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Fair Tax To Be Discussed
Fair Tax Grassroots Team

Posted on 01/13/2005 7:35:00 AM PST by Jay777

I recieved this email. I won't be able to attend, but thought I'd let it be known to others interested.

Please attend and support the FairTax!! If you will be able to make this event - you need to RSVP to the person at Heritage below. In addition, we would like to know you will be attending. Please email us at info@fairtax.org and put in the subject line - HERITAGE EVENT.

Thank you! FairTax Grassroots Team 1-800-FAIRTAX

The Heritage Foundation Cordially Invites You To a Luncheon Seminar

*** 2360 Rayburn House Office Building***

Reforming the Tax Code: Flat Tax vs. Sales Tax

Featuring

For the Sales Tax: David Burton President, The Argus Group

For the Flat Tax: Daniel J. Mitchell McKenna Senior Fellow in Political Economy, The Heritage Foundation

Moderated by John Berthoud President, National Taxpayers Union

President Bush is appointing a Tax Reform Advisory Panel to help the Treasury Department develop options for fundamental tax reform. This has re-ignited the debate over how best to reform the current tax system. The two most prominent options are both the flat tax and a national sales tax that eliminate loopholes and tax economic activity only one time. While the flat tax and sales tax share basic characteristics, they rely on different collection mechanisms. The flat tax is imposed as income is earned and the sales tax is imposed as income is spent.

So which system is better? Please join us as David Burton of The Argus Group and Dan Mitchell of The Heritage Foundation discuss the advantages of both the flat tax and a national sales tax. This second seminar is part of an ongoing series of events designed to promote tax reform and provide some common- sense guidance as policymakers begin to explore how to create a better tax code.

Friday, January 14, 2005 12:00 noon-1:45 p.m. Lunch will be provided

RSVP to Mimi Kelley at (202) 608-6067 Or, email: mimi.kelley@heritage.org

Room 2360, Rayburn House Office Building The Rayburn House Office Building is located at: Independence Ave. & S. Capitol Street, S.W. | Washington, DC 20515 | 202-608-6067

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1 posted on 01/13/2005 7:35:00 AM PST by Jay777
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To: Jay777

A flat tax on all income is the most fair. A large national sales tax (value-added as some refer to it) is unfair to many groups for whom it would represent MORE DOUBLE TAXATION -- as we are being screwed on SS payments now.

Take retired seniors, who have no job income, per se. They would continue to have to pay taxes, even without income. Given these people have paid into SS all their working lives, they should be free of a tax burden EXCEPT for a flat tax ON ADDED INCOME. They should not be double-taxed just to live on their own funds on which they have already been taxed.

My solution: A Flat Tax on Earned Income and NO TAX ON SS DOLLARS since they have already been taxed.


2 posted on 01/13/2005 7:44:21 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

The fair tax is an interesting concept, but I too have my doubts with it. Double taxing, and what about charity contributions? The question comes to benefits vs. flaws. One benefit is that it would tax the black market.


3 posted on 01/13/2005 7:48:42 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: Jay777

I have the same concerns. For many, the only thing that keeps them supporting charities that do so much good in our society is to get a tax break. If the flat tax were to exclude charitable donations, the charity system as we know it would collapse.


4 posted on 01/13/2005 7:55:11 AM PST by Tigerjam
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To: Tigerjam

Same concern with the fair tax.


5 posted on 01/13/2005 7:59:26 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: Jay777

The way I understand the flat tax is there will be no deductions for it either. I prefer to do away with the income tax altogether for various reasons. It would reduce the cost of government for one thing by eleminating a large part of our IRS structure. It would eleminate the hold the IRS has on the average american now, no more tax audits if some Dem thinks you are trying to undermine their agenda, which has happened all too often. These are just some of the reasons I oppose an income tax. The chief one is that it was illegal and still is actually even with the amendment that was passed so the gov could stick it to us.


6 posted on 01/13/2005 8:09:29 AM PST by calex59
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To: Tigerjam
"have the same concerns. For many, the only thing that keeps them supporting charities that do so much good in our society is to get a tax break. If the flat tax were to exclude charitable donations, the charity system as we know it would collapse."

Nonsense!I don't give to charities just so I can get a tax cut. Thats DUMB!!,And I doubt 99% of everyone else does either.

