Yushchenko WINS Ukrainian Elections

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[b2stealth]

Latest data from Ukraine:
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CEC (99.87% counted) 52.02% (Yushchenko) - 44.18% (Yanukovich)
National Exit-Poll 56.31% - 41.31%
Social-Monitoring Poll 58.10% - 38.40%
The Luntz Research Company 56% - 41%
Yushchenko HQ 54.91% - 40.46%

[KMC1]

Color this strange but even LIBERAL bloggers are celebrating this...(Kos, Marshall, and others)
Sharper Minds Daily...

[1Old Pro]

Polls way off again.

[b2stealth]

That's because even Liberals know Russia would CURE THEIR WEAK LIBERALISM WITH STRONG COMMUNISM! :)

[rwfromkansas]

In the ballpark.....better than in November here.

[steveegg]

In other news; airborne pigs spotted in Kiev. Film at 11.

[rodguy911]

The big story, reported by FNC a couple of hours, ago is that Yanukovich will not give up under any circumstances.

That provokes the question has he been instructed to do so by our "great ally" Rasputin who is going nuts because he can't rebuild his former Soviet empire.

[COBOL2Java]

The Russian high command want to re-live the days of "Send in the tanks!"

[b2stealth]

I don't think Yanukovich has many options left,
the difference is to great..
Putin is busy doing some damage control..

[rodguy911]

I hope and think you are probably right but I don't trust Pootie at all.

[b2stealth]

Reportedly Russia spend 1 Billion US Dollars to put Yanukovich in power.. all for nothing.. Compared to 18 Million US spent..

[b2stealth]

>I hope and think you are probably right but I don't trust >Pootie at all.

Nobody should..

[rodguy911]

That is a staggering number. How much did our two candidates spend?

[RtWngr]

"Color this strange but even LIBERAL bloggers are celebrating this...(Kos, Marshall, and others)"

Not strange at all. I guaran-damn-tee that on January 6th Conyers will site the accuracy of the Ukrainian exit polls as more proof that Bush stole the election here.

[hchutch]

Yep.

And six to eight months down the road, I bet George Soros will be boasting about his involvement.

It's the same technique as he is known to have used in other countries: They claim fraud, citing exit polls, and take to the streets. In essence, a close loss in still a win for them.

If the KGB (now the SVR) had wanted Yushchenko dead, does anyone really think he'd have been around to lead that Orange Revolution?

A George Soros puppet now runs the Ukraine. Here's hoping that there is a huge fire or something on the production line for the Kolchuga.

[b2stealth]

>Not strange at all. I guaran-damn-tee that on January 6th >Conyers will site the accuracy of the Ukrainian exit polls >as more proof that Bush stole the election here.

Exit polls are only remotely accurate when there is a huge difference like 8%.. No the case in US..

[b2stealth]

>If the KGB (now the SVR) had wanted Yushchenko dead, does >anyone really think he'd have been around to lead that >Orange Revolution?

Do you think any pro-Russian candidate had ANY CHANCE of winning after THAT?

[RtWngr]

So you are saying that the US exit polls are much more accurate, and therefore Conyers and his ilk have a legitimate argument?

[PsyOp]

How much did our two candidates spend?

About a billion Rubles. Or about a $1.78 at the international exchange rate.

[frontdeboeuf]

Neither should we George Soros...

Yushchenko is the demon-rats' man in Eurosthan!

http://www.bhhrg.org/LatestNews.asp?ArticleID=53

Viktor Yushchenko’s popularity in Ukraine has been exaggerated both by his supporters within Ukraine and by commentators abroad. The West portrays the ex-premier as a man of the people who understands the market economy, civil society, etc., and is untainted compared with the rest of the Ukrainian political establishment. But Ukrainians see him differently.



A First Generation Oligarch


A close examination of Yushchenko’s biography indicates a less than squeaky-clean figure on the post-Soviet scene. Born in Sumy Oblast in east-central Ukraine, close to the Russian border, Yushchenko began his career in the agricultural division of the Soviet centralized state banking apparatus, “Gosbank.” As a rank-and-file Communist Party member his extreme conscientiousness in attendance and voting at Party meetings won him material rewards and in December 1989 he was appointed Deputy Chairman of the Ukrainian SSR division of AgroPromBank (Agro-Industrial Bank) USSR.


