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Posted on 02/22/2005 9:30:23 AM PST by Willie Green
If and when you get into that end zone,
act like you've been there a thousand times before
-- songwriter Gordon Downie
The lyrics of that song came to mind after reading of a multiple shooting over the weekend in Penn Hills. With another multiple shooting in Penn Hills a month ago and 14 shootings in this once-quiet eastern suburb since January of 2004, this isn't exactly rare.
But what makes the growing homicide rate in Penn Hills so notable is just who is doing the shooting. Most of the shooters in recent events have been African-Americans, a group who, a good decade or two ago, barely were visible in the area.
Since 1990, the black population of Penn Hills has doubled from 13 percent to 24 percent, according to the 2000 Census. The rate of aggravated assaults and homicides using firearms has escalated slowly over the past few years, police say.
It's as if black Pittsburghers have finally made enough advancements to move away from inner-city ghettoes, but some of us flatly refuse to leave our ghetto ways behind when we reach the 'burbs.
(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...
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Sow's ear, silk purse?
I grew up in Penn Hills in the 60's....what a change!
Black Americans are only 13 percent of the US population, yet 30 percent of those arrested for serious crimes were black, as were 41 percent of those arrested for violent crimes and 56 percent of those arrested for murder.
Black Americans are only 13 percent of the US population, yet make up nearly 40% of all abortions.
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I lived in a nice area of eastside Columbus Ohio in the late '70's while going to school there. Probably 1-3% blacks lived there. Pople really took care of their homes and most of the homes were built in the early '70's.
Went back there several years ago to check things out and could not believe how rundown it was. Don't know the % rate of blacks there now but based upon the cars and people I saw it was alot. I also saw some homes with bars on the windows which I never saw before. I used to ride my bicycle ther even later at night without ever a problem and was never concerned. No way would I go through that area today on a bike.
Why can people just not litter? Trash everywhere. Very unkempt homes and just plain rundown from neglect-not from age.
Not to argue, but I have a hard time beleiving blacks are only 13% of the population.
You are right, they are only 12.9% of the population - and this included all those who checked off "black as well as other races" http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-5.pdf
You must be talking about Whitehall. The local economy has sagged considerably. In addition, it offers a pool of cheap housing for the poor, because people are getting pushed out of the South Side, the Near East Side, and Italian Village by gentrification.
Same thing has happened in the Fox Valley area of Wisconsin. Lots of blacks and Hispanics from Milwaukee and Chicago have moved up here to Green Bay throughout the 90s. Green Bay is turning into a mini-Milwaukee now.
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Source for this "stat" please?
"Black Americans are only 13 percent of the US population, yet 30 percent of those arrested for serious crimes were black, as were 41 percent of those arrested for violent crimes and 56 percent of those arrested for murder.
Black Americans are only 13 percent of the US population, yet make up nearly 40% of all abortions."
Well, you know that's all OUR FAULT. They certainly played no part in their demise.
We don't have black people but we still have crime. Oddly, the most crime-ridden parts of the county are the poorest.
There are many - here are a few (have the overall black abortion rate in the mid 30's but in some states it reaches nearly 50%- I have seen stats that have it even higher - will try to dig up):
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Carchive%5C200502%5CSPE20050207a.html
http://afgen.com/pro_life.html
http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/characteristics.html
http://www.christianity.com/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID4211%7CCHID102758%7CCIID367285,00.html
Every source I check has whites at 54-61% and Blacks at @ 35%, but all those include Hispanic with black.
Are those 40% of abortions state funded or paid for by the "recipient?"
"We don't have black people but we still have crime."
Do you mean in your neighborhood? (I'm not following you.)
"Oddly, the most crime-ridden parts of the county are the poorest."
Makes me wonder: Are Hispanic neighborhoods crime-ridden due to poverty?
If black Ameridcans in black crime-ridden neighborhoods fault you and me and the government (as I firmly believe), then do poor Hispanics in crime-ridden neighborhoods blame us for their demise as well, or are Hispanics more prone to assuming some modicum of responsiblity?
Perhaps that's just a strawman.
Sadly Penn Hills has become bascially the ghetto suburbs... nearly wound up moving there in the late 90s... Glad that deal fell through.
Its truly sad too, because there are lots of respectable and decent folks there, and the "hip hop culture" is dragging it all down.
Skin color ain't the problem. Lack of character, that's the problem.
Yes
It was the Whithall area. Back then it was middle class but not upper MC. but still a very nice neighborhood for the time...and at the time very clean and well kept.
