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1 posted on 04/08/2005 7:39:14 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 04/08/2005 7:41:16 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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Hmmm. If one "assumption/theory/guess/could be " is debunked, they have a meeting and think of another idea until some one kills that idea, too.
I wonder what they'll come up with next? We should take a poll.
3 posted on 04/08/2005 7:44:13 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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excellent.....


7 posted on 04/08/2005 7:51:36 AM PDT by Vaquero ("There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain))
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Wonderful. Let's see someone -- anyone -- replicate the creation of the simplest form of life from inorganic elements in a laboratory.

After 50 years of unsuccessful attempts, these experiments were virtually all discontinued in the late 90's.

Such a lot of nonsense.


8 posted on 04/08/2005 7:51:52 AM PDT by Elpasser
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"a surprising finding that may alter the way many scientists think about how life began on the planet"

= Were trolling for grant money.


10 posted on 04/08/2005 7:54:40 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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Ping!



Just a question Patrick: have they conducted an experiment using this knowledge yet? What's the hold up? If they have, what's the verdict? Seems like a simple enough lab excercise to me.


12 posted on 04/08/2005 7:55:48 AM PDT by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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While previous calculations assumed Earth's temperature at the top of the atmosphere to be well over 1,500 degrees F several billion years ago, the new mathematical models show temperatures would have been twice as cool back then.

I would never have imagined that the top of the atmosphere would ever have been even 750 degrees. The ground temperatures must have been incredible.

15 posted on 04/08/2005 8:04:05 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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Apparently, they discovered some ancient stone-carved leaflets that when translated stated all the rich creatures that bought those new "flowers" were filling the air with all that toxic oxygen and that the end of the world was coming.


17 posted on 04/08/2005 8:05:22 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I teach Environmental Science in high school. Scary, isn't it?)
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It's time to play Count the Fudge Words- "probably", "could have been", "would have been", "may have begun" "assumed". Let's also add some "Oops, Never Mind" words- "surprising finding", "alter the way many scientists think", "flawed", "incorrect" "blind assumption".

Help me Patrick, I'm confused. I thought that all this was figured out by the "scientists", and it was only ignorant religious types who questioned it.


35 posted on 04/08/2005 8:20:11 AM PDT by almcbean
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"If Earth's atmosphere was hydrogen-rich as we have shown, organic compounds could easily have been produced."

Mmmm hmmmm. Exactly how gullible does this guy think we are?


57 posted on 04/08/2005 8:38:51 AM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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Originally earth had a reducing atmosphere. We're still together on that, aren't we?


75 posted on 04/08/2005 8:49:16 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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"Interstellar space is filled with extremely tenuous clouds of gas which are mostly Hydrogen. The neutral Hydrogen atom (HI in astronomer's shorthand) consists of 1 proton and 1 electron. The proton and electron spin like tops but can have only two orientations; spin axes parallel or anti-parallel. It is a rare event for Hydrogen atoms in the interstellar medium to switch from the parallel to the anti-parallel configuration, but when they do they emit radio waves with a wavelength of 21 centimeters (about 8 inches) and a corresponding frequency of exactly 1420 MHz. Tuned to this frequency radio telescopes have mapped the neutral Hydrogen in the sky. The image, http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010113.html represents such an all-sky HI survey with the plane of our Milky Way Galaxy running horizontally through the center. In this false color image no stars are visible , just diffuse clouds of gas tens to hundreds of light years across which cluster near the plane. The gas clouds seem to form arching, looping structures, stirred up by stellar activity in the galactic disk. "

Let's consider and analyse this verse:

Gen.1 [6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Here one may presume "waters" refers to both the primitive (hydrogen and oxygen) and the final liquid (firmament) states of water. The hydrogen ion layer is indicated as being present within the reference to "waters" from the beginning.