As the USSR was disintegrating, the Ukrainian SSR division of the Soviet Gosbank dropped – in its entirety – into the hands of the Ukrainian SSR banking sector chiefs, who formed the Joint-Stock Commercial Agro-Industrial Bank “Ukraina” (Bank Ukraina) with an extensive nationwide network of branches, a complacent clientele of collective and state farms, and billions of rubles in state funds. In 1990, one share of Bank Ukraina was worth roughly $17,000, and Soviet state credits continued to pour into Bank Ukraina as the government allocated multi-million-ruble subsidies to the agricultural sector. Viktor Yushchenko was deputy chairman of the board of Bank Ukraina, and was one of the individuals who is alleged to have embezzled huge revenues at a time when legislative oversight of banking activities was practically non-existent.


In 1992, after Ukraine had achieved independence, Bank Ukraina debuted on the post-Soviet scene with 1.254 billion rubles in profits. It was third among all the banks of the ex-USSR in terms of reserve capital with deposits equal to the combined deposits of all commercial banks in Ukraine at the time. As some contemporary observers put it, the “patriots” of post-Soviet Ukraine made their first million with their first billion – a reversal of the Rockefeller-Morgan scenario. Land and cheap labor were supplied to them by the collective farm system and they received political protection from the members of parliament they “owned.” In other words, the “leaders” of Bank Ukraina – Viktor Yushchenko included – were among the first Ukrainian oligarchs.


Bank Ukraina was the incubator for a “front line” of banking cadres, playing a role comparable to that of the Central Committee of the Ukrainian Communist Youth Union (Komsomol) in supplying new members to the Ukrainian SSR Communist Party. The top names at the time were Vadim Hetman, Viktor Yushchenko, Igor Mitiukov, Viktor Kravets and Alexander Veselovsky. Most of these figures met tragic fates. Hetman was murdered, Veselovsky died in a strange auto accident and Kravets went to prison on charges of malfeasance at Bank Ukraina (as did another colleague of Yushchenko’s, Vladimir Bondar). Yushchenko magically went on – unscathed – to the next phase of his career. His long-time partner at Bank Ukraina, Igor Mitiukov, went on to become Ambassador to Great Britain, a post he still holds today.


Before and after Ukrainian independence, Yushchenko was de facto benefactor at Bank Ukraina for a number of shady organisations springing up, including an association called “Impex 55 Crimea” (Impex). From 1989-92, Impex received hundreds of millions of rubles from Bank Ukraina in a series of illicit payments – 510 million rubles in non-interest loans to one entity under the Impex umbrella and another 300 million or so to others at an annual interest rate of 1-8%. Although the charter of Bank Ukraina specified a maximum of 5 million rubles at 25-30% interest for such loans, Impex and its structures received much larger sums under very profitable conditions. The facilitator of these transactions was Viktor Yushchenko. Almost none of the credits were ever returned to the bank, but were converted into hard currency and went into the pockets of the participants.


Impex funded the activities of several groups including the Russian Movement of Crimea (RDK) and the future president of the Crimean Autonomous Republic, Yuri Meshkov. Meshkov purported to champion the rights of Russians living in Crimea and, briefly, provoked conflict between Ukraine and Russia in 1993 in a heavily militarized area that was the headquarters of the former Soviet Black Sea Fleet. Oddly, Yushchenko, who took free Crimean holidays at the expense of Impex, is now portrayed as the representative of Ukrainian patriotic nationalism while his opponent, Viktor Yanukovich, is lambasted for favoring closer ties with Russia. Seemingly at odds with the would-be aims of a Ukrainian national-patriot like Yushchenko, Impex transferred to the “Russian Scientific Foundation” millions of rubles for “political consulting,” “methodological activities,” and “organization of contacts with the Supreme Soviet and the Government of Russia.” In short, the money which was used by the RDK brought Yuri Meshkov to power.


