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Saudi assassination plot
The New York Post ^ | February 24, 2005 | Stephen Schwartz

Posted on 02/24/2005 6:34:19 AM PST by Stephen Schwartz

SAUDI 'SOLDIER' BY STEPHEN SCHWARTZ IN Alexandria, Va., on Tuesday, a 23-year-old Northern Virginia man of Saudi Arabian background named Ahmed Omar Abu Ali was charged with conspiring to assassinate President Bush. Abu Ali and his accomplices are accused of plotting to kill the president by gunfire or a car bomb. The indictment also spells out such criminal activities as assisting and receiving support from Osama bin Laden's band of murderers. Abu Ali was extradited to Virginia after many months in a Saudi jail. What's most remarkable about this case is the degree to which this would-be assassin is a Saudi creation. In 1999, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali was the valedictorian for the Islamic Saudi Academy (ISA), a K-12 school with campuses in Fairfax and Alexandria, Va., that is directly controlled by the Royal Saudi Embassy in Washington... But Abu Ali is also a familiar figure to U.S. law-enforcement officials and terrorism experts. In mid-2003, federal authorities shut down a Northern Virginia a network of born Muslims and American converts to Islam, headed by convert Randall (Ismail) Royer. Known as the "paintball jihad," the defendants in the case were supporters of Lashkar-i-Taiba, a violent Wahhabi militia fighting against Indian authorities in Kashmir. They practiced for jihad by playing paintball in the woods, went to Kashmir to carry and use weapons, and then tried to explain away their weekend activities near Washington as harmless fun. In April 2004 Royer was sentenced to 20 years in prison.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abuali; alexandriava; antiwarcom; assassinationplot; dennisraimondo; fairfax; isa; islam; islamicsaudiacademy; jihadinamerica; lashkaritaiba; muslim; raimondo; randallroyer; royer; saudi; saudiembassy; stephenschwartz; virginiajihad; wahhabi
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This guy was a coconspirator with Randall (Ismail) Royer, whose attacks were proudly published by Dennis "Justin" Raimondo. Remember the old baseball expression, "Tinkers to Evers to Chance?"
1 posted on 02/24/2005 6:34:20 AM PST by Stephen Schwartz
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To: Stephen Schwartz

Schwartz was on FOC this morning.


2 posted on 02/24/2005 6:46:42 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Stephen Schwartz; USF; jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks
Good article. However, regarding the following statement...

Americans have the right to say: Enough.

We have said "enough" yet nothing happens.

Look at the murder of the Coptic family in Jersey City. "Enough" also applies there. But it seems another white-washing is underway.

The question is "when is 'enough', 'enough' for our government."

3 posted on 02/24/2005 6:51:58 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

Just hang him.


4 posted on 02/24/2005 6:54:22 AM PST by jocko12
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To: Stephen Schwartz

"The U.S. government has the duty to roll up the Saudi-Wahhabi hate conspiracy in this country"

It's long past due


5 posted on 02/24/2005 6:55:04 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: Stephen Schwartz

whatever became of the big bust they had over in Merrifield on the Jihad center there, does anyone know? very near my house. Falls Church is a hotbed of jihadists.


6 posted on 02/24/2005 6:56:50 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Dark Skies
The question is "when is 'enough', 'enough' for our government."

Blah blah blah blah blah....

Do you ever do anything besides whine? Just curious.....

In case you hadn't noticed, this time you're busily whining about a terrorist-related arrest. One might almost conclude that the gov't is actually pursuing terrorists. Perhaps you should take up flower arranging?

7 posted on 02/24/2005 7:04:50 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Stephen Schwartz

Talk about your hotbeds of diversity, Northern Va. is loaded with Islamics, Viet Namese , Koreans, Aztec Indians Hispanics of every sort. You name it , they got it.


8 posted on 02/24/2005 7:06:52 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: r9etb

Bite me, D!ckhead.


9 posted on 02/24/2005 7:12:30 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

Nothing Gracie?

Look at the murder of the Coptic family in Jersey City.

And what makes this such a big deal? Could it be that it's because this sort of thing just doesn't happen all that often?*


*once is too often.



10 posted on 02/24/2005 7:39:51 AM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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To: Stephen Schwartz
Remember the old baseball expression, "Tinkers to Evers to Chance?"

Sadly, I never heard of this expression, so I had to Google it. Found this:

Published: New York Evening Mail (July 10, 1910)

These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance." Trio of bear cubs, and fleeter than birds, Tinker and Evers and Chance. Ruthlessly pricking our gonfalon bubble, Making a Giant hit into a double- Words that are heavy with nothing but trouble: "Tinker to Evers to Chance."

So I take it to mean that we just scored a double play?

11 posted on 02/24/2005 7:59:37 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Valin; Dark Skies
RE:

DS: But it seems another white-washing is underway.

