Posted on 04/20/2005 6:36:50 AM PDT by finnman69
Theorists bent on exposing falsehoods in The 9/11 Commission Report maintain the attacks were a conspiracy led by the Bush administration, as UW-Madison students heard Monday at an event sponsored by the Muslim Jewish Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth.
The event, broadcast on C-SPAN, featured Christian theologist David Griffin, Ph.D, and his interpretations of the alleged Sept. 11 conspiracy theory.
Griffin's speech addressed his own compiled evidence that suggests the attacks were not only known about by the United States government and military, but orchestrated in order to expand an "American empire" allegedly based on oil and power.
"Immediately after the attacks, the Bush administration kept referring to the attacks as an opportunity," Griffin said, specifically noting that U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld referred to the attacks as "an opportunity to re-create the world."
Griffin explores these ideas and more in his two books about a Sept. 11 conspiracy theory, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11" and "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions Compile the Evidence for Bush Administration Complicity in 9/11."
"The U.S. Military has the best radar systems in the world," Griffin said. "They boast that they don't miss anything in North American airspace."
Given that capability, according to Griffin, the notion that an American Airlines Flight 77 flew toward the Pentagon undetected for 40 minutes or more is implausible.
There is also little evidence of the Boeing 757 that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon; ensuing damage seemed to be caused by a smaller plane, probably a military fighter, according to Griffin.
Similar evidence of conspiracy lay in the ruins of the World Trade Center, Griffin said. The way the buildings collapsed suggests there were explosives placed throughout, where no foreign terrorists could possibly gain access.
"No high-rise buildings, before or after 9/11, have been known to collapse by fire," Griffin said.
The buildings fell straight down and at virtually free-fall speed, according to Griffin. All of the concrete pulverized into fine dust, an occurrence that suggests explosives and not fires aided the buildings' falls.
"I definitely endorse his theory," UW-Madison alum Ryan Ashton said, who read Griffin's first book. "His view is very conservative based on the evidence; he doesn't conclude more than he has support for."
Other audience members agreed.
"I found that his reasoning is quite consistent," UW-Madison senior Greg Jakubczak said. "He didn't exceed his boundaries."
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15527_Conspiracy_Madness_of_the_Day&only=yes
I would recommend he read the reports here:
Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the WTC Disaster(must bookmark and read)
You see all kinds of crap when you have your head up your butt like these conspiracy idiots do.
Conspirazoids piss me off.
Well, if UW-Madison alum Ryan Ashton endorses it, you know it must be true.
Your title say's "Theologist", where your text says "Theorists" ... please decide.
One problem with pulling off a conspiracy that large is the number of people that would be required to remain silent.
"Theologist"?
The loonies in Madison are at it again. Everything is Bush's fault. Isn't it amazing how a supposed moron such as Bush is able to pull off all these nefarious plans and fool everybody but the leftwing moonbats.
why do I live in the land of these wackjobs bump.
Oh no, not this **** again!
Maybe it means someone who thinks he kind of gets the "gist" of theology.
"why do I live in the land of these wackjobs bump."
Because killing them is just plain wrong.
Yeah, these are the folks who probably believe that Hillary didn't know about Monica too. WINGNUT LEFTISTS WILL DO ANYTHING TO BLAME BUSH FOR EVERYTHING!
No no no, David Griffin has it all wrong.
The Leprechans did it.
(rollseyes, shakes head and ponders the utter insipidness of some Ph.D's)
Bush=Gumpiavelli
Im'm sure this is true. You know we really did'nt land on the moon either.
he is right...a building wouldnt fall down like that from fire alone..MAYBE IT WAS THE THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF JET FUEL OR THE TONS OF STEEL THAT SLAMMED INTO THE TOWERS...what an idiot!!
Ok, two points regarding the following statement:
1. Most of the concrete wasn't pulverized, hence the months long process of REMOVING concrete from ground zero.
2. There was a lot of pulverizing going on, but that usually happens when parts of a building fall over 1,000 feet straight down. We saw this stuff enveloping much of lower manhattan.
