Forensic Scientists reveal what Jesus may have looked like as a 12-year old

Catholic News Agency ^ | February 12, 2005

[ichabod1]

So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live

I believe that in 2 Kings it says that some later went on to worship the bronze serpent, thereby doing what was wicked in the sight of the Lord.

[ichabod1]

That is a computer generated model of a neanderthal man that was the subject of some highly speculative documentaries a while back, NOT of Jesus.

[k2blader]

Laughable.

From what we know (the Bible), Jesus was a physically plain person.

[ichabod1]

Iconoclast heresy was crushed

Nice turn of phrase.

[nmh]

Pity them...


I do ...

[nmh]

You really don't think people will "worship" this?

LOL!

Walk into a few churches and see them pray TO the statute.

[ichabod1]

The second commandment is clear enough that a child can understand. You are not to make a graven image, or likeness and you are not to bow down to it or serve it.

You sound like a muxzle. We don't worship the symbol. We worship what the symbol points to. It is an aid to prayer, nothing more.

[nmh]

"Here's some news; the Iconoclast heresy was crushed finally in 843. The First Sunday in Great Lent is called the Sunday of Orthodoxy and commemorates the restoration of the icons to Churches and homes."

Huh?

What are you talking about?

Do you have a Bible passage stating that? I don't remember seeing THAT in the Bible.

[nmh]

Josephus Flavious (spelling) said something similar about Jesus - not attractive. How Jesus came to this earth is not what many want to believe - lowly manger with animals ... but it is true!

When He comes back, watch out! it will be majestic.

[nmh]

"You may be the odd ball."

Why is it people like YOU always have to disagree and end with an insult?

[rwfromkansas]

There are a couple specific instances in which God allowed statues, but generally, any sort of graven image is sinful.

[rwfromkansas]

And, it is not the worship of them that is wrong, but the very construction of them because by even constructing them, you are considering them more important than worshipping the invisible Christ.

[ichabod1]

Between 1920 and 1940, millions of copies of the bare-shouldered, curly-haired, blond Jesus were sold, reflecting a wistful devoutness, a sweet piety, that was a hallmark of pre-Vatican II Catholicism, and of American Christianity in general.

My goodness, this makes me want to cry. I want that simplicity and innocence back. Dammit, the left has stolen it from me and I want it back.

Vatican II was like the tempting of the serpent and the eating of the apple in the garden.

[television is just wrong]

My grandmother had the print of the second pic in your last post.

[DocRock]

"You sound like a muxzle.

Care to define muxzle?

"We don't worship the symbol. We worship what the symbol points to. It is an aid to prayer, nothing more.

Please re-read my post. I said nothing about you worshiping a symbol, what a symbol points to, or prayer aids.

[ichabod1]

great humility

Humility and great courage and strength. One thing I never realized as a child was how followers of The Way are still cursed and mocked just like our Lord.

[ichabod1]

Ye shall know them by their fruits.

[olde north church]

Humility and great courage and strength. One thing I never realized as a child was how followers of The Way are still cursed and mocked just like our Lord.
unbelievable

[nmh]

"If you search the scriptures, (cf. John 5:39), you will find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts! "

Hey, I used Bible verses. It's unwise to twist HIS words around ... Okay, John 5:39 states:

[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

This verse doesn't condone the use of statutes. it does tell you to read the Bible and when you do STATUES and other graven images are NOT to be part of worship.


"There are many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20)."

That was NOT a statute. It was also NOT to be worshiped. The directions on how to make this box like thing were directly from God.

"David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all," included statues of angels."

It's fine of God tells you to make something however He NEVER instructed anyone to make statues for worship - anywhere. I Chr. 28:18-19 is for an alter. Part of the ornamentation again has cherubims. He is very consistent. HE has the RIGHT to ask us to do ANYTHING. WE do NOT have the right to make this stuff. NOR in ANY part of the Bible are statues and other ornaments condemned. They are ALL condemned.

"Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim."

Again God has the right to tell US what to do and create according to His instructions. Again, cherubim is created. Isn't it interesting that NONE of these exist today? Aren't you curious as to why He liked cherubin? Are you familiar with what cherubin represent? Or is this simply a green light for you to accept statues of people etc.?

"During a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to "make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live" (Num. 21:8–9). "

Yes ...

[8] And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

[9] And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

Again God can tell US what to do however we have NO business making statues or images. He forbade US from doing that. It was symbolic. Don't you understand the symbolism going on?

I don't understand how you can put fallible man on the same level as God. He can do anything BUT He FORBIDES US from making images and statues on our own because people tend worship it. We are NOT allowed to make ANY images etc. because of this. And it is highly unlikely that an image of JESUS will be left behind for us.


One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations.

Of course you can do whatever you want but an image of Christ is HIGHLY inconsistent with how He has spoken of images - in truth is is a distraction for people. It is NOT important how He looks. Appearances are deceiving.