Homeschooling Under Fire in 2005 Legislative Sessions

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[cbkaty]

But if the tests are filled with leftist drivel, which is the case in many states, then I have a problem.

How do we get the leftist drivel (i.e. indian Churchill) out of the public school system?

[Bald Eagle777]

Check out this link to an online version of the Communist Manifest. How many key Marxist planks have been implemented?? You decide.

http://eserver.org/marx/1848-communist.manifesto/cm2.txt

Here are the infamous 10 points from the Communist Manifest... For all those liberal jerks out there, this does NOT even "look good on paper" ... The rest of the document is filled with similar crap. The selected quote folows:

"These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty
generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of
land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a
national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he
hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the
state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the
improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial
armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual
abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a
more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of
children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of
education with industrial production, etc.

When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared,
and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast
association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its
political character."

Marx sucks ! Sorry, kiddos, no homeschooling! It's not Communist!! Unreal.

[hsmomx3]

I don't think it will ever happen. The system is too far gone for any changes. We'll just have to keep our kids out of colleges. Why not study from home? I know that is unrealistic, esp. if you plan on majoring in law, medicine, etc. We need more start-up colleges.

[Bald Eagle777]

Typo: ManifestO, not that the filthy rag deserves any honor, like Mao-Tse-Doo-Doo..

I didn't proofread, just wanted to get the info out there... the 10 points ... Need to be vigilant !

[hsmomx3]

What is Melrose like? Is it very liberal?

[cgbg]

how do we get the leftists out of the public school system

So glad you asked. :-)

In your local school system we need to be agitators, activists, and tick off a lot of people by being in their face and refusing to back down. Demand teachers be fired, if necessary run campaigns against school board members, and have a "never say die" attitude.

Long-term we need to abolish public schools and focus on innovative ways the Internet can be used to teach kids the basics.

Compulsory public education is a socialist concept that has only been in effect for a hundred and fifty years. Hopefully a hundred and fifty years from now it will be a distant and horrid memory.

[Tench_Coxe]

It really boils down to: To whom do the children belong, the parents or the State?

[cbkaty]

Putting this all in perspective:

I wander what the quality & price of Autos would be if we were all forced to buy from a gubmint dealer?

I wander what the quality & price of food would be if we were all forced to buy from a gubmint supermarket?

I wander what the quality & price of housing would be if we were all forced to buy from a gubmint home builder?

We already know what the quality & price of education is at gubmint schools!

[Types_with_Fist]

They're con artists, pure and simple.

We were members of HSLDA because we homeschool our three children (everyone recommended we join right away). We’ve needed their help on several occasions while dealing with a decidedly crooked school district here in Colorado (District 60 is infamous in its corruption). Several state and federal issues cropped up regarding our youngest child, who is Down Syndrome. In one of many instances the principal, teacher and a couple of district social workers called for and held an IEP meeting without even notifying us in advance or afterward. The paperwork showed us as “not in attendance.” Livid… we battled the district to have the file amended (which they accidentally gave us when we removed our son from school). With this situation and several others we’ve found ourselves in against this power-hungry and crooked school district we’ve never received so much as a return phone call from the folks at HSLDA. We are no longer members of this group and find ourselves again battling the social workers in District 60 as they attempt to infiltrate our son’s charter setup with an accredited school he works with online and at home (the district obviously resents the online school and the state law as its system has sometimes been used to facilitate some activities with our son). At any rate, as for the HSLDA, we are not afraid of the district and will fend them off without the help of the HSLDA just as we did when we were members. The only difference between then and now, we feel, is the fact that this organization does not receive our membership fee.

[jude24]

Precisely.

HSLDA likes the membership dues, but when the crunch time comes, their legal representatives are less than adequate. At least they were there, sort of, for my friend, though the only reason they don't have a malpractice suit against them is that my friend doesn't want to sue.

Maybe the moral of the story is that good legal representation costs more than $20/yr. Otherwise, you get the HMO of legal counsel.

[N3WBI3]

You mean the test which will include stories about great homosexual role models? seriously.. Some of these laws say the kids should be tested on a state cirr..

[N3WBI3]

In the first place education is (or should be) a state activity.

why?

[expat_panama]

In the first place education is (or should be) a state activity.  why?

Wow-- what blast from the past!  Now, I don't mind chatting about the subjects because mankind's need for the state and need for education are subjects that interest me.   

Please help me out here because I'm really curious as to what it was that kept you from following the discussion in posts 4, 9, 12, 15, 17, and 20, -- maybe it was hard to follow, there something not covered, or maybe you mean "why!" like the little kid that just doesn't want to go upstairs at bed time (why daddy, why why why!).  IMHO, most freepers are reasonable, and most noisy freepers are dickweeds.   I'll give you the benefit of the doubt; IOW let's say you really mean "why?" and not "why!".  

But I don't know where you are in this thread--- you have to tell me what your values are -are you for or against the state, for or against learning, etc.

[HungarianGypsy]

My daughter might be able to do well with a state curriculum (she likes worksheets and such), but she prefers working with the Charlotte Mason method. She has an incredible memory (I have read her long stories and asked her to narrate back. When I thought she wasn't listening, she narrated back details that I had not even paid attention to). It works best for her.
My boys on the other hand, all learn differently. I have a hands-on literal type (going to start Montessori and some unit studies with him. he's in Kindergarten this year) and a visual learner, also (he's doing Classical Education this year). I know in my little family I have many different types of learners, who are interested in learning different things at different times. A state curriculum just would not work for my family. They would get bored quickly and not retain as much.

[expat_panama]

Home schooling is like so much in this world-- it's changing a lot faster than I can form opinions about it.  Different families have different needs and different resources so the Texas Tech schedule might be good for me and not for you all..

I'm a great civil engineer and a so-so educator.  OTOH, my wife is one terrific educator and she can glance at a course schedule and say what's good, what's bad, and what's missing.   What I personally like about the Tech program is the kids are covering all the subjects that their peers elsewhere are going over so they will not be saddled with any disadvantages.   Also they enjoy it, and it's a program where I can check their progress.

All this has to be kept in perspective, that 'book-learning' is just one part of a parent's total set of responsibilities.  It will never take the place of spiritual education, developing a work ethic, music appreciation, and other stuff like nutrition and physical safety.