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A Host of Anxiety Drugs, Begat by Valium
NY Times ^ | February 22, 2005 | NICHOLAS BAKALAR

Posted on 02/24/2005 4:19:25 PM PST by neverdem

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To: BobS

Hey Bob, GNC is ***outrageous*** in price!!

It is possible to get many many supplements from www.beyond-a-century.com, they sell bulk powders of almost any supplement at super cheap prices. I highly recommend them, I have done buisiness with them for years.

If you don't want to mess with capping it yourself, I wouldn't buy from them. www.iherb.com is another great business, their prices are very low....and all their stuff is already encapsulated.

A great resource for what vitamins and supplements to take is www.lef.org, they have "treatment protocols" for many conditions. They also sell supplements, but their prices are pretty dang high too.


Hope this helps....


51 posted on 02/24/2005 8:42:52 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (PROPHETIC list of Communist goals SPREAD THE WORD!: http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm)
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To: NorCalRepub
Does Paxil fit into this category of drug? I have been taking it for three years now. I want to quit, but each time I try to get off, I get so sick after about four days, my husband strongly suggests I keep taking it.
52 posted on 02/24/2005 8:47:54 PM PST by ScudBud
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To: NorCalRepub
I have 3 year old ativan in my cabinet along with 3 year old hydro. I believe oxycodone would cause a rejection by my digestive system in about 24 hours since hydro created the basis for it 3.5 years ago over 3 weeks in a hospital. And guess what? I get back to work and they asked me to go piss in a bottle. Of course it failed. I took 8 vials of pills with me and nobody cared about them or read the labels when I went pee-pee.

The following day the "human resources" wench called me in to tell me the results and the corporate lawyer was there. I was waiting for this. I dumped those pills right on her desk and the guy just about prevented me from pulling her across her desk and smashing her face in one of my wrecked knees. The guy was good. Outside her office, I told him I took all those things with me to the clinic and nobody gave a damn there. I had respect since then. I do exactly as I please now when work needs to be accomplished. They learned the name of the lawyer for that car accident and it is a very major firm, you see.

53 posted on 02/24/2005 8:51:26 PM PST by BobS
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I just get what I need where I can find it. Getting sleepy requires 2 components when a woman is not near. I like herbal stuff for specific purposes. It works when needed. I remember the names of these things and ignore them unless I need them. Organic chemistry was a refernce point until I discovered physics. When doing this and math I need feeding:) Hopefully by a woman with a nice taste in burritos and tacos:)


54 posted on 02/24/2005 9:10:37 PM PST by BobS
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To: BobS

Good info here. I'm gonna pass it along to some friends.


55 posted on 02/24/2005 9:24:01 PM PST by jamaly
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To: ScudBud

Paxil is the shortest acting SSRI there is and most likely has the most possibility to create what they call a discontinuation syndrome......it can make you sick, anxious, electrical jolts and others. Since it is a SSRI anti depressant like Prozac it is nothing like benzo's. However, I would maybe try and find someone who can help you without meds if possible..I'm not a doctor and would never tell anyone to go off meds but paxil is usually used for depression, anxiety or social anxiety.....usually you get sick 4 days after cause it is finally out of your system and the metabolites as well.......what are you taking it for????????.......I can be more exact if you let me know......I know some on it that really really need it but they have tried everything else.....


56 posted on 02/24/2005 10:18:46 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: BobS

dump the medicine.....it is most likely too old and if taken could make you sick.........lots of people get sick or have digestive upset with pain killers


57 posted on 02/24/2005 10:20:47 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: neverdem

Valium works wonders for me when I can't sleep. A good night's sleep without the hangover that I would get from Xanex, a horrible drug in my view. I don't use valium that frequently, but when it is needed it is really appreciated. It has even been used to calm down heart palpitations.