As an example of the sort of efficient, “free market” activities of the nascent financial elite around Yushchenko, Bank Ukraina issued Impex a credit for conversion into foreign currency supposedly for the purchase of agricultural equipment in October 1991. According to Bank Ukraina’s own rules, the bank’s credit committee was responsible for adopting resolutions on issuing credits, but in this instance the letter requesting the credit bypassed the credit committee and fell directly into the hands Igor Mitiukov who handed it to his colleague Viktor Yushchenko. The credit of 100 million rubles was duly issued. Although many Impex documents were forged and many necessary contractual forms were not even presented in the legal case that later arose, the protocol of the credit committee session clearly showed that the committee reached a decision to issue a 100-million ruble credit to Impex. During questioning, Ukrainian investigators established that only two persons – Viktor Yushchenko and Igor Mitiukov – attended the “session.” The eyewitness account of the credit committee chairman at Bank Ukraina, summoned by the Prosecutor-General on 10 November 1992, reads: “I did not participate in the session and did not take part in the discussion over whether to authorize the issue of a credit of 100 million.” Other committee members, except Mitiukov, gave analogous depositions. The letter requesting the credit was addressed to Igor Mitiukov, but final decision-making fell entirely to Viktor Yushchenko.


Impex never returned the credit. Furthermore, since Bank Ukraina was partially state-owned, part of the legal case should have involved embezzlement and misuse of state and collective property. Such charges – including forgery and use of forged documents, clearly applicable to Yushchenko – were brought against former Ukrainian Premier Pavlo Lazarenko, now languishing in prison in America. But somehow Yushchenko was nominated to the post of head of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) and the Prosecutor-General’s case against him evaporated. The Prosecutor-General was receiving clear, persistent signals from the top ranks of power in Ukraine: “Hands off Yushchenko if you know what’s good for you.” Investigators were advised not to question Yushchenko further. Nevertheless, one investigator wrote a letter to Parliament Speaker Ivan Plyushch on the eve of deliberations on the candidacy of the NBU chairman, laying out all the illegal activities of ‘Candidate’ Yushchenko and requesting that the Speaker acquaint himself and MPs with the letter’s contents before making their choice. Yet, the MPs approved the candidacy of Viktor Yushchenko, who magically escaped corruption charges. The Prosecutor-General of Ukraine never followed through on its interrogation.


It should be noted that all this was happening at a time of extreme hardship for ordinary Ukrainians. Financial whiz-kid Viktor Yushchenko and his accomplices in the banking sector’s commanding heights were creaming millions off unsupervised transactions while Ukraine experienced hyper-inflation and its currency changed three times (from ruble to kupon to karbovanets to grivna). Furthermore, the ultimate collapse of Bank Ukraine became one of the most tragic scandals in post-Soviet Ukrainian history, and caused millions of ordinary citizens to lose their savings.


The Myth of Premier Yushchenko


Supporters of Yushchenko will dismiss the above as minor sleaze, pointing to his tenure as prime minister, when he allegedly paid arrears in wages and pensions to Ukrainians. Again, a closer look at the record reveals another picture. The payment of arrears in pensions and wages actually began under Yushchenko’s predecessor, Valery Pustovoitenko, 3-4 months before Yushchenko became head of government. The “peak” of pension arrears payments and social support was in March 1999, when it reached over 2.362 billion grivnas [the currency introduced in 1996]. By April it had declined to 2.282 billion. The steady decrease in the total sum continued until November when it was 1.208 billion. All the while, the grivna was decreasing in value.


In the first month of Yushchenko’s premiership, December 1999, the amount of pension arrears payments was over 1.310 billion grivnas. According to the Pension Fund of Ukraine, the amount then fluctuated so that by January 2000 it was over 1.263 billion, increasing to just over 1.406 billion by February, and 1.310 billion by April – well below the payments made during Pustovoitenko’s tenure. The period from 2000-2002 witnessed a further rise in the Pension Fund’s resources, to over 6.312 billion grivnas. But this had nothing to do with the Yushchenko government. Rather, it was the result of two presidential decrees issued in 1997 and 1998.


