Posted on 04/22/2005 7:10:56 PM PDT by CHARLITE
It’s no coincidence that Jane Fonda’s new book, My Life So Far, precedes the release of her new movie Monster-in-Law. That’s just good old-fashioned Hollywood promotion; however, something went wrong on the way to Larry King’s forum – she did not apologize for her activities in Vietnam. Yes, her publicity blitz expresses regrets, but there is no heartfelt apology. When the avuncular interviewer actually asked a challenging question about her nefarious goings on it was clear Jane hadn’t rehearsed her lines – here’s her sincere response: “I’m sorry I was photographed sitting on an anti-aircraft gun.” Wow, her arrogance and failure to comprehend, over thirty years later, her reprehensible acts provoked me into adding to the already voluminous criticisms of her. I’d rather not, frankly, but it is she who has flung herself upon our sensibilities. I really don’t care for her new book and would rather a weekend with my “Monster-In-Laws” than to read that psychobabble about how she twisted herself into a pretzel to satisfy the men in her life. Nevertheless, that’s just me, and if her new book and movie do well then congratulations to her. However, having again thrust herself into the public spotlight by desperately seeking our approval she must realize that her activist past opens her up to a review that goes beyond her artistic endeavors.
So, what does Hanoi Jane have to apologize for? Well, there is much more than the enemy gun fiasco. There’s her condemnation of our soldiers; she substituted for “Hanoi Hannah” on radio Hanoi; and, compared President Nixon to Hitler. Now, we have her on newly discovered tapes accusing our troops of genocide. Anti-G.I. Jane: does your newly crafted Christian persona have the heart to apologize for these things? I have no doubt, neither would I presume, about the sincerity of your faith, so it must be the psychics you visit whose counsel outweighs the obvious Christian thing to do – apologize wholeheartedly.
Let’s just focus on the one thing anti-G.I. Jane can’t deny because it was photographed and archived: her frolicsome cavorting with the enemy – if that’s not aiding and abetting then nothing is. She virtually embraced an anti-aircraft gun that may well have shot down some of our heroic pilots. Jane, you fraternized with the enemy in their back yard; you gave them propaganda and emboldened them. I’m no lawyer, but having just re-read our great Constitution I’m convinced you committed treason.
Don’t worry; you’ll not be tried. We don’t want to reopen old wounds but just want you to help heal some with a sincere apology. Unfortunately, well into your “third act,” as you put it, it appears all you can do is regret having been caught. Your strained verbal gymnastics to express regret instead of sorrow shows that the men in your life must have been successful in twisting you into a pretzel. Your efforts are more contorted than the proverbial bank robber who apologized for being caught.
I don’t care about the misguided actors who admire Fidel Castro, or the group who having already acquired their wealth suddenly find it chic to espouse the virtues of socialism. However, when Hanoi Jane practically throws herself at our mercy then our response must go beyond her artistic talents and consider her radical activism. Hopefully, some day our critique of her “militant act” will be able to acknowledge her sincere apology and forgive her for conspiring with the enemy. Get your lines right, Jane, and remember all the scenes, not just the infamous gun embrace.
Comments: nwilliams211@comcast.net
Jane Fonda Sucks!
Jane...you ignorant slut...
I wish she would immigrate to Syria or China. Hanoi Jane does not belong to America.
The Tomahawk Chop with Ted and Jane was particularly disgusting to watch!
In desperation a few of our soldiers risked secretly passing messages to fonda hoping this "fellow American" would help them.... fonda took these messages and promptly handed them over to the soldier's captors!
No, I do not forgive jane fonda. I want her arrested and tried as the traitor she is!
Better send her to live in her communist paradise right there in N. Vietnam, where she had such a ball 35 years ago. She could put that rice-picking hat back on and start pulling up rice shoots for the rest of her days, since she loved it so much.
Who could ever forget that speech that she gave on some liberal campus (Michigan?) when she said, "If you knew what Communism IS you would get down on your knees and pray that we will become Communist!"
I suggest that we insist that she get down on her knees in rice paddies in the country of her original choice....and stay there!
At least we know that there is one excellent use for tobacco juice!
First is a cut and paste from a transcript of the Barbara Walter's interview.
