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And we lost a greater proportion of people back in 1783...and we somehow managed to survive.

Good-bye to you...and good riddance.

1 posted on 02/08/2005 3:06:43 AM PST by Pharmboy
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... and don't come back.


2 posted on 02/08/2005 3:10:50 AM PST by MadAnthony1776 ("liberalism" = "do as I say, not as I do")
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Rollin, rollin, rollin, keep those traitors rollin, Rawhide!..If you are think'in..It's a'north I'm head'in... don't let that door hit you broadside.....


3 posted on 02/08/2005 3:13:09 AM PST by Route101
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Perhaps it could be arranged to have these people tour Mexico conducting seminars on how bad life is in the US. Those people are voting with their feet too.


4 posted on 02/08/2005 3:13:53 AM PST by drt1
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Melanie Redman, 30, assistant director of the Epilepsy Foundation in Seattle, said she had put her Volvo up for sale and hoped to be living in Toronto by the summer.

Oh the sacrifice, a liberal without a Volvo. Just hope she can keep a token of the car, such as the ubiquitous "mean people suck" bumper sticker.

5 posted on 02/08/2005 3:14:09 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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Go, please.

Some reality based education will be good for you.


6 posted on 02/08/2005 3:14:32 AM PST by DB (©)
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This is, indeed, good news. Now, if we could only get those Canadians, who are fed up with the U.C.S.R. (Union of Canadian Socialist Republics), to move down here to replace them, it would be one more positive aspect of the 2004 election.


7 posted on 02/08/2005 3:16:54 AM PST by David Isaac
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Oh no! What will we do with out the fresh quiche?


8 posted on 02/08/2005 3:17:27 AM PST by SampleMan ("Yes I am drunk, very drunk. But you madam are ugly, and tomorrow morning I shall be sober." WSC)
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They may find their "refuge" is short lived. It is likely the Liberals will be toppled by the Conservatives in the next election.

Regards, Ivan


11 posted on 02/08/2005 3:19:56 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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she had put her Volvo up for sale and hoped to be living in Toronto by the summer.

What - they don't allow Volvos in Toronto?

12 posted on 02/08/2005 3:20:48 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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Not everybody is prepared to live their political values, but these are people who are,

Oh, yeah, THESE are people who are "living their political values".

Never mind the 290 MILLION who are staying in America, but THESE FEW are true believers.

14 posted on 02/08/2005 3:23:10 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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'Welcome to Canada! Please remove your Constitutional protections and leave them by the door.'


15 posted on 02/08/2005 3:24:31 AM PST by Monti Cello (We've got to move these refrigerators. We've got to move these color TV's.)
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that more are pursuing a move above the 49th parallel

The sooner these people get to the 48th parallel, the better.

16 posted on 02/08/2005 3:30:24 AM PST by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out!


17 posted on 02/08/2005 3:38:31 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
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Discrimination through a points system? I am stunned! I was certain that they were allowing ten of thousands to cross ( illegally ) every day. How un-liberal.


18 posted on 02/08/2005 3:42:08 AM PST by Grateful One
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he is busily seeking work across the border in Canada

He'll soon find out being a lumberjack is hard work.


20 posted on 02/08/2005 3:55:12 AM PST by chainsaw (Hillary Clinton-June 2004 - "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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he was finding it almost impossible from that distance to land a job in Canada.

It isn't the distance.

The brain drain from Canada averages around 25,000 per year. Their best come to America for a better life and the moochers stay there.

22 posted on 02/08/2005 4:02:05 AM PST by Reeses (What a person sees is mostly behind their eyeballs rather than in front.)
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So this article is based on two people who "intend to" move and inquiries at the Canadian immigration authorities. As far as I can tell (and I will admit that I abandoned this article mid-stream), it does not include a single, actual living person who has left the US for Canada over the Bush election.


24 posted on 02/08/2005 4:06:37 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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Ahhhhhhhhhh more elbow room.


