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Free Republic Book Club, 2/24/05
Tanniker Smith

Posted on 02/24/2005 6:11:45 PM PST by Tanniker Smith

Welcome to the Free Republic Book Club.

It was suggested a couple of days ago, in the FReeper's Book Rockets Up Amazon After Ingraham Show! thread (somewhere toward the end) that it would be great if there FR Book Club. Somehow, I think I got nominated to start one. I don't really know how to do that other than just to go ahead and do it. So I am -- please, feel free to point out mistakes, or point out how to make a "ping" list for folks that want to be a part of this.

Anyway, if there are no complaints, I think it would be better to have a Book Club rather than a Conservative Book Club (or a Republican Book Club or a Libertarian Book Club, etc). Yes, let's focus on the bounty of conservative books that we didn't have even a dozen years ago, but if anyone wants to occasionally talk about a mystery or SF book, it won't be off topic (unless The Powers That Be decide that it is, at least at FR). I don't know about anyone else, but the majority of my reading is composed of other stuff, as can be seen on this thread: Books Read in 2004 (Read Any Good Books Lately?)

Other than that, I have only one ground rule: judge (or slam) the books themselves, not the authors. The latter is way too easy, and beside the point. Likewise, I know the opinions folks have of Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly, but please separate the books from the people, particularly if you haven't read them.

So what should we discuss first?


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Without any other ideas of what to discuss, how about we get a sense of what the folks have been reading and what you think about them. My suggestion is this:

List, in order, your favorite three conservative books that you recently read. Use your judgment on what "recent" is. If you read "See I Told You So" seven or eights years ago, no, that doesn't count. If you only got around to reading it in the last year or so, okay, include it. But really, I'm interested in finding the books many of us have enjoyed, so that the rest of us can go seek these out. (We can do "books to pass by" another time.)

Please, list only (or at most) three, and please, list only books that you've read and enjoyed, not the ones that you're hoping to read and hope you'll enjoy, or ones that you were told by someone whose opinion you really trust that it is good and you're going to get around to reading it as soon as the library has it available. (You'd be surprised at the conversations I've had concerning books.)

With luck, we'll get a nice response, and I can tally them up when the posting stops.

I start, which will be easy because I've only read three in the past year or so:


  1. At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election, Bill Sammon
  2. Who's Looking Out for You, Bill O'Reilly
  3. Let Freedom Ring, Sean Hannity

Again, forget about what you think about them personally, they're both good reads.

By the way, I would have liked to have added Reagan's book of letters, but, sadly, I've been quite busy and I only managed to get a small fraction of the way through the book before I had to return it to the library. (Couldn't renew it -- someone had it on hold.)

TS

1 posted on 02/24/2005 6:11:52 PM PST by Tanniker Smith
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To: Tanniker Smith

"Misunderestimated" by Bill Sammon.


2 posted on 02/24/2005 6:16:47 PM PST by silent_jonny
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To: Tanniker Smith

If you have a ping list, would you put me on it?

If you wish to discuss political books, you are going to have discussions of politics and not of books.

Convervatives need to begin discussing Literature, in the worst way.

Liberals dominate the arts; almost always with very shoddy theories (p.c., an affinity for anything that is 'dark' and 'edgy' and so on);

There are often very good threads on movies; in which the movies are discussed for their story line, photography, actors, characters, etc. with politics secondary. I am not the one starting this thread and perhaps I shouldn't butt in with an alternative idea and Tanniker's taking on the work is much appreciated,

and it is just a suggestion, but might we discuss fiction? (ducking...)


3 posted on 02/24/2005 6:19:00 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: Tanniker Smith

I'm currently working on "The Case for Democracy" by Natan Sharansky.

While it's not really directly tied to conservatism, I highly suggest Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer." It's a collection of thoughts on what drives fanatical mass movements, the types of individuals who become members of mass movements, and the personalities that start mass movements. I find it invaluable in understanding the mindset of the fundamentalist Muslims that seem so intent on destroying Western civilization. And a number of passages are also very apt descriptions of the liberal moonbats that we find so infuriating. It's important to know one's enemy.

