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Study blasts colorectal screening test
MSNBC ^ | 01/18/05 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/18/2005 7:33:03 AM PST by JusticeTalion

Potentially cancerous growths missed 95 percent of the time

PHILADELPHIA - A common screening test failed to detect potentially cancerous colon growths 95 percent of the time, falsely reassuring patients and doctors, according to a new study.

Researchers found that the digital, in-office test on stool samples was not as reliable as a six-sample test given to patients to do on their own at home — although even that test detected potentially cancerous growths less than 24 percent of the time.

"What we found is that it was pretty worthless," Dr. David Lieberman, one of the study's authors, said of the in-office test. "It's a wake-up call that we shouldn't be relying on this test."

God bless our troops wherever they may be.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: coloncancer; colorectal; health; healthcare; screening; test
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This disease killed my Uncle back in 1986. Time we find some way of detecting this killer. 24% is abysmal odds when it comes to betting your life. Hell, Vegas wouldn't even cover a bet like that.
1 posted on 01/18/2005 7:33:11 AM PST by JusticeTalion
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To: JusticeTalion

COLONOSCOPY - the full bus trip to the end of the colon is probably the ONLY way to detect problems accurately!


2 posted on 01/18/2005 7:34:41 AM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: goodnesswins
>COLONOSCOPY - the full bus trip to the end of the colon is probably the ONLY way to detect problems accurately!

It's like manned space shots
versus robot probes -- Nothing
beats experts on-site!

3 posted on 01/18/2005 7:39:51 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: goodnesswins

"COLONOSCOPY - the full bus trip to the end of the colon is probably the ONLY way to detect problems accurately!"

I agree. I just had this procedure a week ago. The worst part is the period leading up to the procedure.


4 posted on 01/18/2005 7:40:34 AM PST by RichardW
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To: JusticeTalion
This disease killed my Uncle back in 1986. Time we find some way of detecting this killer.

"Some way"?

There is already a fantastic way to detect colon cancer: Colonoscopy.

Colonoscopy can detect pre-cancerous polyps and remove them years before they ever turn into cancer.

So, get your butt (pun intended) over to your surgeon's office and make an appointment for one.

5 posted on 01/18/2005 7:41:33 AM PST by Polybius
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To: JusticeTalion

This disease just killed the CEO of McDonald's and he was only 44 years old.


6 posted on 01/18/2005 7:41:47 AM PST by RichardW
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To: RichardW

Ditto on the prep thing. Those drugs they give you during the procedure are sweet. Too bad you have to have THAT done to get them;)


7 posted on 01/18/2005 7:44:17 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Their candidate uses rock stars to attract crowds. Ours IS a rock star!)
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To: Polybius

My grandmother suffered for decades with hemmroids. Would not go to the doctor. She was an RN. Treated herself weekly with colonics.

She died of colon cancer in 1980. 74 years old. She should have known better. We all need more fiber in our diets, fresh fruits and vegetables.

Eat a balanced diet, limiting too much red meat. Eat yogurt with the natural cultures in it, and go in for that test if you have a family history earlier than 50.


8 posted on 01/18/2005 7:45:46 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens)
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To: RichardW

My father died in 1994 at the age of 67 of colorectal cancer. He would have survived if he had taken the warning signs seriously and seen a doctor long before he finally did. Colon cancer takes a very long time to evolve. Many years in some cases.


9 posted on 01/18/2005 7:46:04 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Their candidate uses rock stars to attract crowds. Ours IS a rock star!)
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To: RichardW

YES, the pre-op IS the worst....I'm usually calling someone at 4am to tell them I can't drink ALL THAT STUFF!!!


10 posted on 01/18/2005 7:46:21 AM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: television is just wrong

"Eat a balanced diet"

A daily portion of food from the cabbage family is important as well. Eat your broccoli.


11 posted on 01/18/2005 7:51:03 AM PST by OK
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To: goodnesswins
I can't drink ALL THAT STUFF!!!

Uugh! Please don't remind me..........

