Posted on 03/28/2005 12:05:51 PM PST by Brilliant
If the "ass" you speak of is Michael Savage, he's been the loudest and most helpful voice in America trying to stop Terri Schiavo's murder. Through his efforts tens of thousands of dollars have been donated to Terri's defense fund, and millions of American have been enlightened about the judicial tyranny and inhuman facts in her case.
"Barbara Bush, are you happy with your two sons now??"
"Jeb Bush = (swastika)"
Look, I can understand people feeling compelled to do what they are doing and I support their right to do it. But are these people Republicans or just fanatics? I just don't like the party being associated with signs like that.
Yeah, this was a cut by the NYT. Basically claiming that it's the same ole faces--those tiresome abortion protesters. Trying to get up the feminists' ire against the protesters. And at the same time discourage other potential protesters who might think it's something new and different.
Agreed. Attacking Bush is not helpful. If it weren't for the fact that you read the comments on FreeRepublic and see some of the same idiot comments over any over, I'd say that these guys are just leftists pretending to be conservatives. But since there are so many on the FreeRepublic, I've gotta assume they are simply misguided conservatives. Attacking your own leaders is not going to get you anywhere.
Unfortunately, conservatives have a long history of doing that. Not just in this instance.
Save your venom for the liberals. When you attack your own leaders, you're finished. There are some battles you can win, and some you can't. If you destroy your leaders after they lose a battle, then you will be leaderless when the next battle comes along.
Not true... Courts only have the power to rule, they cannot enforce their rulings. This check is inately built into the system.
historical reference:
Another landmark in Jackson’s administration came in 1832 when the president defied an explicit order of the Supreme Court. Chief Justice John Marshall wrote a majority opinion barring Georgia from removing the Cherokee Indians from the state. Jackson supported Georgia’s effort to remove the Indians and reportedly said, “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.” Jackson secured congressional funding for the massive removal program, which forced 18,000 to 20,000 Native Americans to move west, taking the lives of about 4,000 along the way. His defiance of the Supreme Court’s ruling on the issue showed that the Constitution’s formal separation of powers would not in itself rein in a determined president.
Our country was founded on facing down and utltimately defeating the great odds stacked against us. Our fledgling nation of ragtag, overmatched defenders defeated an Empire. Yours is a very hollow apology for Jeb Bush considering just how far this case reaches into American civil and religious rights and stomps on them.
It's not about the chances of Jeb Bush "winning", it's about doing everything humanly possible to stop Terri Schiavo's murder and preventing our rights from being snatched away by a heartless, pagan judiciary. Our elected 'leaders' are standing around with their hands in their pockets and bemoaning their impotency while a woman dies, fully cognizant that she is being murdered in PLAIN SIGHT. Jeb Bush stopped short of doing evrything possible simply for political purposes.
Once you comprehend the full ramifications of Terri's horrendous death sentence and how it affects EACH AND EVERY AMERICAN IN THE FUTURE, and how it advances by leaps and bounds the Culture of Death and the judicial tyranny that supports it, then you begin to see that this is a major victory for the dark side of our society, because "good men decided to do nothing". Jeb Bush, and all of our craven elected leaders, have miserably failed us all.
Or conservatives with ba!!s?
I agree with you 100%. And your post deserves to be stated again and again.
No, mine is not a hollow apology. Mine is a suggestion of a calculated response. You don't win wars just by attacking. You've gotta have a plan that makes sense. There was no chance that Bush would win this battle. Bush consulted with dozens of conservative lawyers about what more he could have done, and I can assure you that they unanimously told him that he had reached the end of his rope. I'm a conservative lawyer, and I would have told him the same thing. Unless he was prepared to take up arms, he had no options. And a leader who leads an armed revolt doesn't have much chance unless he has an army behind him. Ask John Brown.
Schiavo "remembered' it in '97. According to his testimony in the malpractice suit he was going to take care of her for the rest of her life.
Sure you do, but when every passing moment brings this innocent woman closer to death by starvation, you gotta ACT if you're the Governor or the President, not plan.
As I see it, if Jeb Bush becomes outspoken and brave AFTER Terri's death, his leadership, (and President Bush's), will mean nothing to people. Right now he has the extremely rare opportunity to become a real leader, a leader by example who will stand up in the face of tyranny and go against the odds. (Though in reality the odds are on Jeb Bush's side, because it is the Governor who can enforce the existing laws of Florida, not the county judge). It isn't that Jeb Bush can't go against Judge Greer's order, it's that we won't.
The point is she's honest about it.
Excellent post. Pinging some folks to read it.
Excellent post. "Brilliant", one might say ;0)
Your position is based on the assumption that something can be done as a legal matter to save Terri at this late date. Since I've been practicing law for 22 years, I know better. This matter has been up the appellate chain in both Florida and DC. Both the State legislature and Congress have weighed in on the matter. Both of them have decided to accept the results of the court process.
Bush is not a lawyer, he's a businessman. You can be absolutely certain that he has consulted with numerous conservative lawyers about this, and they have unanimously told him there is nothing else he can do as a legal matter.
What it comes down to is does he defy the courts, or does he not? It's a simple question, and unless he's got a lot of guns and an army, and is prepared to use them, it's got a simple answer.
As a legal matter, this battle is over. It's as simple as that. No matter how many times you insist otherwise, there is nothing that Bush can do to fix this without starting an insurrection.
And if there is going to be an insurrection, it will have to start with the people, not the governor of Florida.
You want Bush to risk jail time over a lost cause, but so far, only about 38 protesters have been arrested for civil disobedience. I've heard a lot of lame excuses from fellow conservatives over this. If this order is one that Bush should defy, then why is it not one that you should defy? There are a whole lot more than just 38 whining conservatives on this website. If you want action, then stop whining and take action.
I recall reading a post on FR indicating that Greer is essentially enforcing his ruling because Terri's guards answer to him. I didn't understand why. Can this be confirmed?
Also, your example references a federal decision in which the President defied the SCOTUS. Are you saying this is proof a state governor, Jeb, has the exact same power to defy a ruling by a state judge, Greer?
No. It was spelled S-A-V-I-D-G-E. I know Michael Savage has been on the side of life.
Ah, but only Bush would have a chance of getting through the blockade. Anyone else would be hauled off in handcuffs as were those 38. Somehow I suspect that they would not stop the Governor.
Especially if he showed up with the Lt. Governor, an entourage of State Police and National Guardsmen.
Of course they can, Courts have absolutely NO ABILITY TO ENFORCE THEIR RULINGS... at any level. It is up to law enforcment that answers NOT TO THE JUDICIARY to enforce laws and also rulings.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.