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Tanniker Smith

Posted on 02/24/2005 6:11:45 PM PST by Tanniker Smith

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To: SilentServiceCPOWife
What did you think about "Men In Black"?

Very good, it's my favorite of the three I mentioned. I went through it very quickly. I got a lot of it. I learned things about the courts, judges, and our own country's history that I didn't know before, and that was one of the great things about the book. Levin states the case for judicial reform better than I think I've heard anyone state it before.
51 posted on 02/24/2005 7:54:50 PM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Any Freepers who enjoy fantasy, I welcome to look at my FR homepage to take a look at my new book)
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief

1. "My Pet Goat."

2. Anything by Wilbur Smith


52 posted on 02/24/2005 7:57:45 PM PST by Ax (I learned all I needed to know about Islam during my two years in Saudi Arabia.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Great idea. Add me to the ping list.


53 posted on 02/24/2005 8:03:13 PM PST by elli1
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To: squarebarb
Quest novels have a central figure who strikes out in search of something -- and finds both helpers and those who impede him/her alng the way.

Just about every fantasy novel that I've read has a variation on that theme: The Hobbit, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the Chronicles of Prydain books by Lloyd Alexander (I'm especially fond of those, BTW), The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (I don't think most of the Narnia books strike me much as "quest" stories), and The Neverending Story (Which has two quests in one book!). Even the book I just had published has the quest theme, although it's more so in the second half.
54 posted on 02/24/2005 8:05:01 PM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Any Freepers who enjoy fantasy, I welcome to look at my FR homepage to take a look at my new book)
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To: AQGeiger
....Another excellent title is "A Conflict of Visions" by Thomas Sowell...

Thanks for the reference

I am very impressed with Sowell's work. His Vision of the Anointed gave me a remarkable whole framework to view current events. I highly recommend it.

55 posted on 02/24/2005 8:15:21 PM PST by ovs.in.texas
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To: RebelTex

Beowulf just about did me in, in the 9th grade!!!


56 posted on 02/24/2005 8:20:13 PM PST by Txsleuth (Call be anything...just don't call me a fringe poster)
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief
The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings are the granddaddies of quest fantasy novels, and so many other books imitate them (and also the fact that the latter was a trilogy -- I don't think you can sell a single fantasy book anymore if you can't make it a trilogy.)

TS

57 posted on 02/24/2005 8:20:48 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Shameless self promotional plug.


58 posted on 02/24/2005 8:24:55 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Tanniker Smith

"So what should we discuss first?"

Will there be adult beverages served at said "Book Club?" Will I have to write Book Reports? Will there be comfy couches to lounge upon?

If not, count me out. ;) (But thanks for all the book suggestions. I always find great reads through word-of-web.)


59 posted on 02/24/2005 8:27:33 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Please add me to your ping list. Thanks!


60 posted on 02/24/2005 8:37:42 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Tanniker Smith

I'm interested in any FReeper fiction writers. :-)


61 posted on 02/24/2005 8:39:48 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Tanniker Smith
I don't think you can sell a single fantasy book anymore if you can't make it a trilogy.)

It seems for most fantasy authors, quantity is not a problem. In fact it drives some readers nuts, especially if you run across discussions of books penned by Terry Goodkind and Robert Jordan. Some readers think fantasy series go on for way too long or are just filler to keep the series going. (I ran across these pages taking Jordan and Goodkind to task for just that.)
62 posted on 02/24/2005 8:40:04 PM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Any Freepers who enjoy fantasy, I welcome to look at my FR homepage to take a look at my new book)
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To: squarebarb
Of course, if it's a quest you want, the classic Don Quixote de La Mancha is probably one of the best I've ever read (and laugh-out-loud funny, too). Heavy fiction to make you think: anything by Falkner. For suspense and unexpected plot twists, can't beat John Grisham.

My sister just finished The Notebook by Nicholas Sparks and said it was as good as A Walk to Remember. I also want to read Eragon, a fantasy written by teen homeschooler, Christopher Paolini.

Tommy Frank's autobiography, American Soldier is excellent and there's so much in it, I wouldn't mind reading it again.

A while back I read the first book in Newt Gingrich's Civil War duo, Gettysburg and was pleasantly surprised by how captivating it was, still haven't read the second, though. Staying with the historical fiction theme, The Virtues of War: A Novel of Alexander the Great by Steven Pressfield looks interesting.

I read Left Illusions by David Horowitz last year...it was pretty heavy, would love to read it again and be able to discuss it with others (actually, any of his books would be worthy of discussion...he's absolutely brilliant).

