Posted on 03/06/2005 6:47:28 AM PST by nhman1
I'll take this into consideration, Jason. Hmmmm... Did you ever think of becoming an attorney? In our brief encounters I'd say you would need little molding...
The damned. LOL
>>Those enumerated programs do indeed work, <<
yeah, and the socialist who put them in place agree with you. and our (your) tax dollars pay for the army of social workers who teach and enforce them. you have learned nothing from your experience.
long live FDR ( /sarcasm on)
An inch before a mile. I'll put you on the list of those who think I've learned nothing. Better insights to you...
I don't read his beliefs that way at all, particularly the Socio-Democratic mindset. Government which governs best is that which governs least. One of the very basic bulwarks of our system of government is that all who go before the law for judgement are treated, individually, as equals. No special treatment is to be afforded to individuals, nor special punishment is to be meted out to individuals, based upon the gender class to which that individual belongs.
He's not asking for special treatment, he's asking that our government stand up, at home, for the very basic tenets that it is professing to stand-up for throughout the world. What he seems to be saying is "Stand up and protect the rights of our own citizens in our own backyard before treking the world to afford these rights to strangers in strange lands".
If you want to look at Socialism in practice then take a hard look at the family court system. It is government intrusion into the family - it drives the philosophy of "It takes a villiage" to the extreme (government, not you, knows best for your children). It redistributes wealth. It rewards the unproductive at the expense of the productive.
The family court system is designed and tailored to benefit lawyers. By maximizing conflict between parents it maximizes billable hours. Granting equal access to the children in such situations would greatly reduce this conflict. And why do the bar associations oppose 50/50 parental access plans? Because it would cut into the profits of what is a cash cow for the legal profession. Family court is very much an industry - one that thrives on the misery it can induce in those going through it.
you'll change your mind when you find yourself in court again facing one of these "public servants" who's word/opinion is taken as gospel - evidence be damned. who do you think His Honor Judge Blackrobe will agree with - little ol you or Mz Social worker? hope that doesn't happen to you, but it happens every day to parents in courts in this country.
Wrong. I have come face to face with the GAL and understand perfectly, firsthand, the implications of having an attorney by a different name ostensibly speaking in the best interests of my child. A social worker is little different, in my view. You've attributed to me, however, a position that I never took. Please don't put words in my mouth. I know it happens every day in this country, and that is exactly why the presumption of equal parenting is key. It sounds like we are largely on the same side of the issue.
I know Judge Blackrobe well and don't understand how you came to the conclusion I advocate what you're claiming I do. The presumption of equality for fit parents is key... To children, to the family, and to society at large... When equality rules for parents and children, the other issues can be more effectively tackled. Stopping ex-parte hearings without notification of the accused is also a big step that is being considered, legislatively, in NH right now. Talk about violation of equal protection... Unbelievable...
i came to that conclusion because you yourself stated you advocated more monies be spent on these socialist programs.
all the rest of your last reply was off topic to what i was addressing - these socialist programs. i agree with equal parenting. i agree the lawyers cause friction to make more money. i also believe the actual well-being of the child is of no concern to the legal/social worker fraternity. it's nothing but a scam to make bucks for them and keep the bread winners beat down and obedient.
I never advocated any such thing. What I wrote is 'Invest in...' implying a continuance of investment in programs that are currently being invested in today, in lieu of the proposed new spending to market the current broken institution of Marriage as a beneficial financial vehicle. You said 'more monies...'. I did not.
Glad we agree on equal parenting.
well, "to continue to invest in" usually means "more monies" if you wanna nit-pick.
either way - any monies in socialist programs are counter to a Free Country such as a Republic. it makes us a socialist country. taking from the productive and re-destributing the wealth is the first tenent in socialism.
Oh. So THAT's why you posted your miserable story of injustice, so you could be IGNORED. We weren't supposed to actually disagree or offer opinions or even helpful advice. Just supposed to read it, agree that no one is as 'patriotic' as you, and then shut the hell up, right?
Keep fighting the good fight, Marc. It might help if you changed your communication style though. A bit less condescension would get you off to a good start and hey, you might even get some support!
