Posted on 02/28/2005 1:27:01 AM PST by goldstategop
What’s the most significant event in U.S. history? The Declaration of Independence or victory over the Nazis, you might answer.
What’s the greatest event in pop culture? The 1980 U.S. Olympic Hockey victory over the Soviets in the Lake Placid Semi-finals, you might say.
Well, you would be wrong. At least, according to “8 Mile” and “24” producer Brian Grazer and his co-horts in the production of “Inside ‘Deep Throat’”.
To them, “Deep Throat,” the notorious porno flick about oral sex, is the greatest moment in U.S. history. At least, you’d think so, if you saw this absurd “documentary” about the making of DT and the “impact” it had on America.
Maybe that’s no surprise, since the other makers of this “documentary” also made a pro-Monica Lewinsky documentary for HBO. How nice that they’ve come full circle in their documentary repertoire on oral sex. Only in America.
The “film” parades a coterie of sagging, mostly-now-irrelevant lefties (Gore Vidal, anyone?) from the ‘70s, throughout its fawning celluloid troll down “Deep Throat” memory lane.
Author Erica Jong, lecturing us about oral sex, hardly comes off as a worldly feminist, when you can’t pay attention to a single annoying pronouncement she utters. How could you, with a giant painting of a naked fat chick sitting spread-eagle, looming obtrusively behind on her office wall? This is feminism? You’ve regressed a long way baby.
Norman Mailer, Dr. Ruth, Jong, Vidal, and the always annoying self-promoter Alan Dershowitz—all of them lecture us about the great free speech service “Deep Throat” performed by showing a giant, in your face Monica-&-Bill-esque servicing scene.
Puh-leeze. You don’t have to be a Constitutional scholar to know this is not what the Founding Fathers were concerned with when they authored the First Amendment.
Uncoincidentally, on the same day this documentary was released, “civil rights” attorney Lynne Stewart was convicted of helping her convicted terrorist client, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman (a conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing). While Stewart is not known for representing pornographers, many of her fellow self-anointed “civil rights” bar colleagues, are. Several of those, who in the age of “Deep Throat” were representing the “civil rights” of porn kings, now represent the “civil rights” of Islamic terrorists.
If terrorism and depraved, stupid porn flicks about oral sex are the best examples of free speech worth fighting for, let’s just give up now.
You don’t have to be a prude or moral crusader to get creeped out by this documentary lauding this low-life porn film. The makers of “Deep Throat” were creepy, then. But in old age, they’re not just creepy. They’re sad. They are old and decrepit, without a penny to their names from this porno flick that made $600 million and was distributed by mobsters. The aged producers can barely walk, let alone keep their Sansabelt pants up (for no reason having anything to do with sex).
The endings of all those associated with “Deep Throat” are depressing, fitting rewards for their “contribution” to society.
There’s “filmmaker” Gerard Damiano. He was a sleazy hairdresser with a bad goatee and a bouffant hairdo, when he made “Deep Throat” in 1972. Today, his thinning hair is not so bouffant-ish, and his uneven goatee? The beatnik-era called, and it wants its badly done facial hair back. This pathetic old man can do nothing more than lament that he’s basically broke (the mob made the money on his “investment,” not him). And bitch and moan about how bummed he is that hard-core porn never became a regular basic of general family movie viewing coming out of Hollywood. Gee, whatta tragedy.
“Inside ‘Deep Throat’” footage of Damiano and the other old farts who made the porn “film” gets cheap laughs by showing them swearing. Old men swearing . . . . that might be funny once when they’re comedic actors in a Touchstone film, not real-life, washed-up porn-makers. Here, it’s just a lame crutch for guys whose depressing lives are now spent in G-d’s waiting room and they don’t have much to show for it, except being sleaze bags. Damiano’s granddaughter is a silly fire-dancer, the kind who’d be on Letterman’s “Stupid Human Tricks.”
Nice epitaph: Made a graphic oral sex porno, died penniless (while the film made $600 mill), progeny dances with fire in spandex outfit.
The only man associated with “Deep Throat” who is happy, successful, and alive, today, is Harry Reems, the movie’s co-star. That’s because he’s now Herb Streicher, a born-again Christian in Utah who is selling a positive product in America—real estate.
Linda Lovelace, the film’s star, is dead. She died broke and shriveled in 2002 in a car accident. After first making a “film” in which she has sex with dogs, then starring in “Deep Throat” and assorted other porn flicks, she claimed she’d been forced to make “Deep Throat” at gunpoint—hardly believable. A failed single mother, she got fired from every job, and could barely raise her two kids. Her surviving daughter was offered the starring role in “Deep Throat 7.” A proud legacy.
