Posted on 04/14/2005 11:05:20 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
And how many minarets did your church have.
Thats why they should have done it in 1948 when there were plenty of Muslims. And you have no idea how people in Kashmir would vote. The international community can ensure that an independent Kashmir will be pluralist like it has done in Afghanistan and Iraq. At the very least, India should produce the deed of accession to Kashmir to show the world that the transfer was done legally. When asked to produce, India said it has been misplaced. So the most important document that gave India the claim over is Kashmir is magically missing. Huh!
You may pride in burning down churches and mosques. Those are not my values. No doubt you grew up in a society where the de facto laws and customs were different. Not mine.
Well done India. Never play fair with the Slammies. They are the scourge of humanity. If you get a chance to cheat against the Slammies..then cheat. duhhhhh The international community can ensure that an independent Kashmir will be pluralist like it has done in Afghanistan and Iraq.
ha ha ha ha ha ha. how about the "intl community" work on saudi arabia, iran and pakistan.
Has anyone stopped you from your right to support yourself the king of New York? On the other hand, people who support an independent Khalistan are rotting in jail or forced to flee the country. If India is so secure in its own right, why not let the citizens of Punjab decide for themselves how they want to be governed?
Church NOT EQUALS Mosque. The second is a place where the devil is worshipped and the followers are exhorted to murder and loot their fellow human beings. Which is why I asked you how many MINARETS you were building Those are not my values. No doubt you grew up in a society where the de facto laws and customs were different. Not mine.
hundreds of temples razed to the ground and millions of murdered hindu souls do indicate that your laws and customs are different than mine or humanity's. islamic terrorism has no law but definitely a "custom" of killing and looting
Your hand is empty. You keep comparing India to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The funny thing is you are not that far off. India rightly deserves its place in history next to them.
If I start hijacking airplanes and killing people when they refuse to make me King...then be assured that the state of new york will fry me (You need to watch Law and Order and ADA - Jack McCoy)
The Khalistans or Islamic terrorists rotting in jail is a misnomer. How can the rotten rot again?
Your condescenscion is sickening, more so, since you are ill informed and seem to be quite prejudiced. India is already civilized and tolerant in every aspects of the words, yes, more so, compared to US.. infact, it wouldnt be an exaggeration to say that US has a loong way to go before it can achieve India's level of cultural and civilizational maturity.
India is poor materialistically, but not spiritually.. its culture is more tolerant and vibrant than the pseudo-liberal western europe and religiously dogmatic USofA.
To even suggest that India is anti-minority is quite ridiculous.. Anti-minority nations dont usually :
--> Have a muslim prez and Sikh Prime Minister
--> Allow the richest man in the country wouldnt be a Muslim
--> Let the minority community have a growth rate thats 25% more than that of the majority community
--> Provide members of a minority community significant "federal government assistance" if they want to make a trip to Mecca
--> Let the minority communities have their own "personal law board" that gives them the authority to judiciate on non-criminal issues pertaining to their community.
--> Allow children to receive secularized education in all public schools... that is one of the most impartial (and even more objective than the ones taught in US). Especially, unlike in US, Indian kids are NOT taught the creationist theories of one particular religion favorably and ignore the rest, more so in science classes.
OK.. now lets take a look at US :
1. Does US ever issue a public holiday for any non-Christian festival ?
2. How many non-Christian presidents has US ever elected ? Or France ? Or Norway ? Or Great Britain ? Or Australia ? Or Spain ? Or Germany ???? Even to a titular position, forget an executive position ? Is it ever possible for a person to open claim to be atheistic and still run for any office in US, like they can easily do all over India ?
3. Will US ever agree to having minorities set up their own personal law boards that enable them to judiciate on matters pertaining to non-criminal issues of their community, even if they supercede the US constitution ?
4. Does US take the sentiments of "all" minority groups when they put forth proposals to teach Judeo-Christian theories about creationism in public schools ? If yes, then why does Pennsylvania's Dover school board doesnt teach Hindu and Buddhist "creationist" theories on par with Judeo-Christian theory ? Why does "creationism" automatically imply the teaching of the "judeo-christian" theory alone ?
5. Indeed if US is the paragon of tolerance, why were more than 20 sikhs shot dead in the aftermath of post-911 violence, simply because they had brown skin and were wearing Turbans ? Why were hundreds of brown skinned people beaten up all over the country, even though most of them were not even muslim ?
I think all societies are evolving, both US and India have got its flaws.. neither is perfect.. I am beginning to think that India scores much higher than US on the tolerance and secularism aspects, esp after living in Texas for a while.
