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The Loss of Freedoms List (Vanity Post)
Cornpone | 25 Jan 2005 | Cornpone

Posted on 01/25/2005 4:37:42 PM PST by Cornpone

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To: mrfixit514
You bunch of whiners need to grow up. WE HAVE MORE FREEDOM THAN ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!

That may be, but we're not making this stuff up. The fact is, we lose more freedom every single year. You should take your head out of the clouds.

81 posted on 01/25/2005 8:55:53 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: secretagent

A few days ago a bunch of Christians protested at a gay rally and they were jailed for no good reason:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42337


82 posted on 01/25/2005 9:00:44 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Junior_G; Cornpone; Lazamataz; rdb3; mhking
"The fact is, we lose more freedom every single year."

In 1910, it was illegal for women to vote.

In 1920, it was illegal for men to buy beer.

In the 1930's, gold was illegal to own ($100 limit).

In the 1940's, our military was racially segregated and the government mandated at gunpoint how many ounces of sugar you could have in your pantry.

In the 1950's, Blacks were being beaten by policemen, hosed by firemen, bitten by sheriffs' dogs, as well as prevented from even *registering* to vote by Jim Crow laws.

In the 1960's, it was *legal* to pay women less than men for the same job.

In the 1970's, it was illegal to drive more than 55 miles per hour.

In the 1980's, it was illegal to use the Internet for profit.

In the 1990's, it was illegal in most states to carry a concealed handgun.

Up until 2004, it was illegal to have a folding stock, flash hider, and 30 round clip in your assault rifle.

Today, none of those restrictions on our freedom apply.

83 posted on 01/25/2005 9:08:58 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: mrfixit514
You bunch of whiners need to grow up. WE HAVE MORE FREEDOM THAN ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!

Listen sonny. After you grow up, own property, own a business and have children you will understand that freedom is more than just the freedom to party. It is more than the freedom to be a deviant and ruin your life. It is more than the freedom to be obnoxious.

One of these days you'll understand.

84 posted on 01/25/2005 9:09:05 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: PhatHead
In theory, at least, the 14th amendment extended the US Constitution's protections, which is why no states have established religions any more...

But didn't they stop establishing state religions well before the 14th? Later.

85 posted on 01/25/2005 9:11:04 PM PST by secretagent
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To: satchmodog9

California has banned silver dragees.Its ridiculous for a state to ban cake decorations. Yet, in California its happened.


86 posted on 01/25/2005 9:11:33 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Cornpone

How about the right to travel without being forced to submit to a search? Strip searches at airports. DWI checkpoints on highways.

Also, at one time we could carry handguns on airlines. Now you can't carry a penknife.


87 posted on 01/25/2005 9:14:18 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: secretagent
Does the first amendment of the federal constitution prohibit cities from requiring permits for rallies?

If the permit process interferes with the right of free assembly, yes.

88 posted on 01/25/2005 9:18:40 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Southack
In the 1990's, it was illegal in most states to carry a concealed handgun.

Up until 2004, it was illegal to have a folding stock, flash hider, and 30 round clip in your assault rifle.

Are you actually trying to imply that we have more gun rights now than before? Prior to 1934, there were no gun control laws whatsoever.

89 posted on 01/25/2005 9:20:34 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: Dan Evans
Thanks for the info. From a link from your link:

The ethnic intimidation charge stems from Pennsylvania's "hate crimes" law – to which the newest "victim" category of "sexual orientation" was recently added. The protesters say a Philadelphia police officer told them that because they were on a public sidewalk they were permitted to move freely through the event. A few minutes later, however, they were arrested and removed.

Sounds unjust to me.

Repeal "hate crimes" legislation and repeal legislation making it a crime to offend someone!

90 posted on 01/25/2005 9:23:32 PM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
As I currently understand, the first amendment only refers to the federal government.

Yes but, as I understand it, when the 14th amendment was passed it turned the Constitution on its head. Prohibitions against the federal government became prohibitions against the states, and even the people.

