N.Y. gay marriage ban struck down

Dallas Morning News ^

[Brilliant]

I question whether he will be overturned. Were the judges in Vermont and MA overturned? The only reason the judges in CA were overturned is that the election was imminent, and the liberal judges on the court decided that they did not want to make the voters mad on the eve of an election.

[longtermmemmory]

The new "dance" that judges are trying to hoop jump giving homosexuals marriage lite by saying it is not reaaaly marriage.

Remember as a GENERAL rule judges are lawyers who are products of law schools which are dominated by leftist professors.

[AntiGuv]

You need 3/4 of the states to ratify (as opposed to 2/3 of the congress).

[longtermmemmory]

oops right. But keep in mind more than that many states have already adopted marriage protection laws/amendments.

[Laura Lee]

I believe we must change the conversation about "Gay Marriage" and "civil rights" to CHILDREN'S NEEDS and society's RESPONSIBILITY to its future generations.

The institution of marriage exists, first and foremost, for the sake of society; primarily, it enhances the future of society. The very word "matrimony" has as its root the Latin word "mater," meaning mother. Motherhood or parenthood is the ROOT of marriage in very real terms.

Think about it: Why should society license any intimate relationship between two human beings? What benefits does the larger society derive from regulating love relationships? We don't license friendships. We don't license pen-pals, or any sort of personal give-and-take between two people unless their relationship CREATES something (or someone) that society has a stake in.

A society has no larger or more cosmic benefit than to propagate itself. Likewise, a society has no larger or more far-reaching responsibility than to protect its offspring. By so doing, the society is protecting its own future. By failing to do so, a society is sowing the seeds of its own destruction.

Children need the guidance and love of both a male and a female parent. Sociological research has established this self-evident fact, so nobody can rationally deny it. The only argument gay rights activists can offer is that there are plenty of bad heterosexual parents, or missing parents, etc. That is true but it does not change the fact that society has a responsibility to protect children and uphold a standard, no matter how many people fail to live up to that standard.

We must work to change the dialogue about gay marriage from one of adult's civil rights to that of children's NEEDS and society's RESPONSIBILITIES, not only to the children of today but to the future of the society itself.

My slogan is, "Children's needs trump adult 'rights' every time."

We cannot allow homosexual love relationships to be elevated to the same social status as heterosexual ones, not if we value our future.

[unlearner]

"I want to marry 100 women. Polygamy should be legalized too"

Some day you will thank God for unanswered prayers.

[Elsie]

Why brother?


Why not his SISTER??

There ain't a LAW agin it; is there?????

[Elsie]

 

...not if we value our future.

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......not if we value our SOULS!!!!!

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Genesis 13:13
  Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.
 

Genesis 18:20-21
 20.  Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
 21.  that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
 4.  Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. 
 5.  They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
 6.  Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
 7.  and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Isaiah 3:9
 9.  The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

 More?

Ezekiel 16:49-50
 49.  "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
 50.  They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

 

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But there IS hope!!!

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1 Corinthians 6:9-11
 9.  Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
 10.  nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 11.  And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....

[Skylus]

This happened to be the main discussion/debate at my school the other day, and even though my class was (unwillingly) divided by those who are "for" and "against" it, both sides couldn't help but come to the main conclusion: marriage should ONLY be reserved between one man AND one woman.

The only thing I hope will never happen (unless if it already is and I don't know of it) is if gay couples will be allowed to adopt children...

[AntiGuv]

Gay couples are permitted to adopt children in every state except Florida.

[Skylus]

Woa, I did not know that (which goes to prove that I'm clueless about some things)

Honestly, I feel way bad for any child who would have to grow up in a situation such as that! Why on earth would any child want to have that kind of life? (There are probably schools out there for kids with gay parents)

[canuck_conservative]

"Mary Jo Kennedy and Jo-Ann Shain, one of the couples in the case, ..... have been together 23 years and have a 15-year-old daughter."

Can someone explain how that can happen???

(Somebody wasn't being strictly lesbian, obviously!)

[NativeTexun]

Or they could have adopted the child.

[longtermmemmory]

Does NY even allow a homosexual sex partner to adopt the child? Some states do not allow heather to have two momies.

If there is a father at some point along the line, they would have had to terminate his parental rights (and his obligation for child support payments.)

[HostileTerritory]

Remember the Mass. legislator who lost ONLY because she supported homosexual marriage and was against a Mass. referendum on protecting marriage.

I live here and I don't have a clue who you're talking about. Two Democrats lost in their primaries last year because they were against same-sex marriage. They were unpopular for various reasons to begin with but the marriage issue gave their opponents something to rally around. In November, no incumbent lost his seat for supporting or opposing same-sex marriage, and the open seats were filled by people who made the legislature more pro-gay than ever, as AntiGuv said.

You may be thinking about the special election to fill a state senate seat last spring. The seat was vacated by a lesbian Democrat; she was replaced by a conservative (for Massachusetts) Republican. That election turned out not to be a harbinger of anything, because the seat was heavily Republican to begin with, and to my amazement, the new senator almost lost his seat to the sad-sack 'RAT who ran against him in the special election in their November rematch. That really shocked me.

Also, all the seats in Vermont that went Democrat->Republican over the civil unions vote have gone back to the Democrats by now.

I'm afraid that legislators in northern states aren't seeing any blowback over same-sex marriage even though if put to a vote we'd vote it down the same as any other state would.

[HostileTerritory]

I believe we must change the conversation about "Gay Marriage" and "civil rights" to CHILDREN'S NEEDS and society's RESPONSIBILITY to its future generations.

Believe me, the state tried that. Several of the couples who sued for marriage rights had kids they were raising as a family unit.

[longtermmemmory]

The woman lost her seat because she publicly was saying she was going to vote against the DMA amendment. Her opposition said she would vote for the DMA.

It happened just before the vote.

ANY candidate who is nailed down as supporting homosexual marriage has far more risk than someone who is defending marriage.

[longtermmemmory]

Homosexuals (particularly their Homo-advocates) are pushing for homosexual adoptions by their sex partners.

The FL bar recently shot down an effort by their family law division to petition the FL legislature to allow homosexuals to adopt children. FL's homosexual adoption ban was upheld by the federal courts.

The recent Tampa decision upholding the 1996 DOMA was initiated by lesbians who wanted to have a sex partner adoption of children as part of the recognition of homosexual marriage.

Homosexual marriage and access to children are hand in glove for all the homo-advocates.