Posted on 03/14/2005 7:01:07 PM PST by freeholland
Absent a further court order, Terri Schiavo's feeding tube will be removed on Friday, and she will starve -- painfully, many say -- to death. Doesn't it strike you as eerie that the court relied on the testimony of an "estranged" husband in making its decision?
Doesn't it strike you as horrifying that Terri may very well want to live but they are going to cause her to die, not by removing a respirator, but a feeding tube?
Do you really believe that Terri's husband, Michael, who is living with another woman with whom he sired two children, is refusing to relinquish guardianship of Terri to her parents because he is irreversibly committed to carrying out Terri's wishes?
Do you believe that disabled, but conscious and self-breathing people who can't physically feed themselves or verbally express their desire to live, but who have left no written legal directions as to their destiny in such circumstances, should be starved to death?
How likely is it that Terri, now only 41 years old, would have discussed her wishes as to life support with her husband in 1990, when she would have only been in her mid-twenties and with no inkling of life-threatening or disabling medical conditions?
Without question, even young people discuss these unpleasant matters when they go through the process of estate planning. But Terri didn't even have a will, much less a "living will" or health care power of attorney. If Terri had been so strong willed and adamant on the subject, why didn't she make sure to get her papers in order?
Even if Terri did tell her husband she wouldn't want to be kept alive "artificially" in the event of her incapacitation, is it likely she would have been so explicit as to cover all possible scenarios (like she might have in a lawyer's office), such as those in this case? If you actually believe she did express her wishes to Michael, do you think she was so thorough and unambiguous as to make clear her irrevocable desire to die even if it meant starving to death when she could breathe on her own?
What is the urgency, other than financial, to end Terri's life, especially when her parents have expressed a desire that she be kept alive and have agreed to care for and assume guardianship over her? Do you really believe that Terri's parents would insist on keeping her alive if they believed she were miserable and didn't want to go on living?
Were you aware that some believe that suspicious circumstances surround Terri's injuries and that discrepancies exist concerning her medical condition, such as whether she suffered a heart attack?
Did you know that not long ago the Florida Department of Children and Families sought the court's permission to intervene in Terri's case for the purpose of requesting a delay to give it time to investigate abuse allegations?
From what I've read, while Terri is severely disabled, she's not in a so-called vegetative state, she's not in a coma, and she's not medically terminal -- except by court decree of starvation. What if, as Terri's parents believe, Terri truly does want to go on living but just can't verbally express it? Would it be ethical in that event to starve her just because she can't feed herself?
If not, then on what basis has the system decided to terminate her life? Surely we can agree that it's entirely possible that Terri does want to live even in her current condition and even if she expressed a general desire 15 years ago that she would not want "heroic measures" performed to save her in certain circumstances.
Given Terri's reported responsiveness, her ability to breathe on her own, and the doubt and suspicious circumstances surrounding this case, shouldn't the question be resolved in favor of life, especially given what we've seen recently, for example, with the comatose patient regaining consciousness after 19 years?
I find it haunting that we live in a culture of death where the presumption seems to be against finding that a human being would want to go on living and the burden of proof is on those promoting life.
Terri Schiavo and her parents need and deserve our prayers.
What if you read this and start to catch a clue?
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i believe that in the war on abortion(i'm included) many have lost site that people do die. pro-life is not pro-stupid. pulling the tube isn't murder, it's allowing nature to do it's business. let that poor girl die. there is a God, let her meet him.
Great to READ this article of support for Terri's right to life by David Limbaugh!
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ALWAYS err on the SIDE of LIFE!
No room for Terri on the evening news. Plenty of room for the Atlanta courthouse shooting, the Wisconsin church shootings, etc. Hey MSM, there's different kinds of violence, and you should report the upcoming termination of Terri Schiavo's life as an act of spousal violence.
How long can you live without food and water? If you think it's right to deny Terri food and water because of her disabilities, do you think it would be right to do the same to you?
disabilities and being brain dead are not the same.
What? "May" want to live? You mean you didn't ask her? Oh, thats right..you can't, because she is comatose.
Isn't DAVID LIMBAUGH Rush Limbaugh's brother?
I like him very much because, unlike his brother, he speaks of issues his brother is afraid to and that concern me very much, and should concern every America. Issues such life, immigration and Christianity.
God bless you David. Please don't stop the presses.
every America = every American
I didn't think you knew that. Since you admit to knowing the difference, what is your justification for wanting her murdered?
