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Ramsey Clark: Why I'm Willing to Defend Hussein (Treason Alert)
Los Angeles Times ^ | January 24, 2005 | Ramsey Clark

Posted on 01/25/2005 2:27:53 AM PST by RWR8189

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To: RWR8189
No great surprise here.
Ramsey Clark has just allowed all to see in open what all the libs in Congress and the country try to keep hid.That being the only evil they see is the United States and its principles.
21 posted on 01/25/2005 4:02:05 AM PST by carlr
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To: An.American.Expatriate

You've got it about right. Many people believe that once you are charged with a crime, you loose all rights. Remember that just over 4 years ago, we had the Clinton Justice Department. Anyone who does not know that bunch would indict someone for political purposes is an absolute moron. Even the Bush Justice Department can be heavy handed in its zeal to mission.

I will stipulate that Ramsey Clarke is first and foremost an ass, but if everybody comes close to doing his job, Saddam will be convicted and executed after having a zealous and competent defense.


22 posted on 01/25/2005 4:03:12 AM PST by Tom D. (Beer is Proof that God Loves Us and Wants Us to be Happy - B. Franklin)
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To: Random Excess

"Saddam does not deserve the due process guaranteed...."

How do you know?

How the rest of the world knows ?

Anyway it is not Saddam who deserves the justice but the Iraqi people.

And justice is can not served by lynch-mob style.
Have to clearly state his crimes, separate from the rumours, and not just give credits to anyone who taking advantages of the situation.
I mean the 'Iraqi exiles' group, who maybe contains some real griveances against Saddam but many of them are criminal who seeking their political agendas by removing Saddam....

I mean... would you buy a second hand car from Allawi or Chalabi ?...

(Allawi hiself admitted of shot tied and blindfolded prisoners in the head, Chalabi is internationaly wanted criminal...)

No.... Saddam need to be tryed and discover his aides, motives, methods and so on...

Then the Iraqis can start on a new page...


23 posted on 01/25/2005 4:28:24 AM PST by bozot
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To: RWR8189

"The war has caused the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis"

Let's not differentiate between the Bathists/terrorists and the civilians.


24 posted on 01/25/2005 4:30:13 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: RWR8189
I'm not even going to read this, but let me guess: Mr. Clark will go on and on about "the system" and how it demands a "rigorous defense" and "due process" for ALL defendants if it's going to work. Then he'll claim that Mr. Hussein's guilt or innocence isn't the issue; it's pursuit of "truth" that's at stake here, our entire system of jurisprudence.

How'd I do?

25 posted on 01/25/2005 4:48:14 AM PST by IronJack
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To: MEG33

I agree with you. LBJ was not like Ramsey Clark, but today's current Democrat Party is just like him, traitors and guilty of treason.


26 posted on 01/25/2005 5:10:53 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: RWR8189

Ramsey Clark says that the US is a war criminal, and Saddam should be exonerated. [Twightlight Zone music begins]


27 posted on 01/25/2005 5:12:06 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: RWR8189

Because you've always been a leftist, anti-American scumbag?


28 posted on 01/25/2005 5:13:08 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: bozot
The defense of such a case is a challenge of great importance to truth, the rule of law and peace. A lawyer qualified for the task and able to undertake it, if chosen, should accept such service as his highest duty.

You applaud this?

And I think that is the purpose a legal system in a free and democratic society...

Huh? He's not in the U.S. but in Iraq where their legal system is trying him. I don't even think he's being tried under international law. Now you think imposing our justice system on the Iraqi people is justified?

29 posted on 01/25/2005 5:32:48 AM PST by raybbr
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"Now you think imposing our justice system on the Iraqi people is justified?"

No.

But there are some minimum standards ti be hold when you want to build a democratic society.

Otherwise you give a lifetime munition to the enemies of freedom and the US.

Of course I do detect some problem here...

Do not make it look like there IS a reason not to be held a just, fair and transparent trial !!!!



30 posted on 01/25/2005 5:54:10 AM PST by bozot
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To: RWR8189

Hey, guys. A little off topic. Just read on Fox about the starting multi-million suit hearings on the Elian Gonsalez raid. Can anyone comment or open a new thread? Kind of encouraging, ha?


31 posted on 01/25/2005 6:08:13 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: RWR8189

Perhaps the laws in Iraq will allow for the Death penalty of Hussein and also for the execution of his attorneys.

A fitting end for Ramsey Clark.


32 posted on 01/25/2005 6:10:24 AM PST by chatham
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To: RWR8189

John Adams, in his old age, called his defense of British soldiers in 1770 (The Boston Massacre British) "one of the most gallant, generous, manly, and disinterested actions of my whole life, and one of the best pieces of service I ever rendered my country."

Commits treason, your words, goes on to become President. Go Figure.


33 posted on 01/25/2005 7:44:16 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: RWR8189
The United States, and the Bush administration in particular, engineered the demonization of Hussein,

Uh, no. Hussein did that all by himself as the photographs of the gassed Kurds (including women and children) have proven.

34 posted on 01/25/2005 7:48:35 AM PST by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
"If I were a lawyer, I would be willing to defend anyone - even someone I knew was guilty."

This is exactly the reason I decided not to go to law school, even though I had taken the boards and been accepted at UT. After working in the military legal field for three years (to that point), I determined that I could not, in good conscience, defend a person who had either told me that he was guilty or that I could, in my own mind, "find beyond a reasonable doubt" was guilty; nor, could I, in good conscience, prosecute someone whom I could make the same determination was not guilty.

Personally, I have always felt that those who could cared less about "justice" than the monetary or other rewards of doing so. In my eyes, lawyers of this type fit into the hired gunslinger category, willing to work for anyone who paid them to do whatever they were hired for.

35 posted on 01/25/2005 7:51:14 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: RWR8189

The lowest of the low - Clark, former AG now AC - Ambulance Chaser for anti-America thugs!


36 posted on 01/25/2005 7:57:35 AM PST by Paperdoll (GO ROSSI!!!!!)
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To: BlueLancer

I guess you forgot to read the rest of the post.

IIRC, I clearly stated that the ONLY reason I would have for defending someone I knew to be guilty would be to ensure a fair trail were held. That does NOT mean I would fight to have the suspect exonerated - especially by using nefarious means!


37 posted on 01/25/2005 8:00:50 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate ((This space for let))
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To: An.American.Expatriate
"That does NOT mean I would fight to have the suspect exonerated - especially by using nefarious means!"

Nope ... I understood you to mean that. I didn't mean to infer that you would do anything "nefarious". One of the instructions given in military courts is that the accused has a "legal and moral right to plead not guilty," even if the accused believes that he is guilty. Judges, counsel, and I have gotten into some pretty heated discussions about the word "moral". I understand that the accused has a LEGAL right to plead not guilty, even if he is guilty. However, I do not believe that an accused has a moral right to lie to the court .. and that is what I believe him to be doing if he pleads not guilty while knowing or believing that he is guilty.

Plus, if you're going to defend an accused that you believe is guilty to ensure a "fair" trial, but you are not going to fight with all means at your disposal, how "fair" is that? Basically, aren't you simply pretending to defend your client ... running with the fox while hunting with the hounds?

38 posted on 01/25/2005 8:11:27 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: West Coast Conservative

The reason he is willing to defend Sadam Hussein is simple.... it's because....Clark is a self serving a hole..and that is what they do...

Like lemmings to economy class hang gliding


39 posted on 01/25/2005 8:16:50 AM PST by joesnuffy (If America isn't a Christian nation from whom do we derive our God given rights?)
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