainbow Gay Pride Flag at Half Mast?:

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/images/rnbwtile.gif

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/images/tooosgif.gif

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/images/glfmlogo.gif

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/mission/index.htm

From previous stories on Bishop Pilla:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1060132/posts

In March, 2002, about two years after leaving the diocese, Charlie [the bishop's former lawyer] says he met again with Bishop Gries. “I met with Bishop Roger and I told him as a friend that he needed to tell Pilla to step down. That's all I said.”

I prod him to continue. “Because of the manner in which all of this had been handled.”

Charlie later says, “The thing that really fried me was the way the church in Cleveland has agreed to ‘infanticize' Anthony. It's like he's a child. ‘Oh, he didn't know this, he didn't know that.' Wait a minute, oh merciful God. Then what's he in charge of one million Catholics for? Yes, Quinn did crazy stuff, but he was a lieutenant, you are the general. Why didn't you stop it?

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/762432/posts

The following appeared in "The Wanderer's" From the Mail Section.:

In Cleveland, which has been racked with the most damaging sex abuse scandals outside of Boston and Los Angeles, diocesan officials, including Bishop Anthony Pilla, maintain a stiff upper lip as some homosexual activists in the chancery and parishes continue to transform parishes into gay-friendly communities. Consider:

The Diocese of Cleveland's official web site (www.dioceseofcleveland.com) greets the viewer with a rainbow flag, and gay activists at the diocese's Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry (GLFM) office are way out and way proud.

One member of the GLFM recorded his experience on an area gay web site of his participation in the Cleveland Gay Pride Parade, informing, "The catholic group had a very nice sized contingent. There were a whole ton of other religious groups as well...Oh, did I mention that I am in the same video as a pornstar?!...Our table was almost across from The Grid's table, so we got to watch Matt Rush shirtless signing autographs and posing for pictures most of the afternoon. I felt so uncouth ogling a pornstar and trying to be a respectable representative of the Catholic Diocese of Cleveland...

"The Stonewall Democrats had the booth next to The Grid, and they had some mighty fine shirtless guys sitting at their table, too. After we took down our table at the pride festival, seven of us from the Catholic group went out to dinner...We also had the same waiter that we had last time...the cute one with attitude."

The author of that revealing letter is the apparent friend of Brian Halderman, a longtime gay activist of the Diocese of Cleveland who recently announced that he is joining the Society of Mary (Marianists) in Dayton.

In another Internet chat thread sent to FTM by a Cleveland reader, Halderman revealed that while a parishioner at Ascension Church (a church plagued by a number of predator priests), he was a chatechist involved in the sacramental preparation of second graders.

Reader, does all this help you understand what bishops such as Clark and Hubbard and Pilla mean by the "lay-run church.

You can contact the diocese of Cleveland toll free at 1-800-869-6525 or by e-mailing:

info@dioceseofcleveland.org

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The official logo for the Diocese of Cleveland Gay and Lesbian Ministry [Warning: This is not a joke]:

Go see for yourself:

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/mission/index.htm

The official logo for the Diocese of Cleveland Gay and Lesbian Ministry

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The following exchange appeared in an article on a gay convicted priest here in Cleveland. [Note: Burkhart is a gay detective and McBride is the gay priest]: Burkhart and McBride dined on crab cakes and chatted lightly. After dinner, McBride turned the conversation to the recent Catholic Church scandal. He hoped that, when it was all over, the church would recognize that priests are sexual beings too -- and that some are gay. "Back in the 1960s, would you have ever come to a place like this?" Burkhart asked. "I mean, in this town, where you were working?" "Probably not, no," McBride said. "Realistically, in 1960, no." "And in certain places it looks like the seminary on Saturday night now," Burkhart joked. "Yeah, that really is how it is," McBride said. They compared notes on seeing clergy in gay bars. Then Burkhart stammered as he asked McBride a personal question: "So, whenever you had sex . . . were you bound to go to confession and confess it before you said Mass, or . . .?" "Well, you were supposed to, yes," McBride said. "Do you think all these priests do?" "No," McBride said. "I think they changed their minds and decided it's not a sin." The full article can be found at this link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/992919/posts

[hosepipe]

[ "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and he cast into the sea, than he should offend one these little ones" (Luke 2:17). ]

-or-
"It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and he transferred to another diocese, than he should offend one these little ones" (Luke 2:17)...