Another excellent title is "A Conflict of Visions" by Thomas Sowell. It's an intriguing look into why the mindset so many liberals have that, despite their own moral relativism, anyone who disagrees with them is genuinely evil.


4 posted on 02/24/2005 6:22:15 PM PST by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: Tanniker Smith

5 posted on 02/24/2005 6:22:42 PM PST by carlr
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To: Tanniker Smith
If you have a ping list, would you put me on it? .

If you do please put me on it too - thanks.

6 posted on 02/24/2005 6:23:21 PM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: squarebarb
Hey, this is sort of the "first meeting" coming to order. Suggestions are welcome. I just didn't want to start with an empty thread, so I put up a topic.

Feel free to go off on a tangent if it gets the folks talking.

TS

7 posted on 02/24/2005 6:24:32 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: squarebarb

Right on, girl! For instance... I've just read Cormac McCarthy's "Cities of the Plain," and found it breathtaking. Anyone want to talk about it?


8 posted on 02/24/2005 6:25:13 PM PST by Burn24
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To: Tanniker Smith
On my nightstand and getting ready to start:
A Patriots History Of The United States: From Columbus's Great Discovery To The War On Terror
Larry Schweikart, Michael Patrick Allen
 
Next up: The Case For Democracy: The Power of Freedom to Overcome Tyranny and Terror
Natan Sharansky, Ron Dermer, Anatoly Shcharansky
 
 Now reading :The Pentagon's New Map
Thomas P. M. Barnett
 
And one I am just ordered and am waiting for (release date March 1):
 
Taking Heat : The President, the Press, and My Years in the White House
Ari Fleischer
 

Add me to your ping list if you have one, thanks :)

9 posted on 02/24/2005 6:25:53 PM PST by arbee4bush (Then, in a clattering crescendo of keystrokes, the issue exploded in cyberspace.)
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To: squarebarb
and it is just a suggestion, but might we discuss fiction?

I would love that.

Seconded!

10 posted on 02/24/2005 6:26:03 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Apparently, this is the only job for which I am suited. I am beset by the ironies of my life)
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To: snugs
Soon as I figure out how, I'll probably put everyone who posts to this thread on it. (I'll remove anyone who doesn't want to be pinged, too.)

I figure that anyone taking the trouble to even bump this thread wants to be included.

TS

11 posted on 02/24/2005 6:26:03 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: squarebarb

I thought it was a good idea.......I'll keep a watch on what happens!


12 posted on 02/24/2005 6:26:22 PM PST by TightyRighty
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To: Tanniker Smith

Hey, the comedian George Carlin had his own book club......does anyone remember his "Join the Book Club" skit? I was listening to it on CD a few days ago--it's HILARIOUS!!!!!


13 posted on 02/24/2005 6:27:23 PM PST by libertyman
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To: Tanniker Smith

Please add me to your ping list too!


14 posted on 02/24/2005 6:27:26 PM PST by TightyRighty
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To: Tanniker Smith

BUMP!!!


15 posted on 02/24/2005 6:28:43 PM PST by PatriotGirl827 (Member of the Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; squarebarb

Thirdeded


16 posted on 02/24/2005 6:29:08 PM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: Tanniker Smith
What a lovely idea!

As the proud parent of a toddler, my leisure reading consists of whatever part of the paper I get through before the babe decides to take over my time. She doesn't understand why I'd read a big floppy paper when there are dozens of great board books to read to her!

I recently finished How to Speak to a Liberal (if you must) By the divine Ms. Ann Coulter

I must admit, her sarcasm grates the nerves of my better half, but I just love her biting wit. She handily tears down the motivation and mindset of the left, and she writes as carefree and comfortable with who she is as she speaks.

