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`Jobs that Americans won't do' filled by desperate migrants
Yahoo! News ^ | Stephen Franklin

Posted on 01/18/2005 7:06:31 AM PST by ClintonBeGone

Edited on 01/18/2005 3:40:29 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: ClintonBeGone
"Why not let the free market determine what wages ought to be instead of flooding the market with low-wage, foreign labor?" he asks.

Because that wouldn't work. You make it free market and ONLY low-wage, foreighn labor will have any kind of job.

61 posted on 01/18/2005 7:54:53 AM PST by Pelayo
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To: ClintonBeGone

I posted to a similar thread yesterday but the thread was pulled for some reason.

My comment was this.

Some estimates have the illegal population at 20 million now.
This number is far in excess of most state's populations save two.

If we did not have the current illegal problem and tomorrow morning you turned on Fox news and saw a report that 20 million illegal foreign nationals entered the country overnight you can be damn sure the majority of Americans would be screaming for something to be done.

Why is it any different only because this invasion happened over a period of time and not all at once?


62 posted on 01/18/2005 7:55:05 AM PST by Dad2Angels
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To: presidio9; ClintonBeGone

Spare us the bogus "multiculturalism".


63 posted on 01/18/2005 7:56:03 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: TXBSAFH
Now in 2005, 23 years later with the influx of illegals in the construction trades the wage is $12 to $15 an hour.

And you live your life based on what the government calls the 'prevailing wage'? PW is a completely socialistic creation. Have you considered other causes of wage stagation for such a wage? Modular homes? SIPs? Concrete homes? Package homes from the lumber yard? Owner/Builders? Framers and carpenters are becoming exstinct, and its not because of Pedro from Mexico.

64 posted on 01/18/2005 7:56:03 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Bikers4Bush

The fact remains: End welfare and there will BE no jobs for these people to come looking for.


65 posted on 01/18/2005 7:56:54 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

If it's allright for CBG to post an article like this and claim it's the true face of ILLEGAL immigration then I should be able to post an article detailing the criminal exploits of illegals and make the same claim. That it is the true face of illegal immigration.

And even you cannot deny that they are criminals if they are here illegally.


66 posted on 01/18/2005 7:57:42 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Publius Valerius

Look up the word ILLEGAL. Employers hiring illegals are CRIMINALS. You aren't talking about free markets, you are talking about BLACK MARKETS.


67 posted on 01/18/2005 7:57:48 AM PST by DManA
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To: presidio9
The problem is a welfare system that encourages lazy Americans not to work.

We'll, there's so much more to this great country that makes it attractive than it's welfare system. It's still the land of opportunity, despite those that want to slam it's doors closed. However, it would be interesting to do away with welfare for ALL and watch the hate filled anti-immigrants have to find a new straw man to beat.

68 posted on 01/18/2005 7:57:54 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

I guaranty you if they paid $15 an hour Us citizens would be lined up around the corner to get those jobs. But for $7 or $8 they say no. Illegals are suppressing wages, that is why they are let in.


69 posted on 01/18/2005 7:58:31 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: presidio9
The fact remains: End welfare and there will BE no jobs for these people to come looking for.

Sure, just equalize the Mexican and American standards of living. Just reduce America to Third World level. Great solution. Why don't you run for president on it ?

70 posted on 01/18/2005 7:59:29 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: ClintonBeGone
She is dizzy, almost wobbly. Her head aches, her coughing won't stop, and because she doesn't have enough money she has not filled her four prescriptions nor seen a doctor recently.

I stopped reading this article after the above first line.

Please...

Propaganda pure and simple.

71 posted on 01/18/2005 7:59:41 AM PST by Jimmyclyde (Dying ain't much of a living boy...)
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To: presidio9

End welfare and other benefits that they take advantage of and take away any ability for them to get work and they won't come here.

If you allow any of the three to continue to exist they will still come.


72 posted on 01/18/2005 8:00:37 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: presidio9
Yes indeed. ALL illegal immigrants are gang rapists. Why do you think they come to this country in the first place? It's for the white women.

I'm not old enough to remember Jim Crow and segration, but I suspect if you dust off their playbook, you'll find the same agenda, right down to the 'if we let them drink from our fountains, next thing you know they'll be gang raping our daughters'. blah blah blah.

73 posted on 01/18/2005 8:00:44 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: TXBSAFH

Right. Who wants to WORK for $8 an hour when welfare will pay them that to do nothing?


74 posted on 01/18/2005 8:00:49 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Jimmyclyde

Why do you say that ?


75 posted on 01/18/2005 8:01:00 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Publius Valerius

Quote: That's right because the illegals have driven down the wages. Construction jobs in my area used to pay $12-15 hour. Now they pay 8-9.00 because the hispanics have come in an worked for peanuts.

Publius Valerius response:

But that's how the market works

My response:
Boy what did we ever do in the 50's, 60'sand 70's?? Guess your job is not one under threat....for now.


76 posted on 01/18/2005 8:01:23 AM PST by superiorslots
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To: valkyrieanne
Do you want your children working in such unsafe conditions for such little money? I sure don't.

I'll leave that choice up to my son and daughter. It's not something I'm going to run to you, to government or this message board to decide. It's up to them.

77 posted on 01/18/2005 8:01:56 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Denver Ditdat

America is a compassionate country and yes there are those who will use this soft spot to destroy us, and they are really presistent


78 posted on 01/18/2005 8:02:10 AM PST by Ibredd
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To: ClintonBeGone

The house that are being built in my town are not prebuild anything. They are 2000+ square foot custom homes. I pass by the subdivisions every day. And I have seen the wages lowered by illegals, that is why they are let in.


79 posted on 01/18/2005 8:02:55 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Bikers4Bush
If it's allright for CBG to post an article like this and claim it's the true face of ILLEGAL immigration then I should be able to post an article detailing the criminal exploits of illegals and make the same claim. That it is the true face of illegal immigration.

Which is the more common face of immigration: The gang rapist, or the women mopping brains up off the floor?

80 posted on 01/18/2005 8:03:07 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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