25 posted on 02/08/2005 4:06:47 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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"Canada or Bust"

Yawwwwwn ...

bust

26 posted on 02/08/2005 4:07:40 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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The Liberals are moving up to get away from Bush, The Queers are moving up to get married. Canadas health cars system is about to get strained with aids patients and mental deficients. Cant understand why that one liberal cant take her Volvo with her, too bad. To all I wish you well and have a nice trip a-holes.


29 posted on 02/08/2005 4:10:21 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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the Niagara of liberal angst just after Mr. Bush's victory

More like a trickle from a rusty faucet in dark abandoned basement.

30 posted on 02/08/2005 4:13:34 AM PST by Jhensy
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Some Democrats still plan to leave the U.S after Bush winning re-election
International Herald Tribune ^

Posted on 02/06/2005

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1337526/posts

http://www.voccoquan.com/barbaric/fifteen%20minutes.htm

The Barbaric Yawp

Christopher Key


My fifteen minutes of fame



It didn’t happen overnight. I have been increasingly uncomfortable with the political and social values of America ever since the ascension of King George the Unelected back in 2000. Somewhere in the wee hours of November 3rd, 2004, I realized that America was no longer the country that I have loved and believed in all my life. I don’t know how to explain it. The voters in this country seem to be suffering from sort of mass delusion.

This time, George W. Bush was actually elected by a majority of the voters. Here is a man who has failed miserably at everything he has ever done. That is not my opinion. It is established fact. Here is a man who has lied shamelessly over and over again to the American public. That is not my opinion. It is established fact. Here is a man who has managed to make America hated by half the world and held in contempt by the other half. That is not my opinion. It is established fact.

I don’t want to be tarred with that brush. I have consistently opposed the policies that have resulted in this sad state of affairs. It makes me very uncomfortable to call myself an American.

My family came to this country in the early 1600s. My direct ancestor wrote the words to the American national anthem. I am a Vietnam veteran, a member of the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Until this last election, I couldn’t imagine anything that would make me leave the land I love so much.

I have always believed that America stood for freedom and tolerance and diversity. That, it seems, is no longer true. Fundamentalist Christians seem to have gained the upper hand and seek to impose their narrow religious beliefs on the rest of us. Our president is owned by them, body and soul. They elected him and they are calling in their chips.

Mandatory Christian prayer in the schools is one of their goals. Repealing the abortion laws is another. Constitutional discrimination against gays and lesbians is yet another. Like all religious fanatics, the American evangelical right believes that they are ordained by God to judge the rest of us. Judgment, according to the Christian Bible, is reserved for God. When people arrogate this right unto themselves, it results in exclusion.

As an ordained minister, I believe that our founding fathers intended us to have freedom of religion. Most of them were Deists. I believe they also intended us to have freedom from religion. Under the Bush administration, America has come dangerously close to becoming a theocracy. It will only get worse now that the Bush administration believes it has a mandate.

Can someone please explain to me how this is any better than the Taliban? Or any better than the hordes of Muslim fundamentalists who seek the destruction of America? The only difference I see is that American happens to have the power to enforce its will. We all know what Lord Acton had to say about that.

Rather than trying to understand why we were attacked on Sept. 11, 2001, we have sought to exact an Old Testament vengeance. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth will leave us all blind and toothless. Instead of making America safer, the Bush administration has created a whole new generation of terrorists even more bent on the destruction of this country. I don’t know of a single American who feels safer today than they did before Sept. 11.

This is the predictable result of an administration that cynically played on the fears of Americans in order to get elected. Manipulating the electorate by using fear is so shamefully un-American that I felt I could no longer live with what we have become. So I made the decision to move to Canada, a country that lives up to those values of freedom and tolerance and diversity that America once stood for.