Valin: Could it be that it's because this sort of thing just doesn't happen all that often?*

I believe Dark Skies is referring to some of the incidences mentioned in previous threads.. you may have missed this:

When the authorities deny terrorism.
(By Daniel Pipes, who comments "I have cited thirteen cases here and provide information on further incidents on my weblog. Why this repeated unease acknowledging Islamist terrorism by the authorities, why the shameful denial?")

And: Who Killed the Jersey City Coptic Family: Robbers? Islamists?

The article over at jewishvoiceandopinion.com is worth taking the time to read thru.

12 posted on 02/24/2005 8:00:47 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: r9etb

See above post.


13 posted on 02/24/2005 8:02:58 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Dark Skies; USF; Fred Nerks
>>>>Last year, the Saudi Institute, a dissident human-rights monitoring agency in Washington (saudiinstitute.org), exposed the use at ISA of a textbook for 6-year-olds titled "Monotheism and Islamic Law," which instructs Muslim children, attending first-grade classes, in hatred of Christianity and Judaism<<<<

Maybe this explains how a "religion" of peace can turn out so many followers that hate us and want to kill us!

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness," Romans 1:18
14 posted on 02/24/2005 8:06:17 AM PST by jan in Colorado ("...if you suffer as a Christin,do not be ashamed,but praise God that you bear that name." I Peter 4)
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To: USF

Bump for later.


15 posted on 02/24/2005 8:11:56 AM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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To: Stephen Schwartz

I saw you on Fox and Friends. That was a good analogy that you gave. IMO, Bush has to very,very careful whereever he goes because to many people hate him.


16 posted on 02/24/2005 8:14:17 AM PST by youngtory (Rights are rights are rights. Just like a proof is a proof is a proof.-Liberal dorks.)
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To: sgtbono2002

It is the sheetheads that pose the biggest security threat.


17 posted on 02/24/2005 10:58:46 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: USF

Actually, I expressed a very low opinion of the "Who killed..." article, yesterday. You can read the thread.


18 posted on 02/24/2005 11:38:56 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Dark Skies
LOL! Now you're whining and stomping. Impressive!
19 posted on 02/24/2005 11:41:54 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb; USF; jan in Colorado

Sorry about that...you caught me before my second cup...But my whining does include a hope for more action in Jersey City.

How did you know I'm a flower arranger?


20 posted on 02/24/2005 11:46:27 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: r9etb; USF; jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks
Breaking News!!!

"Famous FR poster, "retb" actually expressed a very low opinion of the "Who killed..." article, yesterday. You can read the thread."

Developing...

21 posted on 02/24/2005 11:52:07 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

My delivery is a day late!

What happened to MY flowers?


22 posted on 02/24/2005 12:21:56 PM PST by jan in Colorado ("...if you suffer as a Christin,do not be ashamed,but praise God that you bear that name." I Peter 4)
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To: Dark Skies

Sigh..... Whining, stomping, and now pouting. It's just not pretty, DS. I suggest you stop digging.


23 posted on 02/24/2005 12:23:20 PM PST by r9etb
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To: jan in Colorado

Sorry ma'am...skunk cabbage doesn't flower every day of the week...


24 posted on 02/24/2005 12:24:29 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: r9etb
Just getting a sense of your character. I've got a good estimate of the height of it (not very) and now plumbing for its lower limit.

Might be a while...still digging.

25 posted on 02/24/2005 12:29:33 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
26 posted on 02/24/2005 2:00:03 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: Dark Skies

You may need to change to your after-shave, you seem to be attracting blow-flies.


27 posted on 02/24/2005 2:38:37 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks
...blow-flies.

You're killin me...what is a 'blow-fly?" Pic please, Freddie!

You know I attract all kinds of nuts. (OK, takes one to know one and birds of a feather...Hah).

You know you're having a dull day when you find you are excited to see even idiots (no, not you...the blow-flies).

I have an interesting pic to send you. But I have to go...er, borrow it from someone else.

28 posted on 02/24/2005 2:47:47 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

29 posted on 02/24/2005 2:57:15 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks
This is for those that worship old moon god...
30 posted on 02/24/2005 3:01:15 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

Should it be rolling around like that? I demand NASA to stop that immediately!


31 posted on 02/24/2005 3:05:26 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Allah say, "you are getting very sleepy...and angry. Just watch the wobbly moon. Do you feel the need for Jihad?"


32 posted on 02/24/2005 3:07:18 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies
I can see a message on the surface...it's in sanskrit. It says quite clearly: Let not your eyes deceive thee for allah is a rabbit...
33 posted on 02/24/2005 3:17:46 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Allah should be so lucky as to be a wabbit.


34 posted on 02/24/2005 3:22:39 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: USF; Valin; Dark Skies; r9etb
I believe Dark Skies is referring to some of the incidences mentioned in previous threads.. you may have missed this:

It's against forum rules to carry "incidents" from thread to thread.

Check the main page.