A Miami theater operator’s wife fears for him during his on-screen interview, believing that 33 years later the flick’s mafia distributors will put a hit out on them.
The rest of “Deep Throat’s” “alumni” met equal misfortune and destitution as a result of their production of this cinematic piece of dung.
But does “Inside ‘Deep Throat’” ask, Gee, why are all of the people associated with this film, broke, depressed, dead, or all three (except the one who found religion)?
No.
Does “Inside ‘Deep Throat’” show us the advent of AIDS and other deadly diseases and cancers brought on by the rampant, joyless behavior spawned by the industry “Deep Throat” helped unleash? Does it mention all the porn stars who’ve been diagnosed with AIDS, some of whom died? The addicts porn created and the families it destroyed?
No.
Instead, the message is: How sad that porn never became part of our mainstream Academy Award-style movies. How sad that porn doesn’t have “clever” plots like the “clever” plot of “Deep Throat” (because that’s why porn patrons watch porn, for the “plot,” right?).
The message is: How sad that at the annual porn industry convention in Vegas, today’s porn stars don’t know who Linda Lovelace is. We’re supposed to be outraged by this, as if it’s the same as a tenth grader not being able to name a Founding Father.
The real sadness is that some tenth graders can’t name a Founding Father of this country, but most know the name Ron Jeremy, a founding father and big name in the world of pornography.
The real sadness is that with such a shortage of good things coming out of Hollywood, they choose make a servile documentary about “Deep Throat.”
And that it’s so “mainstream,” it’s not just for dirty old men in raincoats anymore.
(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")
Mainstream Hollywood is WORSE than the porno industry.
Porn is porn, it's not that complicated. Hollywood twists values to their worst. Even porn stars would admit they're nothing special, while celebrities like Sarandon and Penn won't shut up about national policy. We can hide away porn from kids. It's much harder to explain to them why some G-rated films are really political propoganda, filled with tripe and idiotic lessons. (Any Disney film made after 1989 qualifies in this respect.)
(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")
"If terrorism and depraved, stupid porn flicks about oral sex are the best examples of free speech worth fighting for, let’s just give up now."
I'm sorry, but I fail to see your connection between porn and terrorism. Terrorism is not viewed as a form of free speech. However, porn is a form of expression. You may disagree with that form of expression, but that is why the first amendment exists: to protect the freedom of people to express what not everyone wants to hear. Also, if you really want to argue what the founding fathers meant by the amendments, lets try the 2nd: the right to bear arms. This was meant for men serving in the militia to make and keep the United States free and safe though in recent times, it is interpreted that everyone should be able to carry their gun with them because they "have the right to bear arms." However, I have digressed, By lumping terrorism and porn together simply because they have been represented by the same attorneys is ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to a lawyer to ensure that swift and sound justice is employed in this country.
"Will Debbie be promoting this column on Howard Stern later today, as she often does?"
Debbie does Howard Stern?
Now there's a thought capable of curdling the non-fat dairy substitute in one's coffee. Ewwwww!
You may call porn an expression but in reality its an audio/visual depiction of the human sex act. Sort of like a documentary. Would you rush to legitimize a movie made about someone defecating all over the place? How about bondage and group sex acts? Are they just an expression, too?
Welcome to Freerepublic. (since 2005-02-24)
You've been here less than a week and your already hijacking our porn threads?
"Hollywood IS a moral cesspool. So they will make a documentary about Deep Throat."
I was 10 when Deep Throat came out and I remember it making quite a splash. Is it news-worthy now (I think it was back then)? Is it worth a historical reference? Maybe. This documentary isn't something I'd rush out to see. (I prefer a film like Riding Giants, a surf movie, not a porn flick ;) Lumping all of Hollywood behind this Deep Throat work isn't really fair. I'm sure the film industry employs a lot of decent people, both in front of and behind the camera.
Re Post 5 KLH23 the posters on FR are merely observing that people who want to do away with the 2nd Amendment, relegate the 1st Amendment to clitori in the throat indulge in terrorism and the harboring and protecting of terrorists all have common threads joining them together much like a mutual leftist self admiration society...
...to put is more simply, it seems flies and shxt still are found together and observedly mutually attractive
Gee, is it that they dared make a movie called Debbie Does Dallas?
Sorry, the movie did make history. For a time, porn became part of our culture, openly discussed and experienced by many. Note - in 2002 dollars, $600 million is 2 and 1/2 billion dollars. Any recent movies make over $2 billion?
You know -reading this thread instantly popped into my mind an idea for a title if anyone chose to do a documentary exposing the myths and lies surrounding the 'gay' homosexual deathstyle (aka lifestyle)
The title: Deep Colon
ROTFLMAO
Little Nicky was kinda Hollywood Porn. For kids.
Certainly sick and disgusting and deserving of at least an R rating. But it was PG-13.
