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1 posted on 03/08/2005 10:13:33 AM PST by Crackingham
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We didn't ambush her and we didn't kill her.

The real question is WHY NOT?

SO9

29 posted on 03/08/2005 10:28:32 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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31 posted on 03/08/2005 10:29:33 AM PST by Chinito (We ARE the people our parents warned us about....)
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Calipari didn't die "in a hail of bullets." He died from one fired at very close range, probably from a hand gun. And, she probably pulled the trigger! We'll know once the forensic examination has ended.

She is a long time Eurinal commie who would easily exchange the life of a government agent for a chance to give the US a black eye.

Just because she says the US troops shot Calipari doesn't mean that's fact. The US fire could have come in response to several shots from inside the car.

34 posted on 03/08/2005 10:33:27 AM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Would Harm America!")
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These Italians have some nerve! They "ransom" this communist with SIX MILLION DOLLARS to terrorists, which will fund the slaughter of who knows how many innocent people? She loves the terrorists anyway, who knows if she was really kidnapped or just doing fundraising for a cause she loves?

Why aren't people more outraged that Italy gave terrorists 6 million dollars? If they want to avoid harming innocent people, then their action is the biggest crime of all.


36 posted on 03/08/2005 10:34:51 AM PST by Mount Athos
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"We ask for truth and justice."

OK, you got it. She was a communist and was anti-American, anti-freedom and pro-terrorist. Need we say more?


39 posted on 03/08/2005 10:35:55 AM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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I hate to say it but now the Italians can screw themselves too.


40 posted on 03/08/2005 10:35:56 AM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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Our troops involved with this incident had the duty to make a split second judgment call....it was an unfortunate situation...but praise the Lord, our troops involved are still alive.


41 posted on 03/08/2005 10:37:04 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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"The car was travelling at a velocity that couldn't have been more than 40 kilometres (25 miles) per hour," Signor Fini said.

When you're supposed to be slowing to a stop, 25 mph is deadly so far as guys who are trying to stay alive is concerned.

42 posted on 03/08/2005 10:39:17 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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They really need to get off it. This isn't even a blip on the radar in 98 percent of American's lives. And for the other 2 percent of us that are aware, we couldn't give a rat's ass either.


43 posted on 03/08/2005 10:39:17 AM PST by riri
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"Yooooooooooooooo Gianfrancooooooooooo, we advise you to fahgetabut this little thing"


44 posted on 03/08/2005 10:41:37 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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So, let's let the Italians handle some of the checkpoints and see how they react in the same situation.


46 posted on 03/08/2005 10:44:27 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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"Signor Calipari had made 'all the necessary contacts' with US authorities in Baghdad, the minister said."

The vaugeness of this statement indicates that Calipari did not tell the U.S. Military that he would be driving into that checkpoint on the day of this accident. If he had told us, the foreign minister would have said so in a very specific statement. This general kind of statement indicates that Calipari told the U.S. Military he was working on the hostage release, but he did not keep our military informed about the timing of the hostage release and he didn't discuss the proper procedures for approaching the checkpoint on the airport road. Thus the Italians didn't know what signals we would use to tell them to stop their car and they missed the flashing lights and warning shots from the American soldiers. The Italian foreign minister sounds like he's covering up for Calipari's mistakes and the embarassment this screw-up would cause for his government.

This looks like a tragic comedy of errors by the Italian agents. Iraq is no place for one-man James Bond missions. Everyone has to coordinate their activities with the U.S. Military.

55 posted on 03/08/2005 10:55:11 AM PST by carl in alaska (The mission for today is golf. The mission code word is "Julius Boros".....)
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"The car was travelling at a velocity that couldn't have been more than 40 kilometres (25 miles) per hour," Signor Fini said.

And in a country where car bombs are as common as dirt, if you do not stop when told to, consider 25 to be your cruising speed toward certain death.