Reading the 14th amendment, I don't understand the logic. I think you have to be a lawyer.

91 posted on 01/25/2005 9:30:10 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Junior_G; Dan from Michigan
"Are you actually trying to imply that we have more gun rights now than before? Prior to 1934, there were no gun control laws whatsoever."

From 1890 to the 1970's, most states forbade the carrying of concealed weapons.

If you are familiar with the "Shootout at the OK Corral," then you'll remember that the town in question banned all guns; disarming those in violation was what led to that shootout.

Today, 46 states permit the carrying of open or concealed weapons...a far cry from the total bans of the past.

Likewise, prior to 1986, you could be arrested for merely passing through a city or county that forbade guns...even if your own guns were stored in the trunk of your car.

Prior to 2003, commercial airline pilots were completely forbidden from packing heat, too.

All of those firearm restrictions are gone now, as are the old restrictions in the Assault Weapons Ban.

So yes, we are substantially more free today than in 1890, 1934, or even 2002.

92 posted on 01/25/2005 9:34:44 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Dan Evans
As a lawyer, I'll throw in my opinion that the incorporation doctrine is bunk. Raoul Berger's Government BY Judiciary is a wonderfully researched, and far more eloquent, argument than an post tonight.
93 posted on 01/25/2005 9:36:21 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: Dan Evans
" Does the first amendment of the federal constitution prohibit cities from requiring permits for rallies?"

If the permit process interferes with the right of free assembly, yes.

Do you mean the First Amendment amplified by the Fourteenth? The First Amendment, by itself, only restrains the federal government:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

94 posted on 01/25/2005 9:38:21 PM PST by secretagent
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To: Cornpone
Anything that is not explicitly protected by the constitution is at the discretion of the States...or so it was until about 100 years ago. The constitution gives us the right of assembly

Many states have written into their constitutions, a bill of rights that were very similar to the US constitution. This is not redundancy. Originally, most of the items in the US bill of rights only restricted the US Congress. If you read it carefully, you will see that the 2nd amendment gives all of us the right to bear arms. But the first amendment prohibits only Congress, not the states, from abridging religion and free speech.

Supposedly that all changed after the 14th amendment.

95 posted on 01/25/2005 9:43:20 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: secretagent
Do you mean the First Amendment amplified by the Fourteenth?

Yes. But I would rather that the 14th amendment were repealed because it gives way too much power to the federal government. We have state constitutions with their own bill of rights.

96 posted on 01/25/2005 9:47:39 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Cornpone

Zoning Restrictions
Leash laws
Anti-Smoking Laws
Lowered Speed Limits
Building Codes
HIPPA
ADA
Medicare
Lowered Drinking Age
Unions
Leash laws

I promised myself I'd stop at ten.





97 posted on 01/25/2005 9:57:11 PM PST by dervish (on the limb and walking backwards)
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To: Dan Evans; secretagent
Dan,

I am exhausted and I'm going to hit the sack. I just want to thank you and secretagent for carrying this conversation. Contrary to many, I think it is important. Thank you both and everyone else that has joined in.

98 posted on 01/25/2005 9:57:47 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: dervish
Leash laws? You consider leash laws infringement of your freedom?
99 posted on 01/25/2005 9:58:39 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Christine Fraudoire is not my governoire.)
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To: Southack
Prior to 2003, commercial airline pilots were completely forbidden from packing heat, too.

I don't think that's true. Even passengers were allowed to carry:

"...Moreover, in light of the recent terrorist attacks and the ensuing debates over whether pilots should be armed, the 1954 incident illustrates a forgotten time when pilots not only routinely carried pistols, but were required to carry them. On that Tuesday, 47 years ago, Bonnell was carrying his, a small, .380-caliber Colt semiautomatic, holstered in his flight bag. " http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/airlines2.htm

100 posted on 01/25/2005 10:00:18 PM PST by Dan Evans
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