Skip to comments.Gun shoppers on terrorism watch list
Posted on 03/09/2005 9:07:40 AM PST by TERMINATTOR
Law won't let state learn outcome of attempts
At least four people on the FBI terrorism watch list have tried to buy guns legally in Colorado since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation said Tuesday.
The FBI was notified immediately when the CBI's instant background checks for would-be gun purchasers found matches with names on the list, CBI deputy director Bob Armstrong said.
But the four weren't taken into custody because there were no warrants out for their arrest, Armstrong said.
A person on the list isn't automatically disqualified from buying a gun. Only certain factors can prevent a gun purchase, such as being a felon, an illegal immigrant or someone deemed "mentally defective."
Armstrong could not say if the four people passed their background checks and were permitted to buy weapons, partially because there might be an ongoing investigation of them. In addition, state and federal laws require records on gun purchasers to be destroyed within 24 hours. As a result, he can't look them up.
The law requiring quick destruction of gun-check records passed because gun owners feared that they would amount to a registry of firearms owners.
There may have been more than four people on the terrorism watch list who tried to buy guns in Colorado, Armstrong said. He said he simply remembers at least four.
A new report by the Government Accountability Office found that in nine months last year, 47 people on the watch list legally bought guns in the United States.
That report seemed to support law enforcement concerns that people with terrorism links could legally buy an assault weapon and then use it in an attack.
Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., who requested the GAO study, said he plans to introduce legislation that would require the Justice Department to keep records of gun purchases by terror suspects for 10 years.
"When the Justice Department destroys these records in 24 hours, they are essentially aiding and abetting terrorist organizations," Lautenberg said. "It's time to end this nonsensical and dangerous policy."
Even though the records of CBI's instant background checks are destroyed, the FBI is notified when a terrorism suspect tries to buy a firearm, and keeps a record of it in its intelligence file on the person, Denver FBI spokesman Carl Schlaff said.
"If we plan to arrest him, we might want to know if he bought a stockpile of guns," Schlaff said.
Schlaff said there's no cause to deny someone a gun just because he or she is on the watch list. Some people are on the list simply because the FBI wants to interview them about someone else who may have a connection to terrorism. "You're innocent until proven guilty," he said.
Sometimes the watch list will warn local law enforcement to contact the FBI about a person on the list immediately. In other cases, it says only to be aware that the FBI is interested in the person, Schlaff said.
Federal agencies also use watch lists for drug cases and other crimes, Schlaff said.
For example, a sheriff near the Mexican border might pull over a driver who shows up on the Drug Enforcement Administration watch list. The officer might be told that the suspect typically carries his smuggled drugs in the gas tank, and the officer could call for a dog to check, Schlaff said.
Government was not granted the power to infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms, so there are no "gun laws". To make that perfectly clear to would be tyrants (Whigs/Republicans and Democrats), the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution.
Cruel and unusual punishment, such as ex-cons alleged loss of civil rights, is specifically prohibited under the Eighth Amendment.
Databases and background checks were not among the powers granted to gov either. To make that perfectly clear to the aforementioned tyrants, the Fourth and Fifth Amendments were added to the Constitution.
Legislating and prosecuting Pre-crime, thought-crime, "terrorists", and "gangs" was not granted to gov. The First, Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth Amendments cover this.
Doesn't anyone read the Constitution, or have any regard for the rule of law nowadays? Of the BOR, the only Amendment the gov doesn't violate on a daily basis is the Third (quartering of troups).
Arrest tyrants, not gun owners!
What does it take to get on a terror watch list?
You just made the list, buddy.
I wouldn't worry too much. We have all heard about innocent people with the same name as a suspected terrorist being prevented from flying. Probably the same thing here.
Certainly not the Supreme Court. They rule according to what OTHER NATIONS are doing.
Since the liberals answer to everything is more laws, why don't we just pass a law requiring terrorists to register with local law enforcement like sex offenders? (sarc)
Thanks for posting!
>>>>Doesn't anyone read the Constitution, or have any regard for the rule of law nowadays?<<<<
But then ask them about asking voters to produce ID...
Wow! The whole article is spent undermining the claim of the title!
and how do you get a copy of this list?
Is this the same watch list that kept Edward Kennedy grounded?
Is this same watch list that time after time causes the same old lady to be pulled out the security line?
prepared testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence by the FBI and CIA Chiefs..
"However, the right-wing Patriot movement -- consisting of militias, common law courts, tax protesters, and other anti-government extremists -- remains a continuing threat in America today. Sporadic incidents resulting in direct clashes with law enforcement are possible and will most likely involve state and local law enforcement personnel, such as highway patrol officers and sheriff's deputies. "
i have a pamphlet made by the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force for law enforcement to educate them on what it defines as "Domestic Terrorism" - " groups or individuals operating entirely inside the US, attempting to influence the US gvt or population to effect political or social change by engaging in criminal activity."
then they list these groups and individuals to help identify potential domestic terroristm:
- "defenders" of the US Constitution against federal gvt and the UN (Super Patriots).
- groups of individuals engaged in para-militay training.
- skinheads nazizm neo-nazis (recognized by tatoos)
- Black supremists
- Christian identity
- white nationalists
Common Law Movement Proponents
- fictional licence plates
- no licence plates
-fictional drivers licence
-no drivers license
- refuse to identify themselves
-request authority for stop
-makes numerous references to US Constitution
- claims driving is righ not a privilege
-attempt to police the police
no mention of mooslim extremists...
Title: To expand the powers of the Attorney General to regulate the manufacture, distribution, and sale of firearms and ammunition, and to expand the jurisdiction of the Attorney General to include firearm products and nonpowder firearms.
Sponsor: Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. [RI-1] (introduced 2/9/2005) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/9/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
more detail on the bill 711:
I vote for "extremely dishonest."
Why do voters keep putting people like him in office.
THIS is where the "extemely stupid" answer is appropriate.
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