Hundreds and thousands of Europeans were also killed by Muslims during the Crusades and later. Does that justify killing them now?
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i was mentioning your favorite countries and showing you how pathetically they compare to the worlds largest democracy. rest assured india is doing well and a pissed off khalistani or kashmiri sympathiser banging away at the key board doesnt matter. the will of a billion people expressed in a fair election is what counts.
islamic propaganda and lies wont cut much ice with the world today. americans and europeans were in the dark about the true nature of islamic terrorism. Sept 11th was an eye opener to the world.
killing school children in beslan, hijacking planes, bombing malls in israel what kind of a religion is this that festers hatred. show me one place where muslims have been able to live in peace with another community. either the slammies are angels and the rest of the world is scum or the reverse is true. i have made my choice
there is fundamnentalism in all religions - hindu, christian, buddhist..take your pick. but islam is a religion in which ALL OR MOST of its followers support murder and mayhem. it is inhuman. leave the path of the PROFIT and start practising humanity. - AMEN
thought: what do you think the muslims would say if they had nuclear weapons and the west didnt.
thought: if the israelis had lost ONE war with the arabs would there be a single jew alive?
Slammies are incredible..they expect to sit on their lazy a$$e$ and demand all rights while conveniently murdering people when they get a chance to do so.
No. And they shouldn't. National holidays don't mean anything. They are an excuse not to work. Trust me, I have lived in India and well aware of national holidays, day of mournings, etc.
2. How many non-Christian presidents has US ever elected ?
How many non-Christians have run for the Presidency.
4. Does US take the sentiments of "all" minority groups when they put forth proposals to teach Judeo-Christian theories about creationism in public schools ? If yes, then why does Pennsylvania's Dover school board doesnt teach Hindu and Buddhist "creationist" theories on par with Judeo-Christian theory ? Why does "creationism" automatically imply the teaching of the "judeo-christian" theory alone ?
Noone stops you from selling Hindu creationism theories. You have all the rights in this country to set up such a school and I am sure there are. BTW, since you claim you have lived in the US, I am sure you know that local schools make such decision and not the country as a while.
3. Will US ever agree to having minorities set up their own personal law boards that enable them to judiciate on matters pertaining to non-criminal issues of their community, even if they supercede the US constitution ?
No and they shouldn't. Equal rights and penalties for everyone. Even for civil cases, especially because our legal system is based on case law.
5. Indeed if US is the paragon of tolerance, why were more than 20 sikhs shot dead in the aftermath of post-911 violence, simply because they had brown skin and were wearing Turbans ? Why were hundreds of brown skinned people beaten up all over the country, even though most of them were not even muslim ?
I don't believe this. It is a lie. I know of one such case in AZ and the perpetrator has been sentenced to death or life in prison. No comparison with Congress party cadres with full support of the govt running around killing Sikhs in Delhi after Mrs Gandhi's assassination - a feat that I have personally witnessed.
And last but not the least, it gives people like you who are our guests to trash the country in private and in public. If I did that in India, well the thought wouldn't even cross my mind.
I don't want to read anything else from you. Please do not reply.
Don't confuse Arabs with Muslims. I have met Muslims all over the world, and then Arabs, and they are two different creatures. Arab Christians are just as fundamentalist. There are millions of good Muslims even in your own country. If you think centuries old conflicts are justified by killing women and children, then you are not much different from slammies either.
A billion people do not live in Kashmir or Punjab. If Punjabis choose to live with India, fine. But people in Punjab should get to determine that. Same for Kashmir. And India needs to produce the deed of accession of Kashmir, even a fake one.
Not all muslims are perverted sickos.. Incidentally, all the Iranians I know of are ultra smart and open minded. At their parties, they usually make fun of their mullahs and ayotollahs.
When did I say Muslims = Arabs. Ok since you brought this topic up here is a list of non-arab muslim terrorists... Chechens, Filipino Muslims, Indian Muslims (Kashmir..), Afghans, Pakistanis, Indonesians Arab Christians are just as fundamentalist.
yeah right. once again you are fudging differences. arab christians are running away from iraq thanks to slammie terrorism There are millions of good Muslims even in your own country.
thanks to ashcroft the "good" muslims are leaving for canada. good riddance..
that means they are not slammies any more. the koran teaches people to kill http://www.faithfreedom.org
No. Sorry. They do not have the right to form ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST havens and treat non-muslims as half humans and then butcher them or forcibly convert them to create a "land of the pure".
And I am ecstatic to know that India is cheating the Slammies. Serves those murderers right..
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