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Terri watching a balloon - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-balloon.rmm
Terri's alert eyes - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-big_eyes.rmm
Terri responds to cold - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-hows_that_cold.rmm
Terri responds to her Mom - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-mum.rmm
Terri responds to music - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-music.rmm
Terri responds to touch - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-swab.rmm
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A Conversation with Terri - http://hometown.aol.com/GordonWWatts/myhomepage/ConversationWithTerri.wmv
She is not comatose.
Nothing new here.
The person in these videos is Terri Schiavo, not to be confused with the coma patient you referred to.
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Terri watching a balloon - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-balloon.rmm
Terri's alert eyes - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-big_eyes.rmm
Terri responds to cold - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-hows_that_cold.rmm
Terri responds to her Mom - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-mum.rmm
Terri responds to music - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-music.rmm
Terri responds to touch - http://www.multistalkervictims.org/other/video/terri-swab.rmm
Windows Media Player
A Conversation with Terri - http://hometown.aol.com/GordonWWatts/myhomepage/ConversationWithTerri.wmv
Don't be a moron. Terri's NOT brain dead! If she were, she wouldn't be able to breathe on her own, her heart would not regulate on its own, and many other things. Don't believe the lies of the MSM. If you didn't believe them about George Bush going AWOL, and you didn't believe them about John Kerry's earning three purple hearts in four months time, then why would you believe the garbage they put out over this? There's so much more to Terri's story than what you get from the mainstream press.
The situation of Terri Schiavo is totally diabolical. Not only will she be murdered by judicial fiat without some form of legislative intervention at a level that cannot be tampered with by the judiciary, but this case defies any humane reason save for something utterly Evil behind it. It also points out the total hypocrisy of so many liberals and Left victimologists who would fawn over her if she was incarcerated as a convisted murderess and facing a death sentence. This hypocrisy goes triple for the silence of so many liberal Christians and Jews who have condemned themselves by their utter silence.
The list of silent leaders and celebrities is endless. Where are the Clintons, the Deans, the Obamas, the Sarandons, the Gores? What prominent Democrat has even uttered a word? Aside from Mel Gibson, what other big Hollywood name has spoken up?
Where is her bishop, Bishop Lynch? Sitting his big axx on a fence of meally-mouth evasions. And placing his corpulent soul in jeopardy
Her husband is endangering his own soul. More than that, he is endangering his mind. He will be haunted, tortured and pursued for all eternity. Even the pagan Greeks knew that Furies will get him. Michael is truly the dead man walking. He has sold out his soul to the Devil.
Then, you should let nature do it's course with YOU, and YOU stop allowing YOURSELF to have food and water to let "poor postaldave die."
Welcome, and I thank God you see the light. So many people that start out like you stay that way - they stick to their arguments like glue, no matter how much evidence and research is pointed their way. Enough to drive one crazy. Anyway, what IF Terri was brain dead? Is it up to us to take her life?? I feel that she should die naturally, when her body gives up, and I don't mean by helping her along by taking away her food and water. That is too horrifying to even think about, let alone do.
Terri is 41. She is responsive. This is Hitlerish. Terri should be able to swallow by now, but her husband discontinued her therapy in the early 90s. Why?
To: postaldave
Yes----to not put food into the tube that runs into Terri's stomach IS murder by starvation...and it hurts.. It is just like NOT FEEDING an INFANT with a bottle or lifting a spoon to its mouth WILL RESULT IN STARVATION.
ALWAYS err on the SIDE of LIFE!
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We can reverse life, but not death.
Allowing women to die during childbirth was natural. Allowing children to be paralyzed by Polio was a natural. And with that reasoning we can say that Terri's death is natural too. They don't even starve dogs to death.
Wouldn't God have taken her already if he wanted her to come back home? Why is she still alive then? It seems to me that God has a strong desire for her to still be alive at this moment.
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I'm a true believer in "God's will" and such I believe everything has a reason. It is of my belief that Terri has survived to teach us all a lesson. Perhaps we don't know what that lesson is yet, but certainly it will become an epicenter of something much larger.
No judge has the right under the Constitution to deny someone the right to the pursuit of happiness, unless of course that person has been convicted of a crime that warrants the death penalty. Terry has committed no crime. She did not ask to be in this state. More importantly, even if she did discuss her wishes with her "husband," I highly doubt she asked that she be starved to death.
This judge has stepped over not only his Constitutional responsibilities but also an unwritten tradition of what is considered human decency. He has no right to order that tube removed from Terri any more than he has a right to tell a mother she MUST abort her unborn child.
