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U.S. Says It Has Withdrawn From World Judicial Body
NY Times ^
| March 10, 2005
| ADAM LIPTAK
Posted on 03/09/2005 8:35:05 PM PST by neverdem
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To: vannrox
Big deal. The US and every other contry routinely withdraws jurisdiction from the International Court of Justice. The ICJ is something of a joke in legal circles to begin with. It exists mostly for political grandstanding since its decisions cannot be enforced.
"'The State of Texas believes no international court supersedes the laws of Texas or the laws of the United States,' Mr. Strickland said. 'We respectfully believe the executive determination exceeds the constitutional bounds for federal authority.'"
There is this thing called the treaty power in the Constitution. One treaty we entered into specifies that nationals who are arrested have a right to meet with consulate personnel. Texas as a state, is legally bound to go along with federally approved treaties. Unfortunately, Texas seems to be too lazy to comply with legitimate federal law. Texas should follow the law just like everyone else and quit its whining.
If we don't follow the treaty, then the next time an American gets arrested in Mexico, Mexican authorities may very well decline to uphold the American's rights under the treaty. (This is the legal principle of reciprocity - if we breach a treaty with Mexico, they get to breach that same treaty with respect to us). Remember this the next time you visit Mexico and see the policia taking an interest in you.
To: OXENinFLA; Peach
Thanks for the ping. It's a start..
122
posted on
03/10/2005 6:58:10 AM PST
by
prairiebreeze
(I am an Americanist. Deal with it.)
To: AKSurprise
I would love to see France et. al. have no voting power. Kind of looks as if Bush is already rendering them impotent. ADN is a good idea. Let's spend our political capital and put a down payment on democracy!
123
posted on
03/10/2005 7:00:33 AM PST
by
CAluvdubya
(Looking for a new tagline........old one annoyed me)
To: potlatch
Sounds like good news to me!
124
posted on
03/10/2005 7:09:35 AM PST
by
MeekOneGOP
(There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
To: NautiNurse
Why do people keep posting this falsehood. Kennedy never said that nor did the Court BASE any ruling on international law? Such false statements make this site look looney.
To: JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; Pro-Bush; ...
WORLD COURT TELLING TEXAS THEIR LAW IS THE LAW OF THE LAND - ping.
(Who's in charge of law in America - America or the World Court?)
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Prompted by an international tribunal's decision last year ordering new hearings for 51 Mexicans on death rows in the United States, the State Department said yesterday that the United States had withdrawn from the protocol that gave the tribunal jurisdiction to hear such disputes.
The withdrawal followed a Feb. 28 memorandum from President Bush to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales directing state courts to abide by the decision of the tribunal, the International Court of Justice in The Hague.
The decision required American courts to grant "review and reconsideration" to claims that the inmates' cases had been hurt by the failure of local authorities to allow them to contact consular officials.
"The State of Texas believes no international court supersedes the laws of Texas or the laws of the United States," Mr. Strickland said. "We respectfully believe the executive determination exceeds the constitutional bounds for federal authority."
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posted on
03/10/2005 7:17:26 AM PST
by
Happy2BMe
(Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
To: justshutupandtakeit
Fine--change international law to international opinion in Kennedy's opinion.
127
posted on
03/10/2005 7:33:25 AM PST
by
NautiNurse
(Osama bin Laden has more tapes than Steely Dan)
Comment #128 Removed by Moderator
To: yankeedame
I have been patient for a very long time. I am not waiting any longer. I have come up with an evil plan to rid the US of the UN, and you are welcome to join me if you can keep in on the down-low.
At midnight, I am going to go to the UN building and I am going to fill the entire place with shaving cream. They will never...be able...to use it...again!!!!BWAAAHHHAAAAHAAAHAAA!WAaaHHAAAHHAAAAHHAAAA!That is my evil laugh
129
posted on
03/10/2005 7:37:53 AM PST
by
teenyelliott
(Soylent green is made of liberals...)
To: Happy2BMe
The withdrawal followed a Feb. 28 memorandum from President Bush to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales directing state courts to abide by the decision of the tribunal, the International Court of Justice in The Hague.
>>>
How long did it take Alberto??? Good grief. Freaking globalists...WHAT OATH ??? TELL ME, WHAT OATH??????
130
posted on
03/10/2005 7:39:33 AM PST
by
ApesForEvolution
(I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
To: ApesForEvolution
The impression here is that special favors are being given to Mexican felons over other foreign murderers (those that have killed American citizens) as a gift to Vincinte Fox.
Not a good impression.
Are these murderers (and that is what they are) worthy of special favors?
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America's Most Dangerous Gang - MS13 - Violent, Vicious, and Spreading Fast.
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"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans." --Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985
131
posted on
03/10/2005 7:58:44 AM PST
by
Happy2BMe
(Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
To: Happy2BMe
132
posted on
03/10/2005 8:00:52 AM PST
by
ApesForEvolution
(I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
To: Happy2BMe
"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans." --Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985
133
posted on
03/10/2005 8:02:32 AM PST
by
ApesForEvolution
(I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
To: Happy2BMe
sKerry and tomtomharkin's comrade Ortega on the prowl again BTTT
134
posted on
03/10/2005 8:03:26 AM PST
by
ApesForEvolution
(I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
To: teenyelliott
135
posted on
03/10/2005 8:59:22 AM PST
by
BayouCoyote
(The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
To: kittymyrib
Every Mexican murderer needs to have his execution put on the fast track as of yesterday. Every Mexican murderer needs to have his execution put on reality broadcast TV shows.
136
posted on
03/10/2005 9:02:22 AM PST
by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
To: BayouCoyote
I have a plan. Read post 129. You in?
137
posted on
03/10/2005 9:05:20 AM PST
by
teenyelliott
(Soylent green is made of liberals...)
To: teenyelliott
You could simply leave soap and deodorant laying around... it would scare the French off permanently, at least.
138
posted on
03/10/2005 10:04:30 AM PST
by
kevkrom
(If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
To: New Orleans Slim
If we don't follow the treaty, then the next time an American gets arrested in Mexico, Mexican authorities may very well decline to uphold the American's rights under the treaty.That's what they do now, and have been doing forever. How else can they require relatives of jailed Americans to pay for room & bard(!) while in jail and extract other extortions before releasing their prisoners?
You need to get out more.
139
posted on
03/10/2005 10:04:47 AM PST
by
Publius6961
(The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
To: justshutupandtakeit
Because a) it's true; and b) Yes, they did, or said they did.
140
posted on
03/10/2005 10:07:37 AM PST
by
Publius6961
(The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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