7 posted on 01/13/2005 8:14:33 AM PST by painter
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To: painter
Most people I know give to charities for tax reasons. Should they be giving to charities for this reason? No, in my opinion. However, this is the case for alot of people. I congratulate you on giving based on the goodness of your heart. However, to think that "99%" of other give based solely out of goodness of their heart, you are wrong.
8 posted on 01/13/2005 8:31:44 AM PST by Tigerjam
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To: All
Go read the plan before you all start spouting off about double taxation, value added assumptions and deductions and such. Revenue neutrality is one of the main tenets of the plan. Once you understand that, you will understand the plan. It's very simple: You are taxed ONLY on NEW consumer goods. Nothing else. The tax is voluntary and everyone receives a prebate up to the poverty level. There are no deductions. No one knows how much money you earn or don't earn. Business does not pay taxes. Retailers will do the collecting just like theyu already do for the states except that they will be compensated with 1/2 of a percent that they collect. FAIR TAX
9 posted on 01/13/2005 9:28:26 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Jay777; Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; rwrcpa1; phil_will1; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; Bigun; ...
A Taxreform bump for you all.

If you would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

John Linder in the House & Saxby Chambliss Senate, offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a retail sales tax:

H.R.25, S.1493
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer for additional information:


10 posted on 01/13/2005 10:38:45 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: EagleUSA

You are obviously very confused/ignorant of the provisions and the effects of the FairTax.


11 posted on 01/13/2005 10:57:51 AM PST by EternalVigilance (If the President's so dumb, and he keeps outwittin' y'all, what does that say about y'all?)
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To: Jay777

The FairTax ends double and triple and quadruple taxation, which is what we have under the current system.

You are grossly mistaken.


12 posted on 01/13/2005 10:58:52 AM PST by EternalVigilance (If the President's so dumb, and he keeps outwittin' y'all, what does that say about y'all?)
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To: Tigerjam

The FairTax gets government totally out of the business of regulating/tracking/taxing nonprofit organizations, including our churches.

You have alot to learn about fundamental tax reform, and I would recommend you do some serious studying before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have.


13 posted on 01/13/2005 11:01:26 AM PST by EternalVigilance (If the President's so dumb, and he keeps outwittin' y'all, what does that say about y'all?)
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To: Jay777

There is no 'double taxation' under the FairTax.

Exactly the opposite is true. The FairTax ends double taxation.

The flat income tax solves almost NONE of the fundamental problems with the current system.

All it does is flatten the rate.

Which of course is the reason it is completely politically untenable.

Fundamental tax reformers oppose it on principle, and because of its nature, the Left will oppose it with all their might; armed with all of their carefully calibrated class warfare rhetoric.

The Flat Income Tax is deader than a doornail.

There are two choices left: the FairTax, or continued tinkering with the current income tax.

That is a fact.


14 posted on 01/13/2005 11:06:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance (If the President's so dumb, and he keeps outwittin' y'all, what does that say about y'all?)
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To: EagleUSA
A flat tax on all income is the most fair

I'll parrot what Neal Boortz said: We already have a flat tax. Problem is, it has been tinkered with, socialized, politicized and made into an abomination. Why would we start all over with a new flat tax which could easily come to the same fate? The only reform that is fair to everyone and prevents such devilment is the NRST. I see this thread is already talking about retaining charitable deductions under a flat tax. See? Already tinkering.

15 posted on 01/13/2005 11:07:45 AM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: ancient_geezer

It is amusing to watch the new signups who oppose the FairTax.

Who do they think they're fooling?


16 posted on 01/13/2005 11:08:10 AM PST by EternalVigilance (If the President's so dumb, and he keeps outwittin' y'all, what does that say about y'all?)
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To: EternalVigilance

O.K. My concern is money in a savings account. I've already been taxed on it. Will I not be taxed again if I spend it after this fair tax comes about?

Also..What happens to deductions for charity giving?


17 posted on 01/13/2005 11:08:38 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: Jay777; Tigerjam
go to: http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq.html

it is a "frequently asked question" page regarding the fair tax bill

with question number 22 charitable giving is addressed
18 posted on 01/13/2005 11:08:40 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: socialismisinsidious

Why don't you post it, that page is blocked here on my government computer. Lucky freerepublic isn't.


19 posted on 01/13/2005 11:10:13 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: Jay777

Deductions for charity become a complete nonsequiter.

The government is removed from where it should have never been allowed to go in the first place: Into the realm of regulating our religious/charitable institutions and giving.

As to your first question? The savings rate is so low now as to be a joke.

The untaxed funds that people have set aside under the various congressional schemes will be unaffected. It wasn't taxed in the first place, and won't be taxed unless and until you spend it on taxable goods or services.

Under the FairTax, savings and investments are removed from the burden of compliance and taxation permanently.

I say, "Hallelujah"!!


20 posted on 01/13/2005 11:13:34 AM PST by EternalVigilance (If the President's so dumb, and he keeps outwittin' y'all, what does that say about y'all?)
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