If you believe in God, like you elude to that you do, you certainly cannot believe that removing that tube is an act of God.
In these types of cases, I think of the person as being an instrument of God. To what purpose? To bring people together in a united purpose? To see how each of us will react? Can we relate to someone that we don't even know? Can we feel sympathy, injustice, compassion and love for someone that we don't know? Will we fight for someone that we don't know?
Good show. I missed it.
Don't know. Perhaps. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
This is what gets to me the most. Why are they doing this to her? Why are they being ALLOWED to do this to Terri? Why is the system failing her and her parents? She did not leave a living will so why are they taking her hino's word for it and even still, it is not in writing. WHY, WHY, WHY?
REPUBLIC WROTE:
"""Yes----to not put food into the tube that runs into Terri's stomach IS murder by starvation...and it hurts.. It is just like NOT FEEDING an INFANT with a bottle or lifting a spoon to its mouth WILL RESULT IN STARVATION.
ALWAYS err on the SIDE of LIFE!"""
I totally agree with you, Republic~!!!!!
I also agree with everything single word David L wrote. Why can't the MEDIA understand what's going on?
Or do they know, and don't care - or worse yet -
DO SOME OF THEM REALIZE IT'S MURDER AND THEY AGREE??
You wrote:i repent,
i've been listening to neil bortz and he said these videos were frauds. now that i see them, i believe he is wrong.
i started reading free republic after rathergate to get the whole truth and nothing but the truth. after seeing these videos, i believe you are correct. this women is not brain dead. she is not all there but this is clearly a being that would feel the effect of starvation and dehydration.
thank you for your correction.
CONGRATULATIONS on considering the evidence, postaldave.
Neal Boortz is doing terrible harm to an innocent, disabled woman. What can we do?
i have no idea but some of these talk shows host are starting to piss me off. they are getting as bad as the libs when it comes to flat out lying about topics just to support their overall views.
Why is Judge Greer making such a big deal over not feeding her by mouth? I believe that Judge Greer, Michael Schiavo, and his attorney all believe that she could be rehabilitated and isn't in a PVS. If she was in a PVS and could not feel pain, what would it matter to them if she choked on food? She would die within a few minutes instead of 1-2 weeks. This proves that they all know.
They are worse than cruel and inhumane. They are all liars, sadists and murderers who are trying to prove a point and win one for the liberal Hitlers of this world.
Pray not only for Terry and her family, but also for Judge Greer, Michael Schiavo and his attorney. What a hopless life, devoid of joy, they must lead without the Lord.
Some see, some don't, you do.
"if a person IS in fact brain dead i still think you should let them die, it's their time even if we could keep their body function going. i'll never change my opinion on that but it's clear to me now that this is not the case with her.
sometimes keeping a body alive is the easy way out but not the correct thing to do. with science progressing as it is we could end up keeping everyone alive forever but that doesn't mean it's right."
You showed that you are a reasonable human being by taking a look at the evidence regarding Terri. I am one who also believes that to starve this woman to death would be not only sinful, but an act of torture. However, I also believe as you do, that keeping a person on "life support", when the only reason they are living is because of an "extreme" medical procedure, is wrong. Unless, of course, the patient had asked for "extreme measures" be taken. Most of the people I know do NOT want to be in a tug of war sitution with God's plan for them. In Terri's case, that is not the situation as far as we know.
You choose to ignore the fact that "that girl" isn't dying and isn't terminal. As long as she receives food and water, she may be able to live a normal lifespan. And with the help of therapy, she may even be able to get a lot better. There also apparently isn't anything wrong with her heart. She could probably even swallow food (or be taught again to swallow food), since she can swallow her own saliva--however, her husband-in-name-only (HINO) and the judge are hell-bent on murdering her.
That's right--it's murder--not simply "letting her die" as one might do for a truly terminal-condition patient. Again, she's not terminal--she's merely "inconvenient" to her HINO, and apparently has been chosen as a test case for the euthanasia crowd.
Does anyone know if Judge Greer has ever even went to see Terri for himself?
Lies in the media are the tool being used to keep Terri a prisoner in a hospice where she can be tortured to death.
l. Terri is not in a coma.
2. Terri is not brain dead.
3. Nurses testified she can speak a few words and swallow but were terminated by the hospice when they reported Michael's abuse of Terri.
This is not a PVS case. THIS IS A DOMESTIC ABUSE CASE.
good grief people catch on the thread.(grin)
please read the other post.
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