Tear Down This Wall: The Reagan Revolution (compiled by eds. of National Review) looks good. Also, just picked up at my favorite used book store, Patriots: The Men who Started the American Revolution by A.J. Langguth.

Regardless of what's ultimately chosen, I love to read and I think this group is a wonderful idea!

63 posted on 02/24/2005 8:44:46 PM PST by gardencatz (Cindie)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Books I've 'recently' read:

"Treason" by Ann Coulter

"Unfit For Command" by John E. O`Neill and Jerome R.Corsi

64 posted on 02/24/2005 8:44:52 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: RebelTex

Exactly. It's a type of narrative completely ignored and rarely taken on its own merits by the literary establishment, but vital nontheless.

The question for any discussion is --- is it well done or not?

It always involves a hero, and heroes are at present shunned.

The great mythic prototypes are always with us, however. Consider the 'band of brothers' theme; the ancient prototype is Ulysses, then used successfully, beautifully, in 'Saving Private Ryan' (a movie but let that go for now).

I would say that in 'Cities of the Plain' Cormac McCarthy didn't do well with the theme of the lone hero. In All The Pretty Horses he constructed a masterpiece with his lone hero.

That's the only question -- well done or badly done.

Take The Old Man And The Sea --- again, the hero on a quest. Again, a masterpiece.

You can find these mythical themes in so many works. It's like a kaliedoscope -- you have a limited number of glass pieces, but the creative combinations are endless in their variety.


65 posted on 02/24/2005 8:51:20 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: gardencatz

Don Quijote was a brilliant satire on the Quest Novel and its stereotyped hero. Stereotyped at that timer with such overblown things as Amadis De Gaula etc. But he really was on a quest, and that's what makes the book more than just a satire.

Quest novels are wonderful in that they always invovlve those who help us and those who hinder us, and the heroes' ability to distinguish.

Even the Wizard of Oz is a quest novel. There ar einfinite variations.

But thehero/heroine must set out from home -- either forced to or voluntarily --- there has to be a treasured goal, and an animal companion.

I used t wonder what the animal companion was in Old Man and the Sea but then realized it was the old man's memory of the lions on the beaches of Africa.


66 posted on 02/24/2005 8:58:17 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: Tanniker Smith
Finished Shakespear, Einstein, and the Bottom Line: The Marketing of Higher Education (David Kirp) not long ago - detailed analysis of how colleges are watering down strict academic standards to attract more students - e.g. Brown University which was enrolling lots of second tier students until it "junked its standard-fare curriculum in 1969. What it called the 'New Curriculum' was crafted mainly by campus activists, and reads like an undergraduate's wish list" - thereby becoming one of the most popular campuses in the country.

After finishing I am Charlotte Simmons will be starting on Goodman, Musgrave and Herrick's Lives at Risk: Single Payer National Health Care Insurance Around the World, of which Newt says "This book will be an eye-opener for anyone who thinks a government-run system is the solution for our health care problems".....

67 posted on 02/24/2005 9:07:37 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: squarebarb

And at present I am reading Patrick O'Brian --- all the Aubrey-Maturin novels. I'm addicted.


68 posted on 02/24/2005 9:40:33 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: Tanniker Smith
Stuff I just read this month — between Freeps, of course:

Starting Next:

I've got a lot of time on my hands with Leukemia and Rheumatoid Arthritis, so I'll wind up doing 20 - 25 books this month.

69 posted on 02/24/2005 9:56:29 PM PST by Right Winged American (No matter how Cynical I get, I just can't keep up!)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Currently reading "How to Talk to liberals (If You Must)" by Ann Coulter. I am enjoying it very much. Ann's ability to literally cut out the heart of a liberal idea and offer it up on a silver platter is great fun. One does not often laugh out loud when reading a book. With this book it's impossible not to laugh.


70 posted on 02/24/2005 9:57:11 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief
I've read recently and have enjoyed very much: Men in Black: How the Supreme Court is Destroying America by Mark Levin

I haven't read Men in Black yet, but I'm thinking about buying a few copies and giving them for gifts. Would the average non-political person like it for a birthday or St. Patrick's Day gift?

71 posted on 02/25/2005 4:14:05 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: k2blader
I'm interested in any FReeper fiction writers. :-)

Well, I've co-written a self-published novella, which was a follow-up to a self-published anthology fanzine, which was a follow-up to several stories printed in "Autoduel Quarterly".

... if that counts.