If you enjoy reading her columns but haven't read as many as you would like, this is the book for you. Her comments on 9/11 and the aftermath are particularly pithy.

A really good read, especially for those of us who can't get through a book too quickly, because each column can be read individually, without having to remember where you left off.

17 posted on 02/24/2005 6:30:39 PM PST by sandalwood (The sky was yellow and the sun was blue)
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To: Tanniker Smith
by the way, folks, if you click on my thread of 2004 books, you'll see that I mostly read fiction. So if that's what you want to talk about, great.

That said, I started this on a suggestion from another thread, and didn't run it by the Higher Ups at FR, so I figured that my first post should be somehow on topic for FR.

Not like that ever stops anyone around here. 8-)

TS

18 posted on 02/24/2005 6:30:50 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: GeronL; Txsleuth; Travis McGee

ping


19 posted on 02/24/2005 6:34:42 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Tanniker Smith
I agree that fiction would be great, too.

Please add me to the ping list :)

20 posted on 02/24/2005 6:38:00 PM PST by silent_jonny
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To: GeronL; Txsleuth; Travis McGee; silent_jonny; squarebarb; AQGeiger; carlr; snugs; Burn24; ...

ping-list test ping


21 posted on 02/24/2005 6:38:42 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Tanniker Smith
The three that I have most recently read...

Unfit For Command by John E. O`Neill

Every one read that one so moving right along

For Shame (The Loss of Common Decency in American Culture) By James B Twitchell

Enjoyable but it will make you squirm a bit.

Good to Great by Jim Collins

Ok not exactly a conservative book but this one book gave me more insight into why our nation's government is structured the way it is. And why having a great system is better then having a great leader. Great (or level 5 leaders) are needed to build the system but they build it with the view that they are not going to be around forever so they build it so it will withstand a poor leader.

I swear every GOP leader should read this book.

22 posted on 02/24/2005 6:39:11 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Apparently, this is the only job for which I am suited. I am beset by the ironies of my life)
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To: Tanniker Smith

But seriously, now...here's a few excellent books you should check out:

--"THE LAW" by Frederic Bastiat (written in 1850; you can also find it on the Constitution Society's web page);

--"THE CONSTITUTIONAL THOUGHT OF THOMAS JEFFERSON", by David N. Meyer;

--"BASIC AMERICAN GOVERNMENT", by Clarence Carson;

--"LOST RIGHTS: THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICAN LIBERTY", by James Bovard;

--"THE REAL LINCOLN", by Thomas DiLorenzo; &

--"A REPUBLIC, NOT AN EMPIRE", by Pat Buchanan


23 posted on 02/24/2005 6:40:24 PM PST by libertyman
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To: Burn24

Great! Shall we discuss Burn24's idea? Cities of the Plain is a good start, and in fact the other two of the trilogy as well.

Let's have a certain take on it; for instance, 'Cities Of The Plain as a quest novel'. I believe All The Pretty Horses and The Crossing were also Quest novels;

Quest novels have a central figure who strikes out in search of something -- and finds both helpers and those who impede him/her alng the way.

In Cities of the Plain young Grady is clearly searching out the flip side of the girl he lost in Pretty Horses. McCarthy's language, his sense of landscape, of doomed causes, is so remarkable.

Another suggestion; for those wanting to enhance the discussion, you can shoot over to Amazon, look up the book in question, read customer comments and a review, and pop back here with questions of whatever.

Amazon is a great tool


24 posted on 02/24/2005 6:40:31 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: Tanniker Smith

"Persecution: How Liberals are Waging War Against Christianity" by David Limbaugh


25 posted on 02/24/2005 6:40:49 PM PST by sageb1
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To: Tanniker Smith

Could you add me to your ping list when you make it? Thanks! :)


26 posted on 02/24/2005 6:43:04 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: Burn24
I have not read that one.

Tell me more.

