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FDA to review "missing" drug company documents (Prozac + AK-47 + workplace, guess what?)
The British Medical Journal ^ | 1 January 2005 | Jeanne Lenzer

Posted on 12/30/2004 10:16:24 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 12/30/2004 10:16:25 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
an AK-47

Obviously this the problem. Never mind the drugs, never mind the individual, it was the gun. Ban guns. Never mind that if he didn't have an AK type rifle, he'd have used a shotgun. If he didn't have a shotgun, he might just have blown the whole place to Kingdom Come, using a propane gas cylinder and a match.

2 posted on 12/30/2004 10:30:11 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; ..

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.


3 posted on 12/30/2004 10:30:47 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: El Gato

What are you, telepathic? Happy New Year!


4 posted on 12/30/2004 10:33:01 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Years ago my doctor tried to put me on Prozac. I lost 3 pounds in three days, had a resting HR of 140, RR 40 and slept three hours a night. He halved the dose and my HR went down to 110, RR 24. Paxil was a different type of hell.

The stuff is poison. I went the alternative medicine route.


5 posted on 12/30/2004 11:11:28 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I went the alternative medicine route.

Which was what, if I may ask, St. John's wort?

6 posted on 12/30/2004 11:43:22 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

At first I tried homeopathy. I found a MD is San Francisco who utilized it in his practice. It didn't solve my particular problem, but I have used an OTC product for something else which was quite effective. I do know others who had great success using homeopathy.

Ayurveda worked well for me. The Hindu system treats the body as a whole system, using certain foods, herbs, body work and prayer practice. Plus it is thousands of years old and the best organized system of natural medicine I've found. There wasn't one herb per se that helped me because programs are tailored to the individual and my situation was complicated. One person might take one herb which might be totally wrong for another person with the same problem. My practitioner didn't target a disease but focused on putting my entire body back in balance. Over the years I have become more sensitive to conventional drugs so this system is preferable to me whenever possible.


7 posted on 12/31/2004 1:23:07 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: neverdem

"as it is similar to cocaine in its effects on serotonin."

Wrong.

Cocaine causes the release of large amounts of dopamine, another neurotransmitter.

Some people DO have adverse reactions to these drugs, but I am certain they have saved far more lives than they have taken.


8 posted on 12/31/2004 7:09:28 AM PST by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: Nightshift

poing


9 posted on 12/31/2004 7:13:04 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Violations of Florida Statutes ongoing!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

There is a small percentage of the population that cannot metabolize a byproduct of the earlier SSRIs. It sounds like you are one of them.


10 posted on 12/31/2004 7:15:47 AM PST by Petronski (Thank God I'm only watching the game....controlling it....)
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To: EEDUDE
"as it is similar to cocaine in its effects on serotonin."

Wrong.

Cocaine causes the release of large amounts of dopamine, another neurotransmitter.

I have read that virtually all addictive substances to include nicotine, alcohol, marijuana, cocaine and heroin involves the neuortransmitter dopamine.

Reward deficiency syndrome: a biogenetic model for the diagnosis and treatment of impulsive, addictive, and compulsive behaviors.

Many antidepressants can be considered stimulants and have the same adverse effects as the amphetamines. Enter antidepressants AND stimulants into the previous link. You'll find 771 citations.

11 posted on 12/31/2004 8:16:14 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
"Since the 1991 FDA hearings Dr Peter Breggin, who served as the medical expert in the Wesbecker case..."

Neverdem, as much as I respect BMJ as a legitimate medical journal, when they quote anything by Dr. Peter Breggin, Scientologist, a member of the Board of Directors of the Church of Scientology, and a founding member of Scientology's sub-cult Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) the entire credibility of the article is toast.

12 posted on 12/31/2004 8:42:21 AM PST by bd476
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To: neverdem
"Congressman Maurice Hinchey's office is currently reviewing ... Mr. Hinchey (Democrat, New York) said: 'This is an alarming study that should have been shared with the public and the FDA from the get-go, not 16 years later...' "

Now why would a Democratic Congressman be hot against Eli Lilly & Co., the manufacturer of Prozac?