[SampleMan]

And in other news, "Devil Hates God".

[NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961]

* The Gay Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation "is calling on the nation's media to examine Ratzinger's documented rhetoric and writings related to gays and lesbians ... In documents dating back to the 1980's, Ratzinger has branded gays and lesbians as 'objectively disordered' and being gay as a 'moral disorder' requiring a 'conversion from evil.' He has accused gay and lesbian parents of 'doing violence to their children' and he has denounced laws protecting same-sex couples and families as 'the approval or legalization of evil.'"

These people, the gay-activist, are the scum of society. One day my friends, one day, they'll get what is coming to them.

[Calpernia]

BUMPING Pope Benedict XVI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fester Chugabrew]

"Sodomy Lobby" has a nice ring to it. "Sodomy Lobotomy" sounds even better. Either way, the practice is abominable and should not be sanctioned by any civil society. OTOH, I don't go out of my way to pester those who indulge in unnatural propensities. If they want to pester civil society in order to make their perversion the norm they'd best be ready for a swift kick in the posterior with razor boots.

[GipperGal]

OMG! I can't believe this! Why is this not stopped immediately? Who the hell is in charge of the Diocese of Cleveland? This is outrageous.

[ZULU]

My only problem with that statement is its too tolerant.
Homosexuality is an aberrant depraived practise contrary to nature.

The homosexual activist lobby is intent upon disseminating their perversions and forcing society to accept their sickness as normal.

Someday science will discover a cure for homosexuality.

[GipperGal]

And in other news, "Devil Hates God".

LOL!

[GipperGal]

one day, they'll get what is coming to them.

They already have. It's called AIDS.

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

One is known by his enemies. Or rather, those who choose to become enemies. The new Pope Benedict is in good company with enemies like these. If they liked him, it would be very bad news.

Let me know if you want on/off this pinglist. It be busy, but so am I, and I am not pinging out quite as many as I could...

More on the way.

[Diago]

Bishop Pilla is the bishop of Cleveland.

You can send an e-mail here:

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/contact_us/index.htm


and here:

Information on the home page of the Official Web Site of the Cleveland Catholic Diocese comes from selected subsidiary pages and key individuals.

To get information into the News section, contact Robert Tayek rtayek@dioceseofcleveland.com Director of Media and Communications.



To get information into all other sections, contact Robert Polomsky rpolomsky@dioceseofcleveland.org.



To get information into the Official Diocesan Calendar, goto www.dioceseofcleveland.org/officialcalendar
and submit an entry.



Other requests should be sent to info@dioceseofcleveland.org
Stories and events are selected from these pages for inclusion on the front page based on general appeal, timeliness, and available space.

[Neville72]

Memo to the fudge-packer lobby.

Leviticus 18:22. God is laying down the moral laws to Moses and says:"you(man) shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination."

[TAdams8591]

"The "Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbian And Gays (PFLAG) stated that the new pope does not represent a hopeful vision of the future ..."

Meaning Pope Benedict does not represent a hopeful vision for their (gays) future.

It's all about them. They will excoriate anyone who tells gays they are wrong.

[GipperGal]

Whoa! Wait a minute. I just clicked on the first link you mentioned. And then clicked on this sublink from that same site:

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/the_church/index.htm

They link directly to the Catechism and even to the statements on homosexuality made by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1975. Is it possible that this organization in the Diocese of Cleveland is just counseling gays to live chastely and celibately in accordance with the Catechism? If that's what they're doing, I don't have a problem with them.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I am sincerely interested in what's going on here.