I also had difficulties getting my blood pressure and heart rate under control prior to the procedure.

They finally had to knock me out with a bit of goofy juice.They said that many men had the same reaction to having a camera stuffed up the particular orifice in question.

12 posted on 01/18/2005 7:54:59 AM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Cold Heat

I've had two....and never stayed awake for either of them....I don't think it's a "man" thing.....


13 posted on 01/18/2005 8:00:22 AM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: Polybius

Hubble telescope up the bum.....sounds pretty advanced. Where are the diagnostic beds, scans that detect EVERYTHING, right down to blood gas and toxicology? Seems to me that MRI has advanced pretty far, why not, with the computing and sensor advances made in the last 20 years, have a device that CAN detect everything.

< tinfoil beanie> It almost seems that the medical machine is more interested in treatment than in cure < /tinfiol beanie off>

Top sends


14 posted on 01/18/2005 8:02:17 AM PST by petro45acp (Democrat = socialist. Say it loud, say it often, and VOTE!!)
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To: JusticeTalion
Had a colonoscopy a month ago.

The Gastroenterologist removed 5 relatively small polyps, nascent colon cancers.

This is what they're talking about trying to pick up. Unless the polyps are bleeding, the office test is no help.

I've had 'em before, and know I need the full bore (!) test about every three to five years.

15 posted on 01/18/2005 8:02:37 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: goodnesswins
....I don't think it's a "man" thing.....

I suspect you are correct.:-)

16 posted on 01/18/2005 8:13:18 AM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: goodnesswins

YES, the pre-op IS the worst....I'm usually calling someone at 4am to tell them I can't drink ALL THAT STUFF!!!

I got it down with Diet 7-up; eight ounces then the stuff and swish it up real good. Not too bad. You do this six times altogether. Then the fun begins.

The procedure itself was totally painless. I'm wheeled into the operating room and am talking to the nurse and then the lights go out. The next thing I am in recovery. There is no pain nor any sense of time at all. Then I'm back home shortly thereafter. They did find a polyp but don't think it is serious. My follow-up is tomorrow. I'm 61 and this was my first one; long overdue.


17 posted on 01/18/2005 8:23:40 AM PST by RichardW
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To: OK

I personally have to stay away from that after having my gall bladder out. The doc told me no broccolli, cauliflower or brussel sprouts.

I still have some, but I eat small portions.


18 posted on 01/18/2005 8:24:46 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens)
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To: petro45acp
Hubble telescope up the bum.....sounds pretty advanced. Where are the diagnostic beds, scans that detect EVERYTHING, right down to blood gas and toxicology? Seems to me that MRI has advanced pretty far, why not, with the computing and sensor advances made in the last 20 years, have a device that CAN detect everything.

Well, once such perfection is achieved, the inventor will be richer than Bill Gates. :-)

Radiology is experimenting with "virtual colonoscopy" but it has a long way to go before it can compete with a fiber optic, color colonoscopy unit that makes the "hairs" of the terry cloth towel on the prep table look like giant cloth worms on the TV monitor.

< tinfoil beanie> It almost seems that the medical machine is more interested in treatment than in cure < /tinfiol beanie off>

Some diseases, like some infectious diseases, you can pre=emptively "cure" by vaccination, driving the pathogen to extinction, etc. For other things such as cancer, science is not there yet. Inside all of us, there is a genetic code that almost guarantees we will be dead by 100 years just like dogs are almost guaranteed to be dead by age 20.

Something's going to get you.

Colonoscopy, however, is a cure. My colonoscopy found a single benign polyp that could have developed into the colon cancer I was going to have in the year 2014.

19 posted on 01/18/2005 8:30:32 AM PST by Polybius
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To: JusticeTalion
As one recuperating from cancer, I take all types of cancer seriously...

...but my days of feeling like Kermit the Frog are over. The next soul who comes near me wearing a rubber glove saying the words "bend over" gets both their arms broken!

