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CLEOPATRA WAS A BLONDE - (terrific brief history of Egypt's rich past; optimistic democratic future)
TO THE POINT.COM ^ | MARCH 24, 2005 | DR. JACK WHEELER

Posted on 03/26/2005 1:14:24 PM PST by CHARLITE

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To: CHARLITE
"Egyptian history ended over 3,000 years ago."

It's little gems like this that get my ire up. If it is true, then Egypt does not exist and we can just delete the rest of the article. At the best, it's sloppy writing which should be beneath any PhD.

On the subject of the Greeks being blond, The classical Greeks are generally said to have been light haired and the current coloring is likely due to having been over run repeatedly by Turks and other dark haired people. Dark hair is, I think, a dominant trait.

N.B. The woman we think of as "Cleopatra" was the 13th of that name.

21 posted on 03/26/2005 1:54:58 PM PST by AntiBurr ("A generation that ignores history has no past--and no future." --Heinlein)
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To: GSlob
The people who inhabit Egypt, Greece and Rome today are not the same people who built those early civilizations. Take a look at any of the early frescos from the early Roman period in both Greece and Egypt (as well as Rome).

The simple fact is that thriving cultures attact multitudes of immigrants willing to perform low-level service functions. Over time, the base reaches a tipping point and the wealth producers move on to a new region, keeping one step ahead of the masses until the cycle repeats itself again.

22 posted on 03/26/2005 1:55:18 PM PST by lemura
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To: CHARLITE
"it will be the first time in 5,000 years of recorded Egyptian history that Egyptians have had a voice in choosing their government"

Other than the minority coptic community ,most people in Egypt are not Egyptians but are arab colonizers or a mixture of arabian/egyptian.
23 posted on 03/26/2005 1:55:52 PM PST by avile
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To: AntiBurr

Sorry for the double post, I simply double clicked when a single was correct..


24 posted on 03/26/2005 1:57:07 PM PST by AntiBurr ("A generation that ignores history has no past--and no future." --Heinlein)
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To: CHARLITE

Bull! I saw the movie.....and Cleopatra was no Harlow.


25 posted on 03/26/2005 1:59:47 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: tiamat

The blonde waitresses take their trays
They spin around and they cross the floor
They've got the moves (oh way oh)
You drop your drink then they bring you more. . .


26 posted on 03/26/2005 2:02:22 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Alter Kaker
...some coins suggest she was large and dumpy.

Power is an aphrodesiac!

27 posted on 03/26/2005 2:04:23 PM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Fedora

One of my favorites. Have it on my hard drive

OOOOh!

I get it!

Cleopatra was reincarnated as a waitress!


28 posted on 03/26/2005 2:04:41 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: SedVictaCatoni

The large barbarians from the north (Germania) invaded the Shore People who hailed from Asia Minor--twice (once as "Dorians"). Things got mixed up.


29 posted on 03/26/2005 2:07:18 PM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: tiamat

LOL! I guess that was a drop in salary for her :-)


30 posted on 03/26/2005 2:07:37 PM PST by Fedora
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To: CzarNicky
I thought she was black. That's what the multiculturalists told me.

Gosh! And there she was flying around amongst the pyramids, blond hair trailing behind?

No, wait........

31 posted on 03/26/2005 2:15:28 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: avile
Other than the minority coptic community ,most people in Egypt are not Egyptians but are arab colonizers or a mixture of arabian/egyptian.

*chuckle* Well, other than the minority American Indian community, most people in the United States are not Americans but are European colonizers or a mixture of African/European.

32 posted on 03/26/2005 2:15:54 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: CHARLITE

cant be true. Time magazine, a few years ago, claimed she was an African princess, and you know Time Magazine has no agendas


33 posted on 03/26/2005 2:17:30 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Mayor of Jesusland)
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To: bannie

I wrote my post poorly! It was the Invaders from Europe who invaded twice--not the Shore People.

F-

:(


34 posted on 03/26/2005 2:17:32 PM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: lemura
The simple fact is that thriving cultures attact multitudes of immigrants willing to perform low-level service functions. Over time, the base reaches a tipping point and the wealth producers move on to a new region, keeping one step ahead of the masses until the cycle repeats itself again.