TS

72 posted on 02/25/2005 5:26:19 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Please add me to your list! I'm currently reading textbooks but am fighting for some spare time for some leisurely reading. Currently reading "High Crimes and Misdeameanors" because Business Law has help make sense of a lot of it. Then I want to start "Men in Black."


73 posted on 02/25/2005 5:37:10 AM PST by Ladysmith (Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: WVNan
Has anyone read Mona Charen's Do-Gooders? I am just starting that.

I just finished Hugh Hewitt's Blog. He has some interesting things to say about bloggers and sites like FR leading to a 21st century Information Reformation just as significant as the Reformation Luther started.

74 posted on 02/25/2005 5:41:48 AM PST by aberaussie
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To: Tanniker Smith

Uncivil War, about the meritocracy created by aptitude testing, is absolutely fabulous. It's the New Elites versus Left Behinds, precursors of Red-versus-Blue. It's a joy to read and see how we got into this situation.


75 posted on 02/25/2005 6:33:23 AM PST by MHT
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To: Txsleuth
"Beowulf just about did me in, in the 9th grade!!!"

LOL - me too.

Old English was not high on my favorite subject lists.

76 posted on 02/25/2005 6:52:28 AM PST by RebelTex (Freedom is everyone's right - and everyone's responsibility!)
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To: squarebarb
"That's the only question -- well done or badly done."

Right.  There are a lot of good war stories that are well done.   Some of my favorites are Up Periscope, The Enemy Below, Patton, The Grey Ghost, and the Audie Murphy bio - To Hell and Back.  Though not really classics, still, very good stories in the pursuit of victory.

Then there's the ill-fated or tragic quest, like Billy Budd, or Herman Melville's Moby Dick - both classics in their own right.

I also enjoy fiction with a political bent, such as: Fahrenheit 451, The 480, The Ugly American, and Sarkahn.

77 posted on 02/25/2005 7:17:27 AM PST by RebelTex (Freedom is everyone's right - and everyone's responsibility!)
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To: RebelTex
The battle scenes in the Patrick O'Brian books --- the Aubrey-Maturin series -- are incredible.

I am at about the seventh book of the series and enjoying them immensely.

Also for quests/adventures/battles there are Dorothy Dunnet's books; the siege of Malta described in Pawn In Frankincense is one of the best things I have read.
78 posted on 02/25/2005 8:15:51 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: squarebarb

"Cities of the Plain" is actually the name of the trilogy, of which I think "All the Pretty Horses" was the best. Strange that I finally discovered McCarthy, years after my BA in English! The thing about this trilogy that absolutely floored me, though, is his capture of the American (post) frontier in spare and beautiful language, which sends the spirit soaring.


79 posted on 02/25/2005 8:16:16 AM PST by Burn24
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To: squarebarb

I know a new thread was started for today, but I was reading this one to catch up on posts I'd missed and wanted to add a seeming freeper favorite to your "quest novel" list: "The Stand" by King.


80 posted on 02/25/2005 9:36:04 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Tanniker Smith
I heartily suggest America's 30 Years War, by Balint Vaszonyi

He was a concert pianist (recently deceased) who came to America and noticed the similarities between the Progressive movement and the early days of Soviet Communism. He also is very diplomatic and fair about how the subtlest of differences in the original philosophies of the Left and Right make such huge differences when they are carried out to their logical conclusions.

81 posted on 02/25/2005 9:51:33 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Tanniker Smith

Add me to the PING list, please.


82 posted on 02/25/2005 9:52:12 AM PST by Freedom with Responsibility
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To: Tanniker Smith

Please add me to the ping list and thanks.


83 posted on 02/25/2005 10:23:36 AM PST by sarasota
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To: RadioAstronomer; RightWingAtheist; Tax-chick; Xenalyte; MississippiMalcontent

Bibliopath ping.

84 posted on 02/25/2005 10:24:51 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Tanniker Smith
Recently read:

All three of the above are collected in an omnibus edition Three Famous Murder Novels, published by Modern Library. All three novels were good, but the first one made the biggest impression on me.

Currently reading: Standing Next to History by Joseph Petro.