Anyone who thinks that this decision was taken lightly simply doesn’t understand the situation. This isn’t about petulance over having been outvoted. This is about being unable to accept what I see as a betrayal of the values America’s founders stood for. It is not comfortable for me to be identified with a country that does not reflect my political and social values. Canada reflects those values, so I made my choice.

When I expressed those sentiments to my Canadian friend Dave Pollard, he encouraged me to post them on the Moving to Canada, Eh? Weblog. Little did I know what an impact that would have.

Somehow, CBC picked up on my comments and contacted me. They asked if I would be willing to go live on The National and explain myself. Knowing that it would not be seen by most Americans, I agreed. So I got my first few minutes of fame on The National on November 29. It was an honor to participate in that program.

As a journalist who got his start in television, I knew that it would not be an in-depth examination of the issues. Television, by its very nature, is superficial. CBC is not as guilty of this as its American counterparts, but it is still guilty. I had about two minutes to explain what is taking me much longer in print. Despite the limitations, I got nothing but positive feedback from my many Canadian friends and from the few Americans who saw the broadcast.

There were other repercussions, however. I live in a very quiet middle American neighborhood. Norman Rockwell would have painted this street if he was still alive. Having a CBC satellite truck parked in my driveway for several hours caused more excitement than this neighborhood was ready to handle. There was a lot of gossip, most of which was unfounded. One of my neighbors, upon seeing Canadians in the ‘hood, made a point of hanging out his American flag.

Some of the neighbors eventually got up the courage to ask me what was going on. I played it straight. I told them what was happening and why. Interestingly enough, there was no condemnation. One of my neighbors, a die hard Bush supporter, engaged me in conversation. She was totally gracious and supported my right to feel the way I do. We both agreed that civil discourse seems to have broken down in America. Why, then, can’t the country as a whole be as respectful of each other’s opinions as we were? She hit me up for a contribution to the local Hospice and I gave them something for their auction.

We met again at the neighborhood Christmas party tonight and chatted amiably, not even mentioning our political differences. This is the America I believe in. Why can’t it exist beyond this neighborhood? Of course, my neighbor doesn’t know about my female to male transgender son. That might change her attitude.

Having experienced the vicious hatred and bigotry displayed toward my son, I have lost my illusions about Americans as being tolerant. My son did not choose to be who he is. He just happened to be born in the wrong body. And he had the courage to do something about it.

Americans have a notable incapacity for reading and understanding history. When I was growing up, this country discriminated against African Americans. I am proud to have marched for civil rights in my younger days. Now, gays, lesbians and transgenders are the new niggers. Americans seem to have some deep seated need to feel superior to someone. When I was growing up, it was blacks. Now it is those who do not fit into our narrow definitions of gender.

In the recent election, 11 states voted to outlaw gay marriage. Canada has just voted to legalize gay marriage. Which country represents freedom and tolerance? Which country puts human rights above religious belief?

Back to the media circus. Some researcher at NBC saw my appearance on CBC and asked if I would be willing to speak my piece on their nightly newscast. This represented a serious dilemma for me. I am editor of a monthly business magazine. Obviously, a wild-eyed radical. I have gone to extreme lengths not to let my political beliefs affect how I report the news.

If you know anything about American business, you will realize that the majority of my readers are conservative Republicans. I explained this to NBC and said that I didn’t want to compromise my journalistic credibility by expressing my political beliefs on the air. They said they understood and agreed to call me Charles Key in their piece.

Small favor. I suggested they call me by that name because it is my first name. I hate the name and never use it. I go by Christopher, my middle name. I doubt that it will do much to hide my identity from my readers. So be it. I may have burned my bridges. NBC’s piece aired tonight. They fixated on my relationship to my ancestor who wrote the national anthem. It was even more superficial than the CBC piece.