[Diago]

No, GipperGal, the Diocese of Cleveland, despite its footnote to the catachism, actively promotes homosexuality:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/762432/posts


The following appeared in "The Wanderer's" from the mail section. (This does not appear on the website, I had to type it in):

In Cleveland, which has been racked with the most damaging sex abuse scandals outside of Boston and Los Angeles, diocesan officials, including Bishop Anthony Pilla, maintain a stiff upper lip as some homosexual activists in the chancery and parishes continue to transform parishes into gay-friendly communities. Consider:

The Diocese of Cleveland's official web site (www.dioceseofcleveland.com) greets the viewer with a rainbow flag, and gay activists at the diocese's Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry (GLFM) office are way out and way proud.

One member of the GLFM recorded his experience on an area gay web site of his participation in the Cleveland Gay Pride Parade, informing, "The catholic group had a very nice sized contingent. There were a whole ton of other religious groups as well...Oh, did I mention that I am in the same video as a pornstar?!...Our table was almost across from The Grid's table, so we got to watch Matt Rush shirtless signing autographs and posing for pictures most of the afternoon. I felt so uncouth ogling a pornstar and trying to be a respectable representative of the Catholic Diocese of Cleveland...

"The Stonewall Democrats had the booth next to The Grid, and they had some mighty fine shirtless guys sitting at their table, too. After we took down our table at the pride festival, seven of us from the Catholic group went out to dinner...We also had the same waiter that we had last time...the cute one with attitude."

The author of that revealing letter is the apparent friend of Brian Halderman, a longtime gay activist of the Diocese of Cleveland who recently announced that he is joining the Society of Mary (Marianists) in Dayton.

In another Internet chat thread sent to FTM by a Cleveland reader, Halderman revealed that while a parishioner at Ascension Church (a church plagued by a number of predator priests), he was a chatechist involved in the sacramental preparation of second graders.

Reader, does all this help you understand what bishops such as Clark and Hubbard and Pilla mean by the "lay-run church.

You can contact the diocese of Cleveland toll free at 1-800-869-6525 or by e-mailing:

info@dioceseofcleveland.org

[Diago]

The below was also posted some time ago. Follow the link for even more:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/914519/posts

The following email has been flying around the Cleveland area since this weekend. It appears that the Diocesan contact for a recent Cleveland Diocese Gay and Lesbian Retreat is also the contact for the Egg Moon Farm, a lesbian compound described at Lesbian.com as "Land Dykes."

Here you go:

If you thought the Cleveland Diocese Gay and Lesbian group was out of control before, you will not believe this one. The gay group at the diocese, futurechurch, and those who hate the church remain one big incestuous mess. I apologize in advance for the disturbing nature of this e-mail, but before it is stopped it must be exposed. Please forward it to others who care about our Catholic Faith.

The Gay community has it easy in Cleveland. If you want to attend a Gay and Lesbian Day of Prayer sponsored by the Cleveland Diocese, the diocesan website will direct you to contact Judy.

If you want to attend a Land Dyke compound ( http://www.lesbian.com/landdykes/landdykes_intro.html ) at the Egg Moon Farm, you can simply call the same Judy.

Judy describes the Egg Moon Farm as follows on her homepage: http://my.en.com/~judb/ (also note the futrechurch link on her website) :

I am very involved in my community and a participate in just about every kind of group imaginable. Kimbilio Farm and the womyn's land collective, Egg Moon Farm are my favorite places and where I hang out with my favorite womyn. Egg Moon Farm has been a real adventure, moving from a funky cow pasture infested with poison ivy and thorn bushes to a comfy campground within a few years . This a testament to the hard working and dedicated womyn who believe that the ideal of community without hierarchy is possible. It has been great fun creating this place, and it even has a cozy camping cabin. I was deeply touched when a good friend made a sign for a particular corner of the collective was named for me. Camp Jud' was my first step into transforming some uninviting outdoor space into a place where we could cook food, enjoy meals and sit under the protection of a tarp to tell stories, share our lives and discuss the state of our universe. Even though we now have a first class picnic pavilion and kitchen with all the amenities, the sign remains and Camp Jud' is still a place for wimmin to gather for any kind of chores and great conversation.