Amen
Thank you so much for the ping! My son and his girlfriend live in a secure building, but I noticed when I was there last year people will block the door open while they unload goceries 'nat. He's at work right now so I can't call until later tonight. Sheesh...more to worry about.
Very true. Even though blacks are involved in so much crime does not mean they are breeders of crime. To my knowledge, all blacks do not have some kind of gene that makes them more criminally active than whites. Most crime happens in areas of poverty and the majority of blacks probably live in areas of poverty.
And also true, as someone posted earlier (I think), that the MSM has a big part to answer for in shoving this way of life down the throats of blacks, telling them that this is their culture and how they should live.
There is something very very insidious about something for nothing. I honestly believe that had welfare never existed the blacks as a whole in America would be much better off by now. Heck, all Americans as a whole would be much better off without welfare.
This difference is even more interesting when one considers that the civil rights movement was in full force in the 60s and many segregationist and discriminatory practices were (supposedly) ending. One would have expected the above graph to show almost the exact opposite. It would be interesting to look at the rates since welfare reform, but no figures/charts are available. Why would these differences occur? Relieved from the responsibility of having to provide for a family, perhaps some black men worked less? I realize this is just speculation, but it is worth considering. Another possible contributor might be raises in the minimum wage which, counter-intuitively, hurt the populations most people think they were designed to help. (101), (102)
What about the children of these young (or divorced) single black mothers? Judging by the past charts (Chart 17 and Chart 18, we see that from 1965-1975 the largest number of African American single mothers were forming. So, the children of these mothers would be 17 years old from 1982-1992. Chart 25 tells us that over 80% of black children born (roughly) in this era experienced some form of welfare (recall, this 'welfare' is broadly defined) by age 17. Compare the time period when these children would be 17 (1982-1992) to the following chart on prison admissions, Chart 31, (42):
What explains the skyrocketing rate of African American incarceration? It is so sharp and sudden there must be an explanation. I will offer a possible hypothesis:
The exponential growth in single motherhood that began in the late 60s/early 70s was a double headed monster. First, the men who would have been married to these women were not tied down by family responsibilities, and did not develop strong emotional ties with their wives and children and thus led more erratic lifestyles that ended some in trouble with the law. Secondly, the children raised by these single mothers suffered from poverty that their mothers were unable to escape because of the previously mentioned work penalties imposed by the government. This was not severe poverty, because the government provided nearly everything essential, but a poverty in which there was little financial freedom. Children must also have been influenced by the mother's conflicted mental state; she hated being dependant on the government, and perhaps regretted her single mother status, but was unable to achieve financial freedom because whenever she came close, her basic essentials were snatched away en-mass by the government. This frustrated slide of self-esteem and shrinking dignity may have rubbed off on her children. Boys, who had no father figure to model, only had their peers, or perhaps they found a family friend or neighborhood figure to model. Failing schools, poor neighborhoods, the proliferation of public housing units (which tended to congregate/centralize recipients of public assistance), and a broken family structure made these boys more likely to become involved in drugs, gangs and criminal activities, which often ended them in jail. A young girl, faced with the same deteriorating conditions as her brother and despite warnings by her mother, was at higher risk (some studies say between 100-200% higher (243)) for engaging in risky sexual activity and continuing the cycle with a premarital pregnancy (consider the stagnating wages of these areas and the financial cost/benefit statistics from Chart 14).
The Heritage foundation, using 1992-1993 data, found interesting correlations between crime and single motherhood, Chart 32 (43) :
What has happened to the crime rates since Welfare Reform? Chart 33 (51):
ug - dont know why charts didn't form... i guess go to link to view them.
Sort of like Lord of the Flies... Pretty much same end result too.
I sure agree with that. I grew up in what had been a gov't housing project built in the 40's. Rowhouses. When I was growing up in the 50's, it was about half white and half black. No one had much money, but the lawns were neat, the neighborhood was clean, and on most week-ends the fathers were organizing sports, games, movies, etc. for the kids. Almost all of them were pushing the kids to get to college somehow.
By the 70's, the neighborhood had mostly single mothers in it. Some with boyfriends on their way to or from jail. Abandoned cars everywhere. No more lawns. Broken windows. Etc. It was about 75% Black.
Moynihan was right. Welfare ruined the Black family structure. But whites who abandoned the family structure haven't fared any better than the Blacks who did.
Good point there dha
bttt
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