But, for better or for worse, I am now a reluctant celebrity in both nations. If my publisher, a conservative Republican, saw the news, I may be out of a job. If my readers saw it, my credibility as a journalist may be shot. Somehow, I find myself able to live with that. I have honestly expressed my feelings. If I get run out of America on a rail, I will be able to sleep well, knowing that I have expressed feelings that many other Americans haven’t had the opportunity to do.

The NBC correspondent asked me if I somehow felt like a traitor to my nation. I responded that if I am a traitor, so were the founding fathers of America. They left a political system that they could no longer believe in and founded a nation based on different values. They were traitors to the British Empire.

If I am a traitor to the American Empire, I can live with that. Fortunately, I don’t have to create another country that reflects my values. There’s a perfectly good one just 30 miles away. God and Canadian Immigration willing, I will make my next post from my adoptive country.


31 posted on 02/08/2005 4:14:31 AM PST by maggief
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Its funny Canadians are more rigorous in admitting immigrants than we are. The Liberals don't just want any one to join their "perfect society." Come to think of it, if Canada's so great, why don't they want any one who is disaffected with living in a laissez-faire society? Good question.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

33 posted on 02/08/2005 4:15:42 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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A) Let's see if they do indeed go.

B) And if they do go, let's see how long they actually stay there.

35 posted on 02/08/2005 4:20:27 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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So how many Canucks are moving to the US?

We're sposed to believed that every American who seeks residency in Canada is doing it for political reasons. As much as I'd like to believe that droves of wacked out libs are vacating the country, common sense tells me that a good percentage of the folks are going to Canada for professional and personal relationship reasons.


36 posted on 02/08/2005 4:22:03 AM PST by elli1
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This is excellent news. I sure hope Canada doesn't turn any of them away. I know SEVERAL down here that I wish were headed up there.


37 posted on 02/08/2005 4:24:06 AM PST by Old Grumpy
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The whole piece was amusing. Also shows the immaturity of the liberal mind, by the time they get the "100 month" plan complete Jeb Bush will be serving the last few months of his second term!
39 posted on 02/08/2005 4:26:46 AM PST by AlbertWang
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Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.


42 posted on 02/08/2005 4:28:53 AM PST by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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Give up your citizenship so I will not have to pay taxes to keep you up!!!!!


43 posted on 02/08/2005 4:29:21 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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I don't believe it! A bunch of libs who are as good as their word! I thought finding a lib who actually was as good as their word was like finding Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth fairy!


45 posted on 02/08/2005 4:31:16 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Liberals hate solving problems because once the problem is solved, you don't need liberals !)
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Too bad Melanie is taking the twins to Canada, eh?

47 posted on 02/08/2005 4:32:10 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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Don't let the border gate hit you in the arse!!!! Good riddance.


51 posted on 02/08/2005 4:36:22 AM PST by Jackknife (No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation.-MacArthur)
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Couldn't resist. 8^)

52 posted on 02/08/2005 4:39:47 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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A really excellent story to atart the day out on. I hope they take their friends with them!!!!


54 posted on 02/08/2005 4:44:02 AM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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"she had put her Volvo up for sale "

It's very possible that the Volvo isn't paid for and the lender doesn't want it moved permanently to Canada.

59 posted on 02/08/2005 4:48:01 AM PST by SCALEMAN (Super Cards/Rams Fan)
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But even a small loss of residents, many of whom cite a deep sense of political despair, is a significant event in the life of a nation that thinks of itself as a place to escape to.

Give me a break. If they don't want to be here, they should leave. It's called freedom. It's not a significant event of any kind.

BTW. I'd bet most of these people admire Castro who will not allow people to leave his island paridise. How ironic.

60 posted on 02/08/2005 4:50:13 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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Mr. Gorde, who runs Vatex, a company in Richmond, Va., that creates promotional campaigns for corporate clients.

I had a good friend who worked for Vatex some years ago. Basically, it started as hippies silkscreening t-shirts and grew. She said it was too hippy-dippy-lib there for her, and she was a committed liberal! Far out, man...
61 posted on 02/08/2005 4:51:41 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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Cool! This will rid the United States of a lot of ingrates, traitors and leftist losers who do nothing but drag us down anyway.