Finally consider these things from scripture:

Job.38
[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Verse 5 could be telling us of that plane in our Milky Way and verse 7 plainly of the 1420 MHz radio wave frequency. If this lighter-than-air hydrogen ion layer was surrounding the earth's atmosphere in ancient days, the properties of the spin axis of hydrogen would have produced a "singing" when varying wavelengths of radiation from "the stars" bounced off, forcing the change of the proton and electron axis orientation. This layer, when ignited, could have also easily formed the water vapor necessary to trigger the "Great Flood" and just as easily been the filter necessary to keep out higher, more harmful, life-shortening radiation for prior generations. I also note the statement of man's days being shortened to "an hundred and twenty years" (Gen. 6 [3] ) after the flood and refer to the statement of "the windows of heaven were opened" (Gen. 7 [11] ). This could have been due to the depletion of the hydrogen layer which produced the deluge and allowed the higher concentrations of radiation to reach earth's surface. If this hydrogen layer had become ignited, it would have burned from the top down, not necessarily causing significant heat damage to earth, but producing trillions of cubic meters of water vapor being released into the atmosphere - hence the "Great Flood". So today's climate allows the formation of rain because the sun's radiation can reach the earth's surface in sufficient amounts to vaporize water since it isn't filtered by the former hydrogen ion layer. This holds true if you look at the densities of hydrogen ions in space relative to the ease of radiation's conductivity comparitively speaking to the atmospheric conditions where hydrogen ions are more densely located. Is it any wonder hydrogen is the most plentiful, but basic element of the universe? Notice locations of the largest coal deposits appear in mountainous valleyways - an indication that a high level flashover from the burning of hydrogen and oxygen very well may have "charcoaled" higher elevation vegetation, thus the charcoal settled into lower elevations and was subsequently covered by a sedimentary layer. There is no accurate carbon testing to date that can discredit this theory, but should the Ark Noah and his family survived on ever be found, it is highly probable the exterior would appear scorched on its outer skin.

But, that's just a theory....


97 posted on 04/08/2005 9:04:11 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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There goes lots and lots and lots of creationist lawyering right out the window. All the finger-wagging about the incorrect assumptions of Stanley Miller's expermient, the oxidizing rather than reducing atmosphere, etc.

There will of course be no acknowledgment from the Holy Warriors. Being a lying, lawyerly a-hole means you don't do that sissy stuff.

100 posted on 04/08/2005 9:06:36 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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His experiment also yielded a far greater proportion of compounds that are toxic to life. Furthermore, his "trap" for them removed products from an otherwise reversible chemical equation, where the amino acids would be destroyed again. His experiment did not use a closed system.


189 posted on 04/08/2005 10:27:14 AM PDT by Styria
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I myself like my Primorital Soup with lots of compound crackers


250 posted on 04/08/2005 11:52:35 AM PDT by tophat9000 (When the State ASSUMES death...It makes an ASH out of you and me)
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Ping


280 posted on 04/08/2005 12:51:08 PM PDT by jkid2 (Accept risk. Accept responsibility. Put a lawyer out of business.(quotes.ibnerd.net))
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I worked as a chemistry lab TA for Stanley Miller while I was an undergraduate at Revelle College, UCSD. I asked Dr. Miller how long it took to get the initial amino acids. I was surprised at the answer. There were peptide fragments of 2 and 3 amino acids within 48 hours.
344 posted on 04/08/2005 6:22:25 PM PDT by Myrddin
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The goal of Darwinists: From chicken soup (monoculturalism) to minestrone soup (multiculturalism).


371 posted on 04/08/2005 7:41:32 PM PDT by mjtobias (Our love for Terri was immense; her parents' love was infinite; God's love is everlasting.)
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The goal of Darwinists: From chicken soup (monoculturalism) to minestrone soup (multiculturalism).


372 posted on 04/08/2005 7:43:38 PM PDT by mjtobias (Our love for Terri was immense; her parents' love was infinite; God's love is everlasting.)
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Really old particle

"A tiny speck of zircon crystal that is barely visible to the eye is believed to be the oldest known piece of Earth at about 4.4 billion years old.

Valley found that the planet had cooled to about 100-degrees Centigrade less than 200 million years after it was formed. Before the research, the oldest evidence for liquid water on the planet was from a rock estimated to be much younger - 3.8 billion years old.

403 posted on 04/09/2005 6:07:07 AM PDT by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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