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Illinois Governor Sued Over Discrimination Against Pro-Life Pharmacists
LIFENEWS.COM ^ | April 13, 2005 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 04/19/2005 4:35:19 PM PDT by IleeneWright

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To: Dog Gone
"Yeah, a good business owner always allows his employees to refuse to sell the products he's marketing. Business School 101. Send those customers elsewhere, the recipe for success since currency was invented."

These two pharmacists believe that they are being asked to sell death, which is not a "product." Products are tangible. Pills are tangible. But when a pill causes death, the end result, death, is not tangible. And it pushes the emotional buttons of both employee and customer. As I said, any wise business owner under these circumstances would be wise to defer to the wishes of his highly educated and highly paid professional.

I'm at a loss as to why you can't understand this, other than my supposition that you've never run a business. It's the old story; "If you have to have it explained to you in the first place, you will NEVER understand."

61 posted on 04/19/2005 5:39:58 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: IleeneWright

It is the law! Physicians can refuse to perform a service which may be deemed immoral to that physician, with no consequences.


62 posted on 04/19/2005 5:40:44 PM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: IleeneWright
"If a pharmacy wants to be in the business of dispensing contraceptives, then it must fill prescriptions without making moral judgments," Blagojevich said on Wednesday, according to a CNS News report.

Spoken like a true fascist.

63 posted on 04/19/2005 5:41:56 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Dog Gone
If you can no longer do the job for which you're hired, QUIT. Get a paper route

Why? You and the good Governor will simply tell him to who and what he must deliver his newspapers.

64 posted on 04/19/2005 5:43:55 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: yooper
And if pharmacists think that selling addictive drugs like narcotics is immoral, then you'd have no problem with them refusing to do that, too, I guess.

Go back to endorsing the nazi arguments; it was more persuasive.

65 posted on 04/19/2005 5:45:30 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: jwalsh07
I won't tell them what to do. I'd tell them if they refuse to do what their employer hired them to do, they can take a hike, just like they're doing to the store's customers.

It's their choice.

Somehow, the pro-life issue completely erases all other conservative values in these discussions. They become completely irrelevant, and in fact, we willingly trample on them.

66 posted on 04/19/2005 5:50:56 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: All

Would anyone EXPECT a pharmacist to fill a prescription in OREGON, knowing that the prescription was presribed for the purpose of EUTHANASIA, if the pharmacist felt that euthanasia is immoral and contradicts his/her FAITH??


67 posted on 04/19/2005 5:51:50 PM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: Dog Gone

"Oh good, nazi references. This is going to be a constructive thread."

We have a modern day Holocaust.

"Okay, I think Jewish doctors should be able to refuse to treat Germans in the emergency room at trauma centers."

Does that prevent murders?

"I think nurses should be able to refuse care to black patients if it offends their moral values."

Does taht prevent murders?

"I think 911 operators should hang up on Mexicans."

Does that prevent murders?

"Got a problem with any of that?"

You need a better straw man to rip up.


68 posted on 04/19/2005 5:53:10 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Does a couple of pharmacists refusing to sell legal prescriptions prevent murders?


69 posted on 04/19/2005 5:55:46 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: IleeneWright

A little lighter humor:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1387029/posts

Grandma Stops Intruder With Garden Gnome


70 posted on 04/19/2005 5:58:01 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: Dog Gone
Read this again, I think you are misunderstanding the Governors position.

"If a pharmacy wants to be in the business of dispensing contraceptives, then it must fill prescriptions without making moral judgments," Blagojevich said on Wednesday, according to a CNS News report

His poaition appears to be very clear, the owner of the pharmacy will sell whatever the Governor tells him to sell. There is nothing conservative about that.

71 posted on 04/19/2005 5:58:29 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: republicofdavis
"What kind of country is this that forces a worker to violate his own conscience?" You don't get to exercise your conscience on your employer's dime. If you have your own business, fine, do what you want. But if you work for me and refuse to do what I want, you're gone. Nobody forces you to take the job.

That's fine hire and fire who you like, the question is "Does the government have the right to make these pharmicists fill this prescription?" The answer is no they don't. If you own the pharmacy fire them, but the government better keep their nose out of it.

72 posted on 04/19/2005 6:01:35 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Dog Gone

"Does a couple of pharmacists refusing to sell legal prescriptions prevent murders?"

Ok, I could pull the same Ace argument, causing a circular impasse. But I really do want to help you with this. I'm not trying to be unfair.

Suppose you are paid to go hunting for someone. He doesn't want to shoot. He wants you to do the shooting for him. You and he see movement in the bushes. He says, "That's a deer, shoot it."

"Do you see it?" you ask.

"No but I'm sure it's a deer."

"What if it's a person?"

"What are the odds of that? Shoot it."

Do you shoot?


73 posted on 04/19/2005 6:03:25 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: jwalsh07
There's nothing in that statement that says any such thing. In fact, it sounds as if a pharmacy can choose not to dispense contraceptives at all.

You'll get the hang of this before you pass the bar.

74 posted on 04/19/2005 6:04:26 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Of course not, but if he hires me to shoot a deer, I see the deer, and I decide it's immoral to shoot what clearly is a deer and not a person, then he should fire me and demand his money back.


75 posted on 04/19/2005 6:08:03 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Most independent pharmacists own and work in their stores. They answer to no one, and no one can fire them. They set the rules for that store. If it's a retail chain pharmacy, then you have to do what the chain wants you to do. Are the pharmacists refusing to do this independant or work for a chain?


76 posted on 04/19/2005 6:09:32 PM PDT by hipaatwo (When you're in trouble you want all your friends around you...preferably armed!)
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To: republicofdavis

No, this is not about an employer setting the terms of employment. This is about a governor dictating what a person can do, and ignoring state law that gives a health care worker the right of conscience.


77 posted on 04/19/2005 6:14:18 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: hipaatwo

The suit alleges that they work for the same chain of pharmacies, but doesn't mention which one.


78 posted on 04/19/2005 6:16:25 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

April 19, 2005
By MONICA DAVEY and PAM BELLUCK

CHICAGO, April 18 - As a fourth-generation pharmacist whose drugstore still sits on the courthouse square of his conservative small town downstate, State Senator Frank Watson knew exactly what side to take when Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich ordered pharmacies to fill prescriptions for women wanting the new "morning after" pill, even if it meant putting aside their employees' personal views.

"The governor is trying to make a decision that must be left to the pharmacy," said Senator Watson, whose family business, Watson's Drug Store in Greenville, Ill., does not stock the pill. "It's an infringement on a business decision and also on the pharmacist's right of conscience."




No need to study law to keep up wit you Dog. Just a blue collar, a pair of eyes and a good high school education will do.


79 posted on 04/19/2005 6:18:09 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Dog Gone

Of course you wouldn't shoot in the bushes, not being sure what this there. Abortionists claim they are sure the baby isn't a human being. How can they be sure?


80 posted on 04/19/2005 6:20:51 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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