85 posted on 02/25/2005 10:30:41 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Tanniker Smith; Physicist
Right now in my bag:

Fowler's Modern English Usage, the 1957 edition (an amazing read for the grammar wonk)

How to Talk to a Liberal (already read, but it's good for five-minute fixes when I need a break from work)

The Shadow of the Wind, by Carlos Ruiz Zafon. Highly recommended - romance, mystery, thrills, plot twists. I do not recommend fiction lightly, and I say check it out.
86 posted on 02/25/2005 10:41:53 AM PST by Xenalyte (Your mother sells hot dogs.)
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To: Tanniker Smith; Do not dub me shapka broham
"Knowledge and Decisions" by Thomas Sowell, America's greatest living intellectual

"Home-Alone America" by Mary Eberstadt

"Hating Whitey" by David Horowitz
and a thank you to *Do not dub me shapka broham* for talking up Horowitz, and I also have "Destructive Generation" out of the library.

I was halfway through "Mr. Midshipman Hornblower" by C.S. Forester, when my husband snarfed it,

and I've got "The Dragons of Expectation," by Robert Conquest (author of "Harvest of Sorrow") in the pile.

87 posted on 02/25/2005 10:43:51 AM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: Tax-chick

Library ping


88 posted on 02/25/2005 10:45:29 AM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: Physicist

Have you or anyone read a book by DeMille (Plum Island author) called "Night Fall" ? I heard an interview with him on Savage yesterday and it is based on the TWA800 crash where he looked into the details and made it into a novel. It sounds reaaly good as I never thought it was a faulty wire but a terrorist attack. I am 117 on the waiting list at our library.


89 posted on 02/25/2005 10:47:00 AM PST by Citizen Soldier
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To: Tax-chick

"Tyrone Martin's, "A Most Fortunate SHip", about the USS Constitution. "

Library ping with the book in it.


90 posted on 02/25/2005 10:48:34 AM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: Burn24
Right on, girl! For instance... I've just read Cormac McCarthy's "Cities of the Plain," and found it breathtaking. Anyone want to talk about it?

I love McCarthy. Cities of the Plain was good, but the best of the trilogy was The Crossing, IMHO.

Also IMHO, Blood Meridian is on a completely different level from anything in the Border Trilogy. It's just a masterpiece.

91 posted on 02/25/2005 11:06:47 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Tanniker Smith

Great idea! Please add me to the ping list. Thanks.


92 posted on 02/25/2005 11:12:25 AM PST by SouthParkRepublican (There are no contradictions... Only faulty premises.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I haven't read Men in Black yet, but I'm thinking about buying a few copies and giving them for gifts. Would the average non-political person like it for a birthday or St. Patrick's Day gift?

Sure. The book is very clear for political novices, for anyone who has a basic understanding of American history. Even I, who is very interested in politics, learned a lot.
93 posted on 02/25/2005 4:10:03 PM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Any Freepers who enjoy fantasy, I welcome to look at my FR homepage to take a look at my new book)
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To: k2blader
I'm interested in any FReeper fiction writers. :-)

Well, hop on over to my Free Republic homepage. I've got my latest release featured there. :)
94 posted on 02/25/2005 4:11:57 PM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Any Freepers who enjoy fantasy, I welcome to look at my FR homepage to take a look at my new book)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Please add me to your ping list.


95 posted on 02/25/2005 4:23:17 PM PST by baseballmom
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To: Physicist; RightWingAtheist; Tax-chick; Xenalyte; MississippiMalcontent; cyborg

I just finished "The Perfect Machine". :-)



96 posted on 02/25/2005 5:17:08 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Travis McGee

Hey Travis! My wife just started reading EFAD. We talked about the story for about an hour tonight after I got home from work. She asked me what kind of gun the "T.C." is...

Hmmm...Do I see another gun purchase developing?


97 posted on 02/25/2005 5:39:26 PM PST by pocat
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To: Physicist

I'm now reading "Blood Meridian" and am finding it somewhat horrifying - have just covered the Indian massacre. But I can't put it down. Somehow it's clean in its brutality.


98 posted on 02/25/2005 5:48:44 PM PST by Burn24
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To: Tanniker Smith

Just finished Huxley's Brave New World
Today I started C.S. Lewis' Out of the Silent Planet

(a homeschool Mom that never read these in school so I am reading them with my sons).


99 posted on 02/25/2005 7:20:51 PM PST by mamalujo (home education is great; we sleep late.)
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To: squarebarb
Patrick O'Brian is a lifelong addiction. Next summer I will start my third read through. If I live to be a hundred and can still see, it will still be on my reading list. Just finished "Over the Edge of the World" by Laurence Bergreen, about Magellan's Circumnavigation. Very good.
Other great reads: Natan Sharansky's "The Case for Democracy"
Tommy Franks "American Soldier"
100 posted on 02/25/2005 7:31:36 PM PST by hollyberry53 (I yam what I yam)
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