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The Following is From the Egg Moon Farm Website:

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http://www.valkyrie.net/~kimbilio/emf.html

The Land Collective Egg Moon Farm

The story so far...of our dream of a place in Holmes County, Ohio where women can work and play and build community.

MISSION STATEMENT...The Land Collective maintains rural land to create community without hierarchy and to create a space which is accessible to all women and where each woman is empowered and valued.

Who We Are

We are about 50 women, mostly lesbians, all woman-identified, who fromed a collective in 1995 to purchase land in Holmes County, Ohio. We range in age from 20 to 70+; most of us live around Cleveland. We are diverse across race and class; however, most of the women at meetings are middle class and euro-american. We want to be more inclusive and are working to get there. About the only thing we all have in common is that we believe in miracles - we somehow gathered enough women, money and hope to buy a chunk of land. We believe that we are limited only by our imaginations.

Values We Share

We strive for open decision-making without hierarchy, using various forms of consensus process and committee work. We feel we are custodians of land for women-not just for collective women. We are strongly committed to eliminating racism, classism, and other forms of oppression withinthe group and as they affect women's access to this land.

From the beginning, we have held the collective open for any woman willing to make a commitment to the land and the group. This commitment can take any form - perhaps contributing skills, tools, work shifts, monthly payments, or a lump sum payment toward a building project.

Our primary goal is to create safe, nurturing space for women. Each of us has a different vision of what that will be. We question the fear of scarcity, assuming that there are love, land, and resources enough to meet every collective woman's needs.

Things We've Done So Far

In October 1995, we bought 85 acres of farmland off TR 501, across from Kimbilio Farm, an established womens land community. We've planted trees, camped, put up a small shed, built a picnic palace, built a small cabin for women who aren't into camping, made a wildflower field, held successful womens festivals, LandFest 97,98, 99, 00 and leased land to a neighbor for organic farming. Several of us have also built tent platforms. We've held regular meetings, working through decisions on everything from getting liability insurance to planning anniversary celebrations.

Challenges We Face

In the rush to buy the land and make the payments, some important things got set aside. We want to make a land trust or non-profit legal structure to hold all or part of the land. Each season, new issues come up:will we lease land for farming this year? Will we allow hunting on the land? How will we get some space mowed for camping? And, we have big and fabulous ideas in the works. We see gardens, and gatherings, and workshops, and artisans, and space for spirituality, and...

Why We Need You

Every day, at every meeting, during every visit to the land, we are inventing women's community. It is wonderful, difficult, invigorating, draining, important work. We are asking for your input, your vision, your wisdom, your time, your experiences, your energy, your skills - yourself. Call one of the women below and talk. Come to a collective meeting or check out a committee project. Join us for a work day on the land. You are limited only by your imagination.

For more information call Sally at 216-932-0977 or Judy at 216-227-1243 or you can email at EggMoonFarm@hotmail.com

Egg Moon Farm - P.O. Box 18771 - Cleveland Heights, OH 44118-0771

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The Following is From the Diocese of Cleveland Website:

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http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/events/index.htm

The Gay and Lesbian Catholic Community’s

Lenten Day of Prayer

Saturday, March 22, 2003, 8:00 am to 7 pm

$10.00 per person

Morning Coffee and Donuts

Lunch and Dinner Provided

If you are unable to be with us for the entire day,

join us at 4:30 PM for Mass followed by dinner.