Barbara Walters: "There are still people who . . . I guess feel you have never apologized. Would you like to just say something to them now?"
Jane Fonda:"Well . . . it's not . . . I would like to say something not just to . . . the Vietnam veterans . . . in New England . . . but . . . to . . . to men who were in Vietnam who . . . who I hurt . . . or who's pain I caused to . . . deepen because of things I said . . . or did . . . I . . . I feel that I owe them an apology . . . my intentions were never to hurt them . . . or to make their situation worse, it was . . . it was the contrary . . . I was trying to help end the war . . . but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I . . . and I am very sorry . . . that I hurt them . . . and I want to apologize to them and to their families . . . ."
She said something similiar on an A&E Biography show I saw this month but I couldn't find a transcript of that. Sorry.
And this from Oprah Winfrey's "O" Magazine:
Jane Fonda: "I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft carrier, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless."
Without doubt she "gave aid and comfort to the enemy" and was a traitor to her country. An apology does not erase that as a fact. It should however IMO, alter our reaction to it.
A person who nurtures hate in their heart hurts themselves far more than the one they hate.
You have a point. However, for those of us who lived through that nightmare, and who vividly remember the film footage of this woman cavorting with our enemies, clapping her hands gleefully like a child while looking around at the stupid N. Vietnamese soldiers who were lavishing attention on her........those memories are as fresh for us as though they were current.
As the old saying goes, "I can forgive, but I can never forget." Memories of great pain are like mental tattoos.
Status: Multiple:
During a 1972 trip to North Vietnam, Jane Fonda propagandized on behalf of the North Vietnamese government, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely and condemned U.S. soldiers as "war criminals" and later denounced them as liars for claiming they had been tortured: True.
Jane Fonda handed over to their captors the slips of paper POWs pressed upon her: False.
You can read the details and lots more at http://www.snopes.com (The Urban Legends fact checking website)
Frankly, after hearing and reading about her antiwar activities, her multiple marriages, her "threesomes", etc, I think she's lead a pretty miserable life so far. Hopefully, her conversion to Christianity is sincere (and it just may be since she was so upset when the minister of the Church she was attending when he went public that she was taking Bible classes).
I agree she could (and should) do a lot more to try to make amends to our vets.
I agree that Jane Fonda should have been charged with treason. There is no doubt that she gave "aid and comfort to the enemy". But that wasn't going to happen given the political climate in the country at the time.
And as for being "unforgiveable".....I'm gonna sound really "preachy" here but please bear with me:
How can we expect the Supreme Judge to forgive us of OUR sins "forgive us of our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" if we are unwilling to forgive others.
If you're not a Christian then I guess that doesn't apply.
There is controversy about the snopes refutation of this "legend." I watched Colonel David Hunt's interview on O'Reilly last night (Thursday). He spent well over half of his alloted time on the air, repeating that one story. He said it over and over again.....that the "one act" which none of his comrades can ever forgive, is that note passing incident. Now, I'd be inclined to take Colonel Hunt's word for the "truth of the matter," but in all honesty, I wasn't right there, on the ground, when the incident is supposed to have occurred.
Die lady. Just...die already. Nobody loves you; nobody likes you. Nobody ever did. It's a shame it was your father that went first when it could've been you.
The POW (Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan) who the story was attributed to disavows it. I would think there would be other POW's (many in fact) who could verify it if it were indeed true.
Well, then, I wonder why Colonel Hunt was so adamant about it. It is still an "unsolved mystery" in my mind. That story had to come from somewhere, and I can't quite imagine Colonel Hunt, who is a regular guest on Fox, and actually a Fox News analyst, telling all about it, if it's bogus. Could be that his own sources are just passing along an untrue urban legend, but that would then say that Hunt is loose with his fact-checking procedures.
Can you just imagine how old Henry Fonda felt during that time in history? DId he ever talk about it?
I don't know the answer to that.
TruthOrFiction.com also contacted Mike McGrath, President of NAM-POWs, who says the Larry Carrigan events never happened either. He says Carrigan calls the story a "hoax" and does not want to be associated with it. McGrath also says that some versions of the email include an account from a Dave Hoffman and that his story is true. Hoffman says he was tortured (hung by a broken arm) until he agreed to go before Jane Fonda. He was among a small group who witnessed one of her radio broadcasts for Hanoi.