27 posted on 02/24/2005 6:44:46 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Apparently, this is the only job for which I am suited. I am beset by the ironies of my life)
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To: Tanniker Smith
ping-list test ping

Ping successful!

28 posted on 02/24/2005 6:45:03 PM PST by silent_jonny
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To: Tanniker Smith

Will check back in later. Cheers for the FR Book Club!

(For all of you interested in Burn24's suggestion, jump over to Amazon to check out Cities of the Plain).


29 posted on 02/24/2005 6:47:21 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: Tanniker Smith
Great thread!. Here's my reading list from the last twelve-eighteen months.

Freeper LS's "A Patriot's History of America" and his upcoming "September Day".

Freeper Travis McGee's "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" and his upcoming "Domestic Enemies".

Freeper James Macomber's "Art & Part" and "Bargained for Exchange".

The entire "Prelude to Glory" series (all nine volumes) about the revoultionary war and constitutional convention by Carter.

All of Michael and Jeff Shaara's books about the Revolutionary and Civil wars.

James Alexander Thom's "Long Knife" and "Pamnther in the Sky" novels about George Rogers Clark and Tecumseh respectively.

Norman Shwarzkopf's "It doesn't take a Hero".

John Eisenhower's, "So far from God", about the Mexican American War.

Tyrone Martin's, "A Most Fortunate SHip", about the USS Constitution.

Samuel Elliot Morison's, "The Two Ocean War", about the US Navy in World War II.

...and finally, all of Allan Eckert's "Winning America" series, starting with, "The Frontiersman".

30 posted on 02/24/2005 6:47:59 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Thanks - I am looking so forward to this thread - especially the fiction part!

I can't remember the last fictional book I read, so I will live vicariously through this thread.

31 posted on 02/24/2005 6:48:19 PM PST by sandalwood (The sky was yellow and the sun was blue)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Thanks for the ping---I was one of the ones on the other thread that urged you to start this Book Club, so I am very happy to see you started it---

Like everyone, I have read Unfit for Command, and I read Tommy Franks book----

The reason I chose Txsleuth as my screen name is because I have been a member of the Mystery Guild Book Club for years--mysteries are my favorite kind of fiction--

I especially like psychological and medical thrillers---so I am definitely open to discussing fiction---


32 posted on 02/24/2005 6:49:12 PM PST by Txsleuth (Call be anything...just don't call me a fringe poster)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Bttt


33 posted on 02/24/2005 6:49:17 PM PST by aberaussie
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To: Tanniker Smith

If you like fiction with a message, State of Fear by Michael Crighton was good - I particularly liked the charts, graphs, and checkable sites for debunking the global warming nuts.


34 posted on 02/24/2005 6:49:24 PM PST by oldmom
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To: Tanniker Smith

This is a great idea and I'd like to be added to your ping list.


35 posted on 02/24/2005 6:50:36 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (Romeo&Juliet, Troilus&Crisedye, Bogey&Bacall, Gable&Lombard, Brigitte&Flav)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Wealth and Poverty by George Gilder is a must-read for anyone who espouses the principles of supply-side economics.
36 posted on 02/24/2005 6:51:34 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Speaking of staying on topic, did you hear the one about... ?

;^D


37 posted on 02/24/2005 7:02:57 PM PST by RebelTex (Freedom is everyone's right - and everyone's responsibility!)
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To: AQGeiger

What do you think about "The Case For Democracy" so far? I've just begun reading it myself.


38 posted on 02/24/2005 7:08:28 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (Romeo&Juliet, Troilus&Crisedye, Bogey&Bacall, Gable&Lombard, Brigitte&Flav)
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

Admittedly, I'm not that far into it. I won't be reading anything other than textbooks until I get through the three exams I have next week. What's your impression, though?


39 posted on 02/24/2005 7:10:08 PM PST by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: Tanniker Smith; squarebarb

1. Please add me to the ping list.

2. I would like to second (or third ... or fourth) squarebarb's suggestion. Political books, particularly current books, are going to be discussed here anyway. Literature may not.