This may be only a coincidence, but President George H.W. Bush, our President's Father, was at one point the CEO of Eli Lilly & Co.

13 posted on 12/31/2004 8:56:36 AM PST by bd476
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This may be only a coincidence, but President George H.W. Bush, our President's Father, was at one point the CEO of Eli Lilly & Co.

"George H W Bush was on Eli Lilly's board of directors, as was Ken Lay."

That's the best that I can find with a google, and that's an obviously left wing website.

Regarding your previous point that Breggin is a scientologist, and thusly discredited in your eyes, that's your prerogative. That's news to me. However, I do know that Breggin has been a determined crusader against drugging children, mostly boys, for attention deficit disorder(ADD) and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder(ADHD), diagnoses that are controversial and which have become current epidemics for what was previously considered normal behavior for boys.

14 posted on 12/31/2004 9:44:13 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: bd476
Breggin denies being a scientologist here.
15 posted on 12/31/2004 9:54:13 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
"Regarding your previous point that Breggin is a scientologist, and thusly discredited in your eyes, that's your prerogative..."

Dr. Peter Breggin is a Scientologist. Breggin's membership in the cult of Scientology has everything to do with his lack of credibility on all issues.

Dr. Peter Breggin belongs to a cult which believes in Xenu, a cult which believes that aliens inhabit human bodies and a cult which condones destroying/ discrediting members of the cult when they attempt to leave.

Scientologist Dr. Peter Breggin has spewed disinformation about the heritable neurological condition known as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Scientologist Dr. Peter Breggin led a legal team of Scientologists in their attack against Novartis, pharmaceutical company and manufacturer of Ritalin, one medication used for over forty years in the treatment of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Scientologist Dr. Peter Breggin, and his team of Scientology lawyers lost their Scientology sponsored lawsuit against Novartis, and they lost their earlier Scientology sponsored Prozac lawsuit against Eli Lilly & Co.

The article is about Prozac, but the information comes from the Scientologists. Therefore the article is skewed at the very least but more likely it is pure disinformation.

16 posted on 12/31/2004 10:06:30 AM PST by bd476
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To: neverdem
Neverdem, if Scientologist Dr. Peter Breggin denies his membership sitting on the Board of Directors of the Church of Scientology, or if Breggin denies sitting on the Church of Scientology's sub-cult subsidiary "Citizen's Commission on Human Rights" (CCHR) it would be interesting to see where it is written.

The link you provided goes to a parent directory with folders entitled "detoxification", "beingalkaline" "human parasite" "cleanse your liver", "world-health-site" which coincidentally bears the name of yet another sub group of the Church of Scientology.

17 posted on 12/31/2004 10:15:46 AM PST by bd476
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To: neverdem
Neverdem, I recall enjoying reading your posts in the past. I have no issues with you.

However I disagree with everything which is tainted by the Church of Scientology.

There have been times in the past when I've found enjoyment discussing issues muddled up by Scientology, but it's New Year's Eve, and I'm needing to catch up on some real life things.

Happy New Year to you and yours!

18 posted on 12/31/2004 10:31:11 AM PST by bd476
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To: bd476
We're getting wrapped around the axle concerning Breggin. My particular interest is adverse drug effects. Prozac and other serotonin selective re-uptake inhibitors(SSRI) appear to cause suicide and homicide in a certain subset of patients, especially in the time period after treatment has been initiated, the first few weeks, or the dosage increased.

The FDA has just required a black box warning on all prescriptions of SSRIs because of its tendency to cause suicidal ideation.

Columbine shooter was prescribed anti-depressant

The Antidepressant Connection

Teen Says Antidepressants Led to Slayings

The SSRIs are potent enough that when various adverse effects become intolerable in some folks they are switched to Prozac, because of its longer half-life, as they are gradually weaned off of them in order to avoid withdrawal or discontinuation syndrome.

19 posted on 12/31/2004 10:46:35 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: bd476

Happy New Year!


20 posted on 12/31/2004 10:51:32 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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