58 posted on 02/24/2005 10:21:30 PM PST by RichardW
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To: BobS; kmiller1k

Valerian is quite amazing and I find it prolongs my dreams into an almost continuous thread. It is the best OTC sleep aid for me, and I have tried them all. In combination with Kava Kava and melatonin, it's nighty night. Take at least one hour before bed time on an empty or near-empty stomach. Of course if that doesn't work, it's Ambien time, but that's another story.


59 posted on 02/25/2005 10:17:00 AM PST by Blowtorch
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To: neverdem

bump


60 posted on 02/25/2005 1:47:59 PM PST by winodog (I am gonna stop calling them liberals. They are humanists. Liberal is actually a good word)
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To: Blowtorch

Kava kava I don't know about. It seems like another overload: valerian, melatonin and kava kava seems like it needs something like fruit juice or vegetable juice to drink with. I'll try it to see what happens, with a juice.


61 posted on 02/25/2005 3:26:05 PM PST by BobS
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To: NorCalRepub
"dump the medicine.....it is most likely too old and if taken could make you sick.........lots of people get sick or have digestive upset with pain killers."

No, I'm keeping them because those organic chemicals don't degrade when kept air-tight. The ones that degrade are anti-biotics. If I break some part of my body during the next earthquake, firestorm, flood (riot?), I have a med kit for when nothing else is available and travel is impossible. I live 1 mile from the '94 earthquake and was sitting on guess what at 4:30AM that morning.

62 posted on 02/25/2005 3:37:40 PM PST by BobS
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To: BobS
The directions on Valerian say take 1 hour before bedtime with a glass of water. If you take a combination with melatonin or Kava Kava, drinking juice is fine. I drink lots of juice, but milk or fatty foods before bedtime will limit the effects of sleep aids.

When you buy herbal remedies like Valerian, make sure you get the kind that say "Standardized Extract" or something similar, which guarantee a standard portion of the potent part of the plant. Standardized extracts will almost always cost more than non-standardized, but you know what you are getting is the real thing in measured amounts.
63 posted on 02/25/2005 3:39:53 PM PST by Blowtorch
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To: Blowtorch

I will be passing by a Rite-Aid and Walgreens this weekend and read the labels. I must be in bed by 8PM to awake by 4.5 AM. I like veggie juice with a splash of hot sauce stirred in. If I sleep later, you will know:):)


64 posted on 02/25/2005 3:49:01 PM PST by BobS
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To: ScudBud
SSRI discontinuation syndrome. Awareness as an approach to prevention.

Antidepressant discontinuation: a review of the literature.

The symptoms are generally mild and transient for the TCAs and the SSRIs but may be serious for the MAOIs. They are much more common with a shorter acting SSRI, such as paroxetine(Paxil), than with the longer acting agent fluoxetine(Prozac).

If you want to stop a SSRI, ask your doc to switch to Prozac with its longer half life, first to a dose where you don't have withdrawal symptoms from Paxil. There may be some trial and error. Then ask your doc to start a tapering dose of Prozac weaning you over one or two months to the lowest possible dose of Prozac, which you may have to cut or break in two for the last week.

The longer it takes to wean off the Prozac, the more likely you won't have withdrawal symptoms. There are no guarantees in medicine. If your doc doesn't want to do it, consider a different shrink or doc. Be sure to click on "Related Articles".

Dorland's Illustrated Medical Dictionary

65 posted on 02/25/2005 5:20:00 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I should have read up the thread a little. I posted (later) exactly what you said about getting "standardized" extract. We have helped a fellow freeper.


66 posted on 02/25/2005 9:54:33 PM PST by Blowtorch
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To: neverdem

do you know how severe w/d will be after my pdoc switched me 1-1.5mg of lorazepam for sleep for 4.5mons and then to wean me off with klonopin i take .25mgAM and .25mgPM and will be tapering over a month. am i going to have problems??? i went c/t on the lorazepam for 6 days cause i didnt know there were any dangerous side effects. any suggestions on what you think. no one here in the usa is familiar w. the ashton manual. what do you think?????????


67 posted on 07/27/2005 3:05:26 PM PDT by starlababy22
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