35 posted on 02/24/2005 3:24:54 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin; USF
It's against forum rules to carry "incidents" from thread to thread.

Check the main page.

I am trying to find rule you mention and to further define what is meant by "incident" from thread to thread but might be overlooking it (on Home page). Any help would be appreciated.

36 posted on 02/24/2005 3:38:14 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Where's that horny goat when you need him?


37 posted on 02/24/2005 3:39:28 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks; USF; jan in Colorado
Do you mean "h@rny g*at"...I am sure that is what you mean? The old f@rt police is out tonight...trying to pass out some tickets....excuse me a minute...

"Hey there, Madam...that is a no parking zone your right front tyre is touching."

Watch out for blow-flies.

38 posted on 02/24/2005 3:44:49 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

Don't jump threads - If you get involved in an argument in one thread, it's considered poor manners to restart the previous argument in the middle of an unrelated thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm#guidelines


39 posted on 02/24/2005 3:45:06 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Dark Skies

40 posted on 02/24/2005 3:52:53 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Dark Skies

http://www.3dweb.no/galleri/stuestolbm/bilder/anim1.swf


41 posted on 02/24/2005 4:14:39 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Howlin; USF; Valin; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado
Thx...actually, this was more a matter of a poster (me) following the general evolution of thought from previous posts and commenting on the current article with an eye to that general evolution of thought (as it was addressed by other posts on FR).

In this particular case, there were articles by Daniel Pipes and others that spoke to the frustration among many in the nation as to the perceived lack of "clear speaking" regarding various events pertaining to the war on terror.

I would wonder instead what kind of manifestation of poor manners it is to troll from thread to thread in search of possible (hopeful) violations against such prohibitions of bad manners.

I don't mean you, Howlin, but no one likes a tattletale. They are always exercising the worse kind of manners. What kind of small mind is it that runs to the teacher when an ever so small breach of good taste "might" have occurred.

Well, I think that summarizes my perspective in this tea pot tempest.

42 posted on 02/24/2005 4:16:32 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Fred Nerks

Don't go gettin cute on me...you know I can't resist cats.


43 posted on 02/24/2005 4:18:10 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Howlin
It's against forum rules to carry "incidents" from thread to thread. / If you get involved in an argument in one thread, it's considered poor manners to restart the previous argument in the middle of an unrelated thread.

I think you misunderstand... when I wrote "incidents" this morning, I was referring to the crimes etc mentioned in the articles posted and the thoughts of their authors, not arguments on those threads (if there were any).

44 posted on 02/24/2005 4:37:38 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Dark Skies
I don't mean you, Howlin, but no one likes a tattletale.

Oh, you don't; then who?

What kind of small mind is it that runs to the teacher when an ever so small breach of good taste "might" have occurred.

I didn't run to anybody except the people involved.

If I had, I would have hit abuse on your #9; but I'm of the mind that people's post like that should stand so others will be able to see the "manners" on display.

45 posted on 02/24/2005 5:12:36 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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Ok- I'll risk it (change of topic).

My brain has difficulty ever wrapping around the whole kid-glove treatment the Saudi's get- no matter what. I seem to recall we don't get an enormous amount of oil from them- but obviously many other countries do- plus we do a lot of other business with them. So I've surmised if we really got tough with them- the ramifications would have a negative effect on the global economy- hence our economy.

It simply doesn't make sense to treat them with such deference when they are subsidizing the Hate America mantra...


46 posted on 02/24/2005 5:22:15 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: Howlin; USF; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado
Oh, you don't; then who?

Oh...I assumed a much smaller person actually tattled to you. But you are saying it was you. That you were that little person.

And I guess you didn't notice that I also apologized to the person who launched the first volley of personal attacks. And I presume you didn't follow the whole thread.

I don't usually recommend life-style changes. But, in your case, I'll take the risk: if you could lighten up some (OK, a lot), I think you might have a future as a commedienne. But first, you must stop taking yourself so seriously.

47 posted on 02/24/2005 5:24:26 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies
Oh...I assumed a much smaller person actually tattled to you. But you are saying it was you. That you were that little person.

Are you under the impression that people can't read threads they aren't pinged to?

Why would somebody tattle to ME? I'm perfectly capable of reading threads myself.

And speaking of "little persons," your number 9 qualifies you are one, whether you apologized or not.

Like I said, let it stand. People will see who has the "manners" here.

48 posted on 02/24/2005 5:28:19 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin; USF; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado
Oh, cheese and crackers, School Marm...don't make me stay after school. I'll admit, unlike you, I am just a poor little human being. I guess I'll never be well-mannered enough to be a school marm.

But, School Marm? What is ill-mannered about "duck heads."

It'll take someone of your sophistication and knowledge of, well, adult things, to tell me what is wrong with "duck heads."

49 posted on 02/24/2005 5:34:58 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

50 posted on 02/24/2005 6:20:08 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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