Economic immigration is a phenomenon very rare in premodern times. What really happens is that thriving cultures attract migrating peoples, who invade, kill most of the "wealth producers", and settle in the area.

35 posted on 03/26/2005 2:18:28 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
"Well, no, it wasn't a Roman colony, because the Romans never sent anyone to settle there and populate the place"

What about Antinoopolis founded by Hadrian? There may have been other Roman colonies in Egypt.

36 posted on 03/26/2005 2:19:12 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: SedVictaCatoni

no , since there was no America until Europeans colonized it, and named it for Amerigo Vespucci. there was no england until angles displaced celtic Britons.


37 posted on 03/26/2005 2:20:16 PM PST by avile
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To: Eternal_Bear
What about Antinoopolis founded by Hadrian? There may have been other Roman colonies in Egypt.

The city was founded by Hadrian, but it wasn't populated by Romans who were sent to live there. That is essentially the definition of a "colony" in classical times. It was probably settled by Greek traders from elsewhere in Egypt.

38 posted on 03/26/2005 2:22:39 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: avile

Celts, Jutes and Picts!


39 posted on 03/26/2005 2:26:30 PM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: anniegetyourgun; CHARLITE
Professor Stephen Oppenheimer believes Mesopotamia, Egypt and etc. was civilized by the refugees from the Ice Age melt that submerged Sundaland. Below is a review of his book Eden In The East:

"Editorial Reviews

From Kirkus Reviews
In an exhaustively researched and creatively argued reassessment of mankind's origins, British physician Oppenheimer, an expert in tropical pediatrics, contends that the now-submerged area of Southeast Asia was the cradle of ancient civilization.
From time to time, scholars from various disciplines have argued for the existence of a vastly old ``founder civilization.'' Among the most famous was Charles Hapgood, who based his theory of a lost seafaring civilization on his analysis of the famous 16th-century ``Piri Re'is'' maps of the Antarctic land mass.
In this tradition, Oppenheimer blends evidence from geology, genetics, linguistics, archaeology, and anthropology to argue persuasively that such a civilization existed on a submerged land mass in Southeast Asia, which geologists call the Sunda shelf. Pointing to geological evidence for the submersion of the shelf by abrupt rises in the sea level about 8,000 years ago, Oppenheimer contends that the coastal cultures of Southeast Asia were drowned by a great flood, reflected in flood mythologies scattered from the ancient Middle East (such as the biblical story of Noah) to Australia and the Americas.

According to the author, tantalizing archaeological evidence exists of settlements under a ``silt curtain'' left by the sea floods in drowned coastal regions from Southeast Asia to the Middle East, while linguistic markers indicate that languages spread from Southeast Asia to Australia and the Pacific.
The shared flood story is one striking example of similar Eurasian myths according to the author; the ancient Middle East and Asia share other myth typologies, conspicuously including creation and Cain and Abel myths, which point to common origins in a progenitor culture.

Absorbing, meticulously researched, limpidly written, and authoritative: should be regarded as a groundbreaking study of the remote past of Southeast Asia, and of civilization itself. -- Copyright ©1999, Kirkus Associates, LP. All rights reserved.--This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title."

Product Description:

A book that completetly changes the established and conventional view of prehistory by relocating the Lost Eden - the world's 1st civilisation - to SouthEast Asia.

At the end of the Ice Age, SouthEast Asia formed a continent twice the size of India, which included Indochina, Malaysia, Indonesia and Borneo.
The South China Sea, the Gulf of Thailand and the Java sea, which were all dry, formed the connecting parts of the continent. Geologically, this half sunken continent is the Shunda shelf or Sundaland.

In the Eden in the East Stephen Oppenheimer puts forward the astonishing argument that here in southeast Asia - rather than in Mesopotamia where it is usually placed - was the lost civilisation that fertilised the Great cultures of the Middle East 6 thousand years ago.
He produces evidence from ethnography, archaeology, oceanography, from creation stories, myths and sagas and from linguistics and DNA analysis, to argue that this founder civilisation was destroyed by a catastrophic flood, caused by a rapid rise in the sea level at the end of the last ice age."

40 posted on 03/26/2005 2:26:39 PM PST by blam
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