"All of the concrete pulverized into fine dust, an occurrence that suggests explosives and not fires aided the buildings' falls."
I can only say “AMEN” to that. Additionally, not only would all of those people have to remain silent, but they would have to go along with the killing of thousands of innocents. I’m waiting for the special to be broadcast on A&E on this conspiracy. . . anything to sell advertising time.
"There is also little evidence of the Boeing 757 that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon; ensuing damage seemed to be caused by a smaller plane, probably a military fighter, according to Griffin".
Oh yeah...where's Barbara Olsen then? Is she hiding out somewhere? David Griffin, you are a Moonbat!
I wish they wouldn't attach Christian to these whack jobs....and shouldn't it read Theologian.
Kerry and Clinton did it. They had 8 years to prepare.
Where are the trustees and the public officials who are supposed to be accountable for the "education" of the children with whom they are entrusted?
Does "free speech" require a public supplied megaphone to every lunatic? I don't think so.
Notice the moniker of the organization that supplied the speaker. Probably a bunch of leftists, composed of Pope hating Catholics, Israel hating Jewish persons and others who get their talking points at the local Wahabi Mosque.
hitt'n more of that B.C. bud I see....
Thanks for finding a raisin in the elephant poop after the parade has passed.
Just ignore the surveillance video that shows the 757 striking the Pentagon. It's a fake anyway. < / sarcasm>
HUGE waste of time are conspiracy efforts like these.
People who believe this stuff will continue to believe it no matter how much evidence is supplied to the contrary.
People who disbelieve this stuff will continue to believe the Administration's story no matter how much evidence is supplied to the contrary.
You could show these people Pentagon videos proving terrorism over & over but they won't buy it.
You could show videos of Bush himself telling Cheney to not protect the DC airspace on 9/11 and Bush supporters simply won't buy it.
It's a total waste of time.
No, it was Fight Club.
screwball and bonehead are fine but would'nt meadow muffin be more direct?
The entire explosives theory is scary laughable and could only be believed by a lunatic.
Videos and photos have clearly shown the internal damage done by the airplanes and subsequent fires to the columns and floor decks. They have demonstrated the buckling of the exterior columns prior to collapse, and videos do in fact show that the two towers failed in a very different manner due to the different impact areas of the aircraft. The north tower suffered far more damage to the internal columns at the core (1st aircraft collided perpendicular to the center of a building elevation straoght at the core), videos have shown that the interior core area of the top of the building collapsed first, before pulling down the exterior tube structure of the building. The south tower was hit towards a corner and a larger area of perimeter columns, floor decks, etc were destroyed but the core was relatively undamaged. Videos have shown the exterior columns buckled and collapsed first, actually leaving the interior core of the building standing by itself for a few seconds.
At WTC7 there is quite a bit of photographic and video evidence of the massive fires as well as impact damage from the tower collapses(One roof photo shows a damaged parapet).
Read the reports here:
Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the WTC Disaster(must bookmark and read)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1383862/posts
http://wtc.nist.gov/
aw shucks.
Did you ever really describe in detail what you saw that day? Many here would be fascinated.
Pictures of what? There is only one video of the first WTC impact and it was caught by pure chance. There was little left of the aircraft after the impact to photgraph.
Heads in the sand idiots on parade. My first laugh this morning...well except for that guy spittin' tobacco juice at Hanoi Jane :o)
What would my life be like without Google? ;-)
Hilarious, your post #43 is, LOL, I did.
"Pictures of what? There is only one video of the first WTC impact and it was caught by pure chance. There was little left of the aircraft after the impact to photgraph."
I think the author is referring to the numerous surveillance cameras in the area of the Pentagon at gas stations, etc. that were seized by the FBI moments after the Pentagon was hit. I think that the author believes that these cameras will reveal a cruise missile, military jet, or maybe Rocky & Bullwinkle as the cause, rather than the jetliner purported to have hit.
Regardless, the entire venture is a huge waste of time, IMO.
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