The first of these decrees required commercial banks to make up shortfalls to the Pension Fund, and the second instituted mandatory national insurance. Further revenue was to be obtained from currency exchanges, automobile sales and value added from jewelry production. As a consequence of the ratification of the 1998 decree in 2000, a law was passed on increased rates of collection from processed tobacco products, real property purchases, and satellite telecommunications operation. These factors played a decisive role in the increase in payment of pension arrears rather than the maverick populist decisions made by Viktor Yushchenko. In fact, Yushchenko strongly criticized the government’s pension policies and initiated a court case to reexamine the amount of the average pension in 2002. While still prime minister, on 30th August 2000, Yushchenko submitted a project to the Verkhovna Rada (parliament) on the Law on General Obligatory State Pension Insurance. This law envisaged an increase in the age for receiving pensions to 65 for males and 60 for females; no increase in pensions for current pensioners, and, for a period of 10-15 years, legal force for the old existing pension legislation, placing strict limits on pensions.


The “peak” of wage arrears was reached on 10th August 1999, at over 7.192 billion grivnas, after which cancellation started. When Yushchenko entered the government, wage arrears were over 6.570 billion. At the time of his ouster in April 2001, the figure stood at 4.602 billion. From April to the end of 2001, under the government of Anatoly Kinakh, the arrears decreased to 2.484 billion grivnas (i.e., by 2.118 billion). The decrease continued after Kinakh. In 2003, under Yanukovich, it was down to 1.95 billion grivnas.


On top of all this rests the reality that, whatever wage or pension arrears were paid under Yushchenko’s government, the cost of living actually increased during this time. The average pension in 2000, in real terms, decreased in value by 11.8%. The real wage fell by 0.9%. An increase in real wages only occurred at the beginning of 2001, with rapid increase starting only after Yushchenko’s ouster in 2001. The real average wage then increased by 19.3%, in 2002 by 18.2%, and in 2003 by 15.8%. Again, none of this appeared to have anything to do with the activities of Yushchenko as premier.


A Candidate for the New World Order


What is obvious is that the West’s preference for Yushchenko stems not from his democratic credentials or his championing of the rights Ukrainians, but precisely the opposite: from his contribution to increasing the cost of living in Ukraine. Prime Minister Yushchenko succeeded in selling off several regional electricity distribution enterprises (oblenergos) in western Ukraine to foreigners, including to the American company AES. Those familiar with AES’s history in the ex-Soviet republic of Georgia will know that the privatization had disastrous results for the electricity sector there, and left many Georgians in the dark and cold in winter. This sort of change – privatization, scarcity, increased prices – is why Yushchenko’s candidacy is really valued in the West, not for democracy, “civil society,” or any of the other slogans the West trumpets. Apparently, despite Yushchenko’s support among the “enlightened” urbanites of Kiev who long to be “cool” and “Western,” and despite the control that pro-Yushchenko supporters have been able to exercise over the electoral process and machinery in Kiev and much of western Ukraine, a majority of Ukrainian voters in the 2004 election nevertheless remembered Yushchenko’s true legacy, and chose not to return to it.


Perhaps it was a sense that the Ukrainian populace was becoming content that has made Yushchenko and the opposition resort to more extreme rhetoric and measures in the election of 2004. Viktor Yushchenko, lauded by the West for his reformist credentials, ran as the staunch “opposition” candidate in 2004 using harsh language to criticize the regime. But he was handicapped in his attempts to portray himself as a radical. During the anti-Kuchma protests in March 2001, Prime Minister Yushchenko had described the demonstrators as “fascists,” and in 2002 Yushchenko’s campaign described itself as “neither pro-presidential nor extremist opposition.” So half-hearted was the opposition stance adopted by “Our Ukraine” in 2002 that the campaigns of the Socialists and Communists went so far as to identify “Our Ukraine” as just another “party of power.” In 2004, therefore, when Yushchenko decided to run as the “people’s candidate against the bandit government,” he was bound to experience a backfire. His failure to win the election in the first round – when he could count unconditionally on Western support – was an indication that things were not going as well as they should have been.