For reservations call: Denis at 216-939-8198; Judy at

216-227-1243; or Paula at 216-696-6525 Ext. 3500

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Advent Prayer Service 2nd Sunday of Advent, 2003 East side Parish >More Information Coming Soon<

Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry - Catholic Diocese of Cleveland

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[XR7]

The logo looks like a red flying demon.
How appropriate.

[GipperGal]

Creepy stuff. I'm sincerely sorry to learn that you are right and I am wrong. I really did want to believe that this stuff was not going on.

You know, Diago, I'm wondering if they put the Catechism links and the somewhat vague wording on their website to fool people like me whose first instinct is to assume the best (i.e. "the Church wouldn't sanction a gay organization advocating something which is obviously in direct opposition to the Church's teachings. This must be an outreach program to counsel people who struggle with this and want to live according to the Church's teachings.") You see what I mean? Maybe that's why they get away with this. They've infested themselves within the Church pretending to be something innocuous. What are your thoughts on this?

[ArrogantBustard]

We had hoped for a pastor and shepherd, instead we get a doctrinal enforcer."

Grow up, morons! Enforcing doctrine is part of a pastor and shepherd's job. He does you no favours by letting you wander off into error.

[ArrogantBustard]

R1 Alert!

[goldstategop]

You cannot make good that which is bad. You cannot make an omlet without eggs. Likewise among human beings, sexuality has a natural correspondence and among other things, a basic purpose of the sexual act is procreation. Homosexuals cannot conceive. So, since they deny the impulse that brings life into being, their conduct is insufficient in both a human as well as a moral dimension. For this reason, no religion can grant moral approval to homosexuality and all that it means for the well-being of Man in the aspects just mentioned.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[Aussie Dasher]

Let's pray there IS a "battle plan for Catholic politicians".

Not that it will help some: the most appalling pollies are often those who claim to be "Catholic". I can't see Kennedy or Kerry embracing such a plan in a hurry.

[little jeremiah]

I'm ignorant. What is an R1 alert?

[Stonedog]

Fortunately, we all have less than a hundred years to suffer in this world, and then Judgement.

I appreciate the info... Alarmingly, no one else I talk to has access to the date for The End of the World.

[Centurion2000]

"We remind our fellow Catholics that we are the Church ... The Rainbow Sash Movement will continue to call for openness, toleration and inclusion in the Church."

You people are abominations. How any Catholic Church could have them in it without being desecrated is beyond me.

[GipperGal]

Fortunately, we all have less than a hundred years to suffer in this world, and then Judgement.

My goodness, aren't you the optimist! LOL! Did someone forget to take their prozac this morning?

[GipperGal]

What is an R1 alert?

Ditto that question!

[IrishRainy]

How do YOU know who Mahoney voted for?

[GipperGal]

How do YOU know he's not Mahoney himself?

Just kidding... :)

[Prophet in the wilderness]

This sounds just like a JIM JONES cult, but, it's a feminist Jim Jones cult.
Were is their so called liberal " tolerance " belief of non discrimination in not discriminating against men ?
Just goes to prove and show, that the liberals/fems/gays are not really for equality and equal rights for everyone.
They want special rights for their own group, and they want to have a world of domination over men, plan and simple.
This is nothing but a brainwashing indoctrination cult to brainwash and to indoctrinate women to believe in a society without men.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Yes.. and they deceive people with the guise of using a dove in their logo into thinking that their movement is a gift from GOD.
God does not approve of their perversion of the relationship between men and women.
Feminism and homosexuality is purely demonic and satanic.
Feminism and the homosexuals will be at the forefront of the force and movement to usher in the anti-Christ.
The feminist and the homosexuals are the pawns of the devil and the anti-christ.

[Tantumergo]

"What is an R1 alert?"

This refers to "Rule 1." which derives from a Monty Python sketch which I am sure Mr. Tetzel will be able to link you to if you're interested.

