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Bee killer imperils crops~~A tiny parasite, ...... is devastating honeybees.
Palm Beach Post ^ | Monday, March 28, 2005 | Susan Salisbury Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Posted on 03/28/2005 9:28:51 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Arthalion
We found 308 species of bees in our study area including 2 possible new species (they are currently being veryfied by the bee expert. Sites with honeybees had significantly lower diversity than sites without honeybees. I'm sure you are correct about the importance of the honeybee, I've just had some run ins with beekeepers that weren't too happy about some of the inferences of my work. Could have many implications regarding property rights considering the proximatey of some hives to state and federally owned natural areas.
41 posted on 03/28/2005 10:56:15 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: stylin19a
Those are likely to be yellow jackets. Don't do any pollination.
42 posted on 03/28/2005 10:58:30 AM PST by Western Phil
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To: Carry_Okie

What kind of weed control methods do you use?

Our invasives seem to be becoming resistent to our normal cut and drip techniques.


43 posted on 03/28/2005 10:58:57 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: TruBluKentuckian

"Just in the past 2 years have I started seeing honey bees again."

Same up here in Wisconsin. I did see a Honeybee yesterday, though, and I was elated! They are few and far between.

We do still have a lot of Bumble Bees that do a fair share of polinating in my garden.

If you garden, you may want to add some "heirloom, open-pollinated" varieties of veggies, herbs & flowers to your garden. They self-polinate and aren't dependent upon the birds and the bees.

http://www.seedsavers.org (I used to work for them. They're a terrific organization.)


44 posted on 03/28/2005 11:00:46 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: stylin19a

that reminds me of a HS science experiment in which we looked at what types of pop the bees (well mostly yellow jackets)preferred. Nothign worked as well as organge soda. But orange soda in blue can wasn't as effective as organge soda in an orange can.


45 posted on 03/28/2005 11:01:13 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hey, a friend of ours has a huge hive in the wall of her home. The bee keepers are welcome to it!


46 posted on 03/28/2005 11:48:20 AM PST by Nachum ( "Let everyone get a move on and take some hilltops! Whatever we take, will be ours- Ariel Sharon)
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To: GreenFreeper

But orange soda in blue can wasn't as effective as organge soda in an orange can.

Of course, who wants to drink some off brand soda.


47 posted on 03/28/2005 11:50:55 AM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: freedomfiter2

What are you talking about... Organge soda is the best... Have you tried it?

;-)


48 posted on 03/28/2005 11:52:57 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: GreenFreeper

What are you talking about... Organge soda is the best... Have you tried it?

I meant it being in a blue can. Isn't it normally in an orange one? Seriously though even the "off brands" are usually good.


49 posted on 03/28/2005 12:07:06 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: freedomfiter2

LOL, i thought you were poking fun at my spelling ("Organge"). We didn't use orange soda that came in a blue can we just poured in in the blue can.


50 posted on 03/28/2005 12:20:35 PM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
http://www.seedsavers.org (I used to work for them. They're a terrific organization.)

I toured their farm / orchard / vineyard about 10 years ago in early October.

A memorable experience and a beautiful setting.

I was extremely impressed.

51 posted on 03/28/2005 2:09:32 PM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: Freebird Forever

Isn't it gorgeous? I just helped them set up their new Gift Shop/Visitor Center.

Visit again! You'll be even more impressed ten years later. :)


52 posted on 03/28/2005 2:41:28 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Why can't these mites feed on mosquitos, wasps and hornets instead. If they did, I'd like to spread 'em around my yard.


53 posted on 03/28/2005 2:51:16 PM PST by JTHomes
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To: GreenFreeper; farmfriend; sasquatch
What kind of weed control methods do you use?

Our invasives seem to be becoming resistent to our normal cut and drip techniques.

Our property contains plants from three major bioregions: North Coast, Central Coast, and an island of inland species usually found 150 miles away in the Sierra Foothills. As such, it's an interesting place to study. We have identified and photo-documented nearly 200 native plant species on the property and 91 exotics. Our weed control methods include, spot spray, hand weeding, mulching, light control (by means of graduated overstory removal), solarization, cut and treat, carbo depletion, heavy equipment... you name it, not to mention how we deploy natives to help us out.