You're mad, dammit. And somebody will pay!
I sense that explaining further to you would be pointless. If you don't get it then you either need to have another look at the 14th amendment in the context of these issues or just head back off trying to reserve a front row seat at the next RNC and forget everything else...
I don't disagree at all. My point was to not make things worse and to fix the problems that exist that relate to equal parenting. Taking money is one thing (though a dastardly one). Taking one's children is altogether another...
Forgive me for getting crass when all these know-it-alls indict me for complaining vociferously on this topic. Again, they don't get it because it hasn't happened to them. It's the exact same reason most of the rest of the world doesn't get 9/11.
I appreciate your constructive feedback. I must tell you, though, that if people don't support this cause for the underlying issues and the sake of our children, families, and country as a whole there isn't likely to be a lot more ground gained through a politically correct delivery.
I believe, in fact, to the contrary, that a sense of disgust is necessary when presenting the issue after it has been ignored and shunned for so long...
LOL again. Petulant I may be, in your view. Self-pity I have very little of. So, there you're wrong. The next generation of poor SOBs and their children who will surely feel the same wrath require that this battle be fought, even when they themselves don't recognize at this moment the family justice fate that awaits them.
The very ordinariness of my predicament is exactly why you are mad for discounting the pervasive travesty of justice at hand. A true patriot would recognize the danger to his beloved society. You clearly do not...
I don't much care about your insulting quips. Self-grandiosity is surely yours, isn't it? This whole country will pay, by the way (and is right now, though you are likely too short-sighted and narrow of focus to recognize it)... That is apparently the one thing we agree upon. Oh wait, your tongue was in cheek yet again and you were insulting... Sorry about that. I guess we don't agree on anything at all...
Thanks so much as you battle for my freedoms, wise one...
I do hope you are able to overcome the difficulties and judicial roadblocks in your personal situation, Marc. I also agree with you about the need for attention about families and child custody issues. I can also understand how it would seem unpatriotic to you that everyone cares about safety from terrorism because thousands of people can die at one time while you (and others who are victims of family law injustice) die a little each day and no one seems to care. However, I don't think it's good to ask people to follow your ideas for change while essentially calling them lesser-thans.
Sarcasm is effective, to a point, but not when it's extreme and bitter. That is how you came across in your initial post. Only when you replied in a more 'gracious' manner did I understand where you're coming from.
You may not like it, but I'm going to pray for you and your daughter.
You never stopped being a patriotic American....In suporting family reform in the justice system...Isnt that the American spirit..
good luck Marc.
it's my sad belief that Republicans won't be standing up for Judical tyrany (or any other tyrany) until a Democrat is in office again. they seem to think we can bask in some percieved "utopia" and not watch and check in law makers nor the law intepreters. for proof check out the "vote" on the side bar. apathetic and sad....
"'Falling Down"-Michael Douglas
Thanks for the critique and the comments. My personal situation is stable, frankly. It's been several years now and my daughter and I have found a relative equilibrium. As I said, I am one of the fortunate ones who had the means to fight for access to her...
It's very sad, actually (not pointing directly at you when I say this), how people almost invariably jump to the conclusion it's solely my personal situation and the trials and tribulations of myself and my daughter that drives my position. That is not accurate. This giant mess is undermining our entire country and indeed our very civilization. It's also a devastating tragedy for the individuals (parents and children) who get rung as new statistics every day. It is both a local and national issue. It is both an individual and a societal problem, as well.
Those who jump to conclusions and label me immediately and thoughtlessly as an angry malcontent bent on revenge are just more of the same who have discarded this issue for decades because it didn't seem to affect them directly. A *true* patriot, and humanitarian, would care. The critical mass of supporters for national reform is coming. Those who dismiss or poopoo changes, though, or choose not to get educated before rendering an opinion based on ignorance shouldn't be so proud of their vaunted patriotism. I liken it to selling a beat up old street watch as a collector's Rolex...
By the way, you have misread and mistakenly overstated the sarcasm I intended in my original post. I assure you (and I know because I wrote it), I really wasn't joking...
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