21 posted on 01/18/2005 8:37:48 AM PST by Prime Choice (I have to keep my expectations low. I can't fake looking impressed.)
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To: RichardW

I had it done about a month ago. I agree about the day leading up to it is worse than the procedure itself!


23 posted on 01/18/2005 8:41:42 AM PST by Hildy ( To work is to dance, to live is to worship, to breathe is to love.)
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To: JusticeTalion

It's my opinion that "colorectal" and "blasts" should never be used in the same sentence.


24 posted on 01/18/2005 8:44:14 AM PST by sbelew
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To: RichardW
This disease just killed the CEO of McDonald's and he was only 44 years old.


25 posted on 01/18/2005 8:44:18 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: JusticeTalion; Grampa Dave; Dog Gone; snopercod; Southack; Ernest_at_the_Beach; tubebender
"God bless our troops wherever they may be."

While I share this heartfelt sentiment... What in the name of phony Chiropractic Colonics has this got to do with the danged story???

26 posted on 01/18/2005 9:23:52 AM PST by SierraWasp (Moderates, are just too chicken to commit to any ideal!!! They prefer sophisticated sophistry...)
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To: Polybius
I meant "some way" other than the invasive colonoscopy (It takes 1 to 2 hours, requires sedatives, pain medication and, in rare cases, can cause bleeding and tearing of the intestines). Doesn't make me want to run right out for one. Not to mention they are only recommended every 10 years. "Some way" less intense, more often and more accurate than current techniques.
27 posted on 01/18/2005 9:42:46 AM PST by JusticeTalion (Vulcan's never bluff.)
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To: Motherbear
Ask for the pills. I refuse to drink that nasty stuff.

Pills?! They've got pills now?! Aaaaaargh.....

28 posted on 01/18/2005 9:45:39 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: JusticeTalion

I do a bit of colorectal blasting myself.....


29 posted on 01/18/2005 9:47:39 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Motherbear

Whoa, that's a lot better than drinking mass quantities of that stuff that tasted like road salt. Heck, to my mind the colon prep was the worst part of the procedure. The pills sound much, much better.


31 posted on 01/18/2005 9:55:03 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: JusticeTalion; SierraWasp
Colonoscope: Noun. A device used for looking up old friends. Coloq: "The Silver Stallion".

Another recent thread: Former McDonald's head Bell dies

33 posted on 01/18/2005 10:14:50 AM PST by snopercod (Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace. - Amelia Earhart)
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To: Polybius
There is already a fantastic way to detect colon cancer: Colonoscopy.

My insurance won't pay the $3,000 cost of a screening colonosopy unless I have a positive Hemoccult test...by which time I would be already dead.

34 posted on 01/18/2005 10:17:44 AM PST by snopercod (Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace. - Amelia Earhart)
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To: SierraWasp

It's the AP school of Journalism.....lumps things together because....well,just because.....


35 posted on 01/18/2005 10:56:18 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: SierraWasp

Why are you on this thread anyway, ?

Cause of that article I posted on Dark Fiber?


36 posted on 01/18/2005 10:59:36 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; snopercod
"Dark Fiber?"

Ernesto! You have simply GOT TO stop cracking me up like dis!!! I dunno what drew me to this thread and it's crappy topic, except that I think it was Mr. snopercod that done did it!!!

Him and his $3,K MRI and his lame inshurunce cumpany. Heck, snoper... I got me wunna them there Sigmoidoscopies when I was around yur age and my inshurunce cumpuny that I wuzza movin to, wanted ta know why a guy at my age wuzza doin sucha thang!!!

So I tole 'em that I wuzza big phan uv Ronaldus Maganus whose magnificent colon had been scrutinized by every member of the medja to the n'th degree all ovur TeeVee, and since I'd just gotten outta politicks, I figured that it wuzza wize thang ta git done at that there time in my life if'n I din't wanna leave a widowed wife, right?

I mean I wrote 'em a bigassed ol explanation like dat an dey bought it hook, line and stinker!!! Ha Ha Ha!!!