The ability to make an early identification is our most valuable process knowledge. Things happen fast in meadows, as you know. So, if we can identify weed seedlings as early as possible then there's more time to treat them before they seed and more time to plan coordinated attacks on multiple species. Sometimes I have to do successive processes because herbicide injury to a species that will surivive the hit can kill my opportunity to get it later with something more effective. For example, hit catsear with a 2,4-D/dicamba/mecoprop mix (which is supposed to kill it but doesn't) and it turns brown all righty, and then sends up a nearly invisible shoots with tiny flowers on them. At that stage the plant lacks the green material to adsorb and translocate glyphostate, so it will blow seed no matter what you do. See below.

See the brown leaves at the bottom? Normally you would see a rosette about three inches across on the one on the right. Herbicides failed to kill it when treated as specified. Catsear is the dandelion from hell.

Given that the catsear hides under (and sometimes within) bunch grasses, I still have to get the "overstory weeds" (such as cranesbill) early enough for the catsear to recover and leaf out while it's still too cold for the weed to bolt. That means I have to know where I will be spraying, for example cranesbill, when the cotyledons are all that is visible.

Then there are the grass weeds. I have to distinguish weeds such as Bromus hordeaceus, diandrus, secalinus, madritensis, or commutatus versus natives such as Bromus carinatus and vulgaris, long before boot stage. That means I either have to know a visible difference, or have such a detailed knowledge of what weeds are where that I can make a prescriptive decision. When these annuals are hiding out inside native bunch grasses, removal has to be done very carefully by hand for several years. Early treatment with pre-emergence herbicides would preclude germination of the groundcovers between bunches. I therefore have to decide whether to weed it once early, and then apply pre-emergents or to rely upon the longer dormancy of most native seeds and sterilize between the grasses with pre-emergents while supplimenting their nutrition artificially. I plan to be experimenting with spot application of pre-emergents directly in the bunch grasses early in the season to save time and improve yields. Most broadleaf weeds that I have seen before on the property I can distinguish from their cotyledons, which means that I can get away with a lot less herbicide if I can spot spray them early. Early isn't necessarily the best time to weed as too often the taproot breaks at that stage, better to get them at early bolt. That of course means that the spraying merely reduced the numbers to the point that hand operations aren't fruitless.

Together, these tradeoffs mean that I am usuall spraying very early, in narrow time slots in December and January as temperature permits, so that by February and early March I can clean up the problem weeds with spot applications of glyphostate. Handwork starts in February and March and progresses until mid June.

Reliable information is hard to come by. I have found the claims of most herbicide manufacturers too often suspect. Their testing regimens are directed to turfgrass or farming, which have little in common with what we are doing. The botany keys (such as the Jepson Manual I use) are overwhelmingly set up for the convenience of biologists making fine distinctions, not for people looking to identify whether or not to kill a patch of unknown seedlings. Distinguishing plants by seeds may be easy, but it's too late for me to begin developing a control process.

Ultimately, establishing healthy natives is the best way to gain control, but one has to get the situation sufficiently in hand to even contemplate attempting it. There is a huge body of process knowledge involved and nobody in the business is apt to share it, particularly with respect to propagation techniques. To complicate things further, there are apparently succession processes in soil that make certain native pioneer species particularly effective at grabbing a niche before the weeds do. For example: Just after thinning an oak forest, as the duff rots, the purslane species such as miners lettuce or red maids are good at keeping down chickweed or annual blue grass (at least around here they do). As the process progresses (and the as mycorhizae get going) we install Satureja douglasiana, lotus species, and other groundcovers to preclude the re-emergence of (for example) French Broom. Needless to say, we have dozens of strategies that vary according to light, soil chemistry, moisture, wind exposure, seed dormancy, and the characteristic mode(s) of seed transmission, whether weed or native.

All of that was, of course, grossly oversimplified. I think habitat restoration is one of the least understood bodies of knowledge found in agriculture. The tools and equipment are terrible (something I intend to do something about). The propagation processes and popular planting techniques are unaffordable. The best thing that could happen is to get the damned government out of it. They bring me more weeds with their road maintenance equipment than anybody else.

I hope that gives you a feel for what we are doing. It's a lot more involved than that, as I am sure you know.

54 posted on 03/28/2005 3:28:36 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: GreenFreeper
BTW, given that you are into free-market environmental management, you might find my book of interest to you.
55 posted on 03/28/2005 3:31:04 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Fireweed:


56 posted on 03/28/2005 3:39:14 PM PST by Rebelbase (Accused Culture of Death member for daring to expose Terri hysteria)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sorry Ernest, been off the computer for a while. Fireweed is the predominant flower around here in summer. The taste is supposed to be unique to honey made by bees feeding on Fireweed. I'm no expert but it is good.


57 posted on 03/30/2005 9:36:31 AM PST by strongbow
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