We'll be much better off, and they can go enjoy their socialist Shangri-La above the 49th.

Buh-Bye!!!

63 posted on 02/08/2005 5:03:01 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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Oh... and why don't you take Mike Moore with you?


65 posted on 02/08/2005 5:06:16 AM PST by Preachin' (Democrats know that they can never run on their real agenda.)
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The election that just keeps on giving. Does anyone really think America is diminished by the departure of these losers? Not a "producer" in the bunch. Good riddance.

Great way to start the day!


67 posted on 02/08/2005 5:09:25 AM PST by get'emall (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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Canadian officials decide on potential immigrants by awarding points for certain skills or attributes. Being 21 to 49 years old is worth 10 points, for instance. A bachelor's degree is worth 20, a master's 25, with up to 21 points for certain work experience and 24 points for being fluent in English and French. At the moment, 67 points are required to qualify for the visa.

So, unless you are fluent in Frog, the most you can possibly score is 56 points, and you cannot get into the country.

68 posted on 02/08/2005 5:10:24 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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"America is in no danger of emptying out. But even a small loss of residents, many of whom cite a deep sense of political despair, is a significant event in the life of a nation that thinks of itself as a place to escape to."

Damn right it's a significant event! The less libs the better!


69 posted on 02/08/2005 5:13:33 AM PST by BillyCrockett
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Canadian officials decide on potential immigrants by awarding points for certain skills or attributes. Being 21 to 49 years old is worth 10 points, for instance. A bachelor's degree is worth 20, a master's 25, with up to 21 points for certain work experience and 24 points for being fluent in English and French. At the moment, 67 points are required to qualify for the visa.

Can't these folks just walk across the border, get a driver's license and blend into society??

Silly me.
I was thinking all countries had the same 'entrance requirements' we do.

(I do remember when we had a grip on immigration, ie.,health, job, sponsor.)

73 posted on 02/08/2005 5:17:01 AM PST by Vinnie
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Being 21 to 49 years old is worth 10 points, for instance. A bachelor's degree is worth 20, a master's 25, with up to 21 points for certain work experience and 24 points for being fluent in English and French. At the moment, 67 points are required to qualify for the visa.

But, but . . . this is reverse age discrimination. How could a good liberal ever live in Canada knowing this?

77 posted on 02/08/2005 5:25:25 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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Good riddance to bad rubbish is what I have to say. When the game gets tough these losers just walk away. That says it all.


80 posted on 02/08/2005 5:41:46 AM PST by piperpilot
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Uh, buh by. So long. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Far well. See ya later. Have a nice trip. (Note: we suffered through 8 years of Clinton, they can't life through 5 years of truth, justice and the American way)


82 posted on 02/08/2005 5:52:27 AM PST by irishtenor (If stupidity were painful, the Democrats would NEED paid health care...)
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It doesn't matter if they leave. The rat party will ensure that they continue to vote here forever.


84 posted on 02/08/2005 5:56:58 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Where does bandwidth go when it is wasted?)
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Poor Canada. Perhaps we should start up an "I'm Sorry - Not In My Name" site? Something along the lines of:

Oh Canada!
We sincerely apologize for the recent influx of unwashed ignorant narrow-minded sissy liberal weasels into your fair country.

Love
America

85 posted on 02/08/2005 5:57:12 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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All of these people seem to think that we conservatives are going to say "OH no don't go. We're sorry to have hurt your feelings by voting our convictions." After having to put up with the Clinton Administration for 8 years, all I have to say to these people is DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASS!
91 posted on 02/08/2005 8:03:18 AM PST by kempo
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the sooner these cowards, weasels and commies

are out of the USA the BETTER!

93 posted on 02/08/2005 8:18:47 AM PST by NoClones
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