I have a personal friend that was a "guest" in the Hanoi Hilton for the last 45 days before their release-- he detests her so much he refuses to watch any movies with her in them, whether they're free or not. That's good enough for me. I'm a vet too (though not old enough for Vietnam), and so maybe that makes me more sympathetic.
If any of you youngsters out there don't understand why she's such a lightning rod for criticism, corner a Vietnam vet sometime and ask them what those days were like.
I actually heard her say on one of the book tour interviews that her activities "hurt her father very deeply."
Supposedly, that "On Golden Pond" movie was supposed to be a kind of act of reconciliation on her part, just before Henry died. If I'd done something like that to my father, I would be curled up in a hole somewhere for the rest of my life, but she's walzing around making money on a screw ball book, which would be of no significance whatsoever, if her name weren't Fonda! That also irritates me.
Jane Who?
FYI: There is another thread on FR tonight titled: Still Not Fonda Jane. Before you claim something is false based snopes, you may want to check this out.
BEFORE anyone posts that SNOPES disclaimer, just for consideration, snopes.com is part of George Soros opennetinitiative.net (ONI Web) project funded by Soros Foundation's Open Society Institute. See this post for other site that are funded in his ONI Web Project. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1388245/posts?page=11#11
She's lucky it was just tobacco juice INSTEAD of the traditional punishment for traitors.
If Jane Fonda and Saddam Hussein were both drowning and you had only one chance at getting a life preserver to either one of them. Would you..
A. Have spaghetti for Dinner.
B. Go out to a good movie.
C. Take a nap.
Ted's popping off about Christianity also has cost him - and unless he gets straightened out before he dies, he will really pay for his nastiness.
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Also been doing some research on The OpenNet Initiative.
From their website: "The Open Net Initiative is a partnership between the Citizen Lab at the Munk Centre for International Studies, University of Toronto, the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard Law School, and the Advanced Network Research Group at the Cambridge Security Programme at Cambridge University."
Could find no mention of George Soros. Doesn't appear to be HIS organization.
Do you have sources to the contrary?
Plus, how cynical to put forth phony apologies, just to hype your new movie and revive your career as an actress. Which is what this all about.
Hang 'em High!
John Kerry says he is a Christian, but don't tell him what God says on any subject!
Jane Fonda is a ultra-liberal period! Abortion Supporter, Gay Marriage advocate, Anti-Military, America hating BITCH!!
She's a pathetic little nobody with no life plain and simple. Don't hate her PITY her.
"Well, then, I wonder why Colonel Hunt was so adamant about it. It is still an "unsolved mystery" in my mind. That story had to come from somewhere, and I can't quite imagine Colonel Hunt, who is a regular guest on Fox, and actually a Fox News analyst, telling all about it, if it's bogus."
Colonel Hunt is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. If Fonda, who is scum, did this, it would not be hard for someone to site a source. No has produced one yet here.
Don't believe everything you hear on Fox News, and I would cite you to Andrew McCarthy's NRO devastation of Judge Napolitano's views of the Patriot Act.
She deserves what she is getting.
Well the link didn't work but here is what I wanted to put on here.And Nixon couldn't wind down the war Jane.Because of you and the likes of Kerry.
Transcript of Jane Fonda's radio address which she had broadcast in North Vietnam. This transcription, dated August 22, 1972 was made from her Hotel Especen broadcast in Hanoi at 7:11 p.m.
The following was submitted in the U.S. Congress House Committee on Internal Security, Travel to Hostile Areas. [HR16742, 19-25 September 1972, page 761]
http://www.3rdmarines.net/Vietnam_jane_fonda_Hanoi_radio.htm
Jane fonda's radio broadcast from North Vietnam to our troops.
Jane Fonda will never, ever understand.
Better yet, she should be sent to Viet Nam and stay there for life. She's worse than Tokyo Rose by far as she actually caused the death and torture of POWs.
Her belief is downright strange, and has zero correlation to Christianity. So, don't buy into the flase rumor or claim that she's a Christian. She ain't.
flase = false
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