37 posted on 01/18/2005 11:18:01 AM PST by SierraWasp (Moderates, are just too chicken to commit to any ideal!!! They prefer sophisticated sophistry...)
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To: SierraWasp; snopercod

I haven't had this experience as of yet.

But at my advanced age I suppose I should think about it.

But then I eat a lot of apples....


38 posted on 01/18/2005 11:36:12 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Floyd R Turbo

I feel it is important to eat, so I have some just have to be careful. Apparently he felt I needed to know that.


39 posted on 01/18/2005 11:36:52 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens)
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To: television is just wrong

colon cancer is one of the most preventable killers. some cancers srpead to quickly for adequate screening i.e. ovarian and small cell lung ca. mammography is a good but not perfect screen for breast ca, pap smears are the most effective screen( cervical cancer) .
problem with colon screening is that many people will not get colonoscopy- it is not pleasant, but there is a new screen -ct colonography that is much more palatable.


40 posted on 01/18/2005 11:55:30 AM PST by avitot
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SierraWasp
Beer has lots of fiber in it, right? Dark Beer=Dark Fiber. I get it!

Here's to Reagan's colon!

41 posted on 01/18/2005 12:12:01 PM PST by snopercod (Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace. - Amelia Earhart)
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To: SierraWasp; Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is only for old people. What are we doing here? And what is this Dark Fiber Ernest is talking about...


42 posted on 01/18/2005 4:26:53 PM PST by tubebender (If I had know I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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To: tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach; snopercod
Heck I ain't old, or so I've been told, by someone who's bold, and din't wanna be left in the cold, or left outta the fold... so to speak!

Apples?!? I don't got to show you no steenkin APPLES!!!

An apple a day... keeps the Doctor away, right Ernest???

Dark fibre... Isn't that what hits the proverbial fan and coats the light bulbs till everything goes dark??? (or is that "Dark Matter?")

He snopercod and tubebender! Have either of you guys ever seen an arobic digester??? (you know... like down at the water treatment plant?)

43 posted on 01/18/2005 4:51:40 PM PST by SierraWasp (Moderates, are just too chicken to commit to any ideal!!! They prefer sophisticated sophistry...)
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To: SierraWasp
arobic digester

Sure. That's where the fecal debris hits the fan.

44 posted on 01/18/2005 5:06:40 PM PST by snopercod (Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace. - Amelia Earhart)
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To: tubebender
This is only for old people.

Exactly what I said about my recent 40th high school reunion.

45 posted on 01/18/2005 5:07:46 PM PST by snopercod (Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace. - Amelia Earhart)
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To: snopercod
"debris"

What's with the french fried lingo, there, young man??? Sounds like a Kerry matter to me!!!

46 posted on 01/18/2005 5:14:02 PM PST by SierraWasp (Moderates, are just too chicken to commit to any ideal!!! They prefer sophisticated sophistry...)
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To: SierraWasp
Bite your tongue young man!

My wife is a medical transcriptionist, so we talk about "fecal debris" and stuff like that over supper.

47 posted on 01/18/2005 5:18:10 PM PST by snopercod (Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace. - Amelia Earhart)
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To: tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach
"And what is this Dark Fiber Ernest is talking about..."

I'm not sure whether this is found on his beachfront, or if he's afraid of being left in the dark about it, or what!!!

Maybe he's recalling Dandy Don Merideth singin "Turn Out The Lights, The Party's Over!" But then that would have been "Dark Matter" and that's a truly universal subject, come to think of it...

48 posted on 01/18/2005 5:19:26 PM PST by SierraWasp (Moderates, are just too chicken to commit to any ideal!!! They prefer sophisticated sophistry...)
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To: SierraWasp

So what do you think of the rectum as a whole?


49 posted on 01/18/2005 5:23:31 PM PST by snopercod (Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace. - Amelia Earhart)
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To: goodnesswins

The tastless pills that take the place of the liquid are called visicol. Ask for them next time.


50 posted on 01/18/2005 5:23:54 PM PST by monkey
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