Rule 1: No pooftahs!

;)

[add925]

Oh, sh*t, another reason to leave Cleveland.....other than the weather.

(temporarily exiled in Cleveland myself)

[ArrogantBustard]

Prezactly ... I switched from "Rule One Alert" to simply "R1" to avoid screwing up "google".

I googled < rule one python > (or some such) to find a script of the "Bruces" sketch, and got 'way too many references to my own posts on FR.

[biblewonk]

"Sodomy lobby"

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

AKA. The Butthole surfers.

[starfish923]

My only problem with that statement is its too tolerant. Homosexuality is an aberrant depraived practise contrary to nature. The homosexual activist lobby is intent upon disseminating their perversions and forcing society to accept their sickness as normal. Someday science will discover a cure for homosexuality.

DNA research will probably come up the genes or sets of genes that predict homosexuality, especially in males.

After that, there will be abortion demands for "queer babies." You might see the "gay libs" and anti-abortionists at the same rally someday. "Don't kill our queer babies." Wouldn't that be a sick sight?

Most homosexuals I know would not have chosen homosexuality. It's a curse for them. I think that's why so many take drugs and drink heavily.

The drive to make homosexuality normal is the perversion, in my mind. Their abnormality is just that, an abnormality of nature, like being born blind. Homosexuals have been around forever. They just coped as best they could with what they had. They served in the military, politics and in the community, many with distinction. It's today's climate of perversion and drive for normalization that is so poison.

[dangus]

R5 AND R7!

No POOFTERS!

[XR7]

[HighlyOpinionated]

Most homosexuals I know would not have chosen homosexuality.

But they DID choose. Sexual Orientation is choice. A person chooses which or what behaviors he or she will follow. Genetics decides if you're male or female. SIN enters the photo and you get aberrations of nature. Children born with both gender reproductive parts. "But it was not this way in the beginning."

Call it what you will. What a person does with his or her life is CHOICE. Everything is a choice. Count up all the choices you have in the next fifteen minutes. Choice. I choose to sit in front of the computer. I choose to type an answer to a thread on FR. I choose to pick up my drink and I choose NOT to spill it on the keyboard. I choose to drink three swallows of tea, then I choose to place the glass frighteningly close to the edge of the computer desk. I choose to turn swiftly to see the dog at my feet and in so doing, I knock the glass of tea onto the carpet. I CHOSE to place that glass of tea "frighteningly close" to the edge of the desk and I CHOSE to tempt fate (gravity and my own innate clumsiness) when I placed that glass there. It wasn't really an "accident of nature" it was a CHOICE. Because I could have chosen to place the glass on the side table away from the computer.

Orientation and what the individual does with it is a choice. We (the public) have allowed everything to become sexual in nature. One advertisement for a male sexual enhancer says: Sex is an important part of every relationship. THAT is a LIE straight from he!!. SEX has NOTHING to do with EVERY relationship. It's only a PART of the marital relationship. But society has convinced us that "SEX" is an important part of EVERY relationship.

BalderDash. "It was not so in the beginning."

G*d created male and female. He created them both. Two. Two separate genders. And then He went so far as to give them guidelines for a healthy and productive life.

http://www.drbo.org for a translation of the first translation from Hebrew and Greek into Latin.

We have conditioned ourselves to think that nature has decreed what in reality are OUR CHOICES in given situations. It might be harder for one person to overcome his own conditioning and conditioned responses because his conscience is not fully formed than it would be for another person who has a better formed conscience (knowledge of G*d's laws and commands). Look at two examples: Mother Teresa of Calcutta and Charles Manson. Who has the highly formed conscience? Who has conditioned himself with choices that have essentially killed what little conscience he may have had? CHOICES. That's all it boils down to. One chose G*d's way. One chose the 'other' way. CHOICE.

Life is a choice. Choose Life.

[starfish923]

Holosexuality is not a choice. Their lifestyle is.