Does “Inside ‘Deep Throat’” show us the advent of AIDS and other deadly diseases and cancers brought on by the rampant, joyless behavior spawned by the industry “Deep Throat” helped unleash? Does it mention all the porn stars who’ve been diagnosed with AIDS, some of whom died? The addicts porn created and the families it destroyed?How they die: the Dead Porn Star Archive. AIDS, AIDS, AIDS, AIDS, dismembered in dumpster, AIDS, overdose, AIDS. . . .
Walmart sucks, porn is okay. What will your third FR post entail?
You won't understand the Second Amendment.
I can't understand why you're posting on this forum.
ping to self for later pingout.
(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")
Borda said there was a side of Savannah which the public wasn't privy to.
"She was Shannon in freckles and a ponytail, and then she was Savannah," noted Borda. Savannah apparently donated vast amounts of money to charities, particularly, The Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and was a noted soft touch among her friends.
"She was always paying her friends's rent, buying them clothes and picking up restaurant tabs," said Borda. "It seemed like this was expected of her."
The obituary goes on to say that she blew her brains out over a possible broken nose. I heard a different story. She and Slash, the guitarist for Guns N Roses, were an item. When he ditched her, she became despondent and wrecked her car. The car wreck messed her face up, and she killed herself over the whole thing.
I'm certainly not fond of the porno industry. I know from personal experience just how destructive it is, but let's keep in mind that not all of these people are rotten. In fact, Ron Jeremy cracks me up. I saw him at an Ozzfest several years ago, and he was introducing the bands on the second stage.
Linda Lovelace was before my time. I do recall interviews with her, though. She was a very troubled person who was taken advantage of.
Another poorly written screed by our favorite.
(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")
"By their fruits you shall know them" BUMP
I don't know about demand, but there certainly is a lot of begging.
While I disagree with Schlussel's view that DT was THE cultural event of the 20th century, I will observe that DT seemed to "open the floodgates" of porn that would come shortly thereafter. It's a cliche, but porn has "gone mainstream" in today's culture: Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie & Fitch, SI's Swimsuit Issue. If DT had not been released, I wonder whether we'd have as much smut as we do today.
Have you met the beeber yet?
(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")
1) She referred to Reems by his real name and as a born-again Christian. Wrong on both counts. In a recent article in the New York Daily News, Reems stated that he kept that name because he was not going to hide from who he was. He also stated he was a Methodist, not a Christian.
2) Schlussel basically called Linda Lovelace a liar. If she was such a liar, why didn't she spend the rest of her life singing the praises of her past, as other porn stars have done? No, she wrote two books on the subject (Ordeal and Out of Bondage) and testified in front of the Meese Commission. Lovelace was not proud by any means. She attacked the industry every chance she got, and the only reason she is no longer is because she is dead.
And who cares if Lovelace's daughter was allegedly offered the lead in Deep Throat 7? She did not do it, did she? That's what matters.
His third post will be a dare to be banned (and he will get his wish).
I think we conservatives around the world should band together and think about how we are going to address the entertainment industry just as effectively as we addressed the news media. Let's be honest, technical barriers to home high quality production are falling all the time: we have more and better cheap digital equipment than ever before.
It's time to find a way to set all this free - have ambitious conservative filmmakers make their wares and broadcast them on the web.
Regards, Ivan
"You may disagree with that form of expression, but that is why the first amendment exists: to protect the freedom of people to express what not everyone wants to hear. "
No it isn't. The first amendment exists in order to protect us from Congress clamping down on our political expression. Of course nowadays, political speech is being clamped down on by Congress in pursuit of "democracy" through "campaign finance reform" and porn is protected.
A more accurate post would have read: "Though you may disagree with my political expression, especially in the head of an election in which I pay good money to hammer incumbents, that is precisely what the first amendment protects."
I also note that with the subsequent interpretations of teh 14th A., we have applied teh 1st to the states and thus lost the liberty enhancing scheme of federalism. A sad day for liberty.
There was plenty of sex and plenty of procreation before porn.
And if you do a blue state/red state map together with a crime map and a porn consumption map and an abortion map, you will find, not surprisingly, that Democrat areas lead the nation in crime, porn consumption, abortion and low birth rates. Yet they claim to be having all the sex....i find that hard to believe. Two or three drug induced one nighters a year plus a lot of...porn viewing...does not constitute a fulfilling sex life. I think even sicko Democrats would agree with that.
Greed, perversion, cowardice, envy and stupidity = the Democrat base
Wow, that was good. It was much more in depth than my comment. Do you have any links you can share? I love this kind of data.
Me! Pick me!
Methodists aren't christian?
It really depends on how Reems defines Christian. He made that distinction, not me.
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