40 posted on 02/24/2005 7:16:18 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Tanniker Smith

I've read recently and have enjoyed very much:

Men in Black: How the Supreme Court is Destroying America by Mark Levin

Reagan's Revolution : The Untold Story of the Campaign That Started It All by Craig Shirley

Shadow War: The Untold Story of How Bush Is Winning the War on Terror by Richard Miniter


41 posted on 02/24/2005 7:16:55 PM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Any Freepers who enjoy fantasy, I welcome to look at my FR homepage to take a look at my new book)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Ping me, ping me!!

Holy War on the Home Front by Harvey Kushner is the scary book I'm reading now.

p.s.That blue underlined word was self formatted.

42 posted on 02/24/2005 7:20:30 PM PST by Brasil ("The path to safety is the path of action." GWB)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Picked this up at MWR. Don't get much time to read, though.

43 posted on 02/24/2005 7:23:05 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Kandahar Airfield -- “We’re not on the edge of the world, but we can see it from here")
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To: AQGeiger

It's very well done. It's easily understood and so far Sharansky is making strong arguments in support of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush's policies regarding "fear states". It is also full of passages that would be profound FR taglines.


44 posted on 02/24/2005 7:26:25 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (Romeo&Juliet, Troilus&Crisedye, Bogey&Bacall, Gable&Lombard, Brigitte&Flav)
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To: squarebarb
"Quest novels have a central figure who strikes out in search of something -- and finds both helpers and those who impede him/her alng the way."

hmmm, quest novels, huh.   OK, how about the classics: the Iliad and the Odyssey?  You have Hector and Odysseus. 

And for side stories, there's Diogenes, Jason and the Argonauts, or how about the works of Socrates or Plato?

Seems to me they all have their own quest.  The thirst for knowledge and truth is one of most powerful quests of all.

Unfortunately, these classics seem to have been ignored by our education system for a long time.  But the good news is that you can still find most of them at good libraries.  Now, if we can just get the kids to read them.

45 posted on 02/24/2005 7:26:49 PM PST by RebelTex (Freedom is everyone's right - and everyone's responsibility!)
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief

What did you think about "Men In Black"?


46 posted on 02/24/2005 7:29:31 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (Romeo&Juliet, Troilus&Crisedye, Bogey&Bacall, Gable&Lombard, Brigitte&Flav)
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To: Tanniker Smith

GOOD, I LIKE THIS IDEA!


47 posted on 02/24/2005 7:29:32 PM PST by SweetCaroline (I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me...Philippians 4:13)
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To: Tanniker Smith

bumping you for later!

It's mysteries all the way for me, but I'll try and post something a little more coherent in the AM. Have recently resumed commuting via mass transit, so I'll have time to READ! again.

bbl! Ping list me too please.


48 posted on 02/24/2005 7:31:13 PM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: firebrand

fyi


49 posted on 02/24/2005 7:31:31 PM PST by nutmeg (democRATs = The Party of NO)
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To: Tanniker Smith
I'd love to join in... please add me to the ping list.

I'm almost finished with "Nine Parts of Desire" by Geraldine Brooks about women under Islam; an older book, but fascinating and timely nonetheless. The religion, among other things, is inherently misogynistic, and it's amazing that women under it survive at all. The very few positive female role models to come out of the Middle East are really interesting to me, if not a little depressing.

Another favorite was "Bush Country : How Dubya Became a Great President While Driving Liberals Insane" by John Podhoretz. That book really summed up what I love about W. Despite the bad rap, he has big ideas and the fortitude to see them through. Also, even though he's crucified for his verbal gaffes, his speeches are actually among the best ever delivered by a president. It's always amusing to me when the lib lesbos at my office go off on how stupid Bush is, etc. I just love that his critics are so consistently wrong!
50 posted on 02/24/2005 7:38:11 PM PST by LittleSpotBlog
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