57 posted on 03/08/2005 10:58:11 AM PST by mother22wife21 (walking into a Gang War wearing plaid is dangerous, you're bound to be wearing offending colors)
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unreal the stink that has come about.

this incident proves one thing: if you are in iraq and are not cooperating and coordinating with our troops, your gonna get blasted. sounds like our soldiers did thier job...

and a wise word to any other italian spooks that may be reading: just because your a spook doesnt mean you can evade a US army patrol :P


63 posted on 03/08/2005 11:14:23 AM PST by inn8
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The Italians, well some of them, are just playing up to the population. Far as I'm concerned it's a dead issue. They coughed up money to pay off terrorists for the life of communist sympathetic to the terrorists. Knowing they were in the wrong they kept it from us and tried to run a checkpoint despite warnings. Agent tragically dies. Commie lives.

Ours guys aren't going to be punished for doing their job without the American people raising Hell. I do have faith in our military system, but just in case, we'll have their back.

The Italians will just have to play their anti-American games alone.


77 posted on 03/08/2005 12:45:12 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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I'm getting really sick of hearing this Communist Propagandist called a reporter. This woman didn't report she proselytized communism. I seriously doubt that she was really kidnapped at all.
85 posted on 03/08/2005 1:40:02 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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"The car was travelling at a velocity that couldn't have been more than 40 kilometres (25 miles) per hour," Signor Fini said.

How does he know?

86 posted on 03/08/2005 1:42:48 PM PST by eyespysomething (Vous pouvez vous rendre au garde de securite!)
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I caught a few minutes of this lying woman on CNN this am. She was saying, "It's not for me to say it was an ambush. But it looked like an ambush. They did ambush us. It was an ambush. We were only going 20 mph, They were on the side of the road, and we had no idea it was a checkpoint. They were more or less hiding there, as if in ambush. The soldiers didn't signal, shine lights of warning or call out or shoot warning shots in the air. They tried to kill us. We were targeted."

CNN said she had no proof to back up her claims, and that US soldiers said they were driving at a high speed, ignored warning lights, shouts, waved arms, and warning shots. Finally, after trying all that, the soldiers fired into the engine block to stop the car. CNN made no comment about the Italian woman's account being ridiculous, clearly with an anti-American agenda, and that she probably ordered the driver to play 'chicken' at the checkpost to achieve an 'incident'. No speculation from CNN about the likelihood of what really happened, just deadpan repeating of that woman's lies. But they did say that several people had been killed at checkpoints since January, that people get confused and frightened and try to blow past soldiers, which gets them killed.

But we're not dealing with an uneducated, illiterate Iraqi here, we're dealing with a so called journalist who supposedly can read and write and speak English. So what didn't she understand about STOP OR WE'LL SHOOT!


87 posted on 03/08/2005 1:55:03 PM PST by hershey
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Just posted this on another thread for discussion; thought I'd post it here as well. As I'm looking at the pics here and on the other thread (Sgrena's Car!) and trying to reconstruct the "crime scene", here's what I'm wondering about. The bullet holes all look to be towards the front of the car, with some on the driver's side and one that went directly through the driver's windshield near the wiper, if I'm interpreting the circle in one of the photos correctly. According to Sgrena's account, "Nicola Calipari sat next to me. . .The driver started yelling that we were Italians. 'We are Italians, we are Italians.' Nicola Calipari threw himself on me to protect me and immediately, I repeat, immediately I heard his last breath as he was dying on me." Now it appears Calipari, the slain agent, was distinct from the driver, for the driver was quoted in an interview after the incident: "According to Italy's leading daily Corriere della Sera, the driver, an unidentified Italian agent, said: 'We were driving slowly, about 40-50 km/h (25-30 mph).'": Italian journalist freed in Iraq. So were Sgrena and Calipari squeezed into the front with the driver or in the back seat? If in the back, where are the bullet holes for the shots that killed Calipari? If in front, and if there's a bullet hole in the driver side of the windshield, how is it the driver's alive to be interviewed but Calipari's the one who's dead?
89 posted on 03/08/2005 2:09:56 PM PST by Fedora
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They have just been looking for an excuse.


99 posted on 03/08/2005 4:37:13 PM PST by corlorde (Without the home of the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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