As with Mikheil Saakashvili in Georgia, Washington has clearly groomed Viktor Yushchenko for the Ukrainian presidency for many years. Yushchenko’s wife, Yekaterina Chumachenko, is an American citizen from the Ukrainian Diaspora, her parents having emigrated from Ukraine at the time of the Second World War. In the 1980s, Ms. Chumachenko worked as assistant to the US Assistant Secretary of State for Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs, then in different capacities in the White House Office of Public Affairs and the Department of the Treasury. From 1994-99 she was head of the Ukrainian representation at Barents Group LLC, which acted as a consultant to the National Bank of Ukraine when Yushchenko was chairman. It was at this time that she met Yushchenko and her influence over her husband is said to be enormous. While increasing numbers of Ukrainian politicians are denied visas to America, Yushchenko has little to worry about if he ever wishes to visit the United States.


In the final analysis, Yushchenko fits the New World Order bill like a glove. Can it be any wonder that George Soros – reviled in Ukraine – has offered his support so heavily to the pro-Yushchenko cause? The Soros world agenda centres largely on the idea of a financial-administrative elite and a global central bank, or World “Gosbank,” whose commanding heights will be the new nomenklatura. Who could be better suited for such a role than former Soviet Gosbank apparatchik Viktor Yushchenko? Unless something goes seriously wrong with the West’s plans in Ukraine, Yushchenko can be expected to appear shaking hands with George W. Bush in the White House in a matter of months. His ally, the gas industry oligarch Yulia Timoshenko (rumored to be a billionaire from Russian gas sales), should be joining him. For although she is wanted on an Interpol warrant in Russia for bribery, her name has recently disappeared from the Interpol website, presumably due to her vigorous support of the Orange Revolution. Evidently the Western scales of justice can be tipped by piling enough cash onto them.


This article is translated from the Russian,and is available at:


http://informacia.ru/facts/ushenko-facts.htm h

[BenLurkin]

I saw some of their debate and this guy sounded like just another Euro-socialist.

If that is "West leaning" then who needs it?

[BenLurkin]

bttt

[CDHart]

Dick Morris is on Hannity right now, explaining how the vote went -- he was apparently an election consultant in the Ukraine. But now he's saying that there is no doubt that Hillary will be the Democratic nominee in 2008, and she has a "very good" chance of winning! Too bad there are no new frontiers -- I'll just have to stay here, I guess.

Carolyn

[hchutch]

Hillary running, George Soros pumping millions into RAT 527s...

I really hope Jeb Bush reconsiders his decision NOT to run in 2008. I don't see who else could beat Hillary.

[b2stealth]

No, I'm saying that exit polls only accurate when there is a huge difference like 8%+
Not 4% like it was here in US..

[b2stealth]

>This article is translated from the Russian,and is >available at:

>http://informacia.ru/facts/ushenko-facts.htm h

GOD JOB COMRADE! KGB IS PROUD OF YOU! NOW GO BACK TO DU FORUM YOU TROLL!

[blteague]

my prediction is that this will be met with an iron fist and Putin will dare the West to intervene...they will not give up power and he will declare a national emergency in the Ukraine...s/b very interesting.

[RtWngr]

gotcha - thanks

[bagman]

C'mon, give them a break. There is no motivation for the Left to favor the status quo in Ukraine. I'd even argue, from a variety of angles, that it is in the interest of the Right to favor the status quo (Yushchenko has pledged to pull the Ukrainian contigent out of Iraq, Putin has been an ally in the GWOT, Putin has put a damper on oil prices, for instance). That both the Left and the Right agree on the desirability of an Orange victory in Ukraine speaks well of both sides.

Can't we all just get along?

[Reagan is King]

I wouldn't quote the British Helsinki Human Rights Group as a reliable source on anything. If you want more info on them read this about their past activities from Wikipedia:

British Helsinki Human Rights Group

[Lion in Winter]

When exactly will the Ukrainian troops be pulling out of Iraq? You know they will not be a part of the coalition in Iraq with the new guy in power.

Old George Soros gets another country willing to leave the coalition. What a nice present for his new year party!! Maybe it he get a few more countries to go along with his fascist/commie(socialist) buddies of the EU. I read someplace he is trying to pull some "money-coated strings" with the Albanian government and get them to quit as well.

[adam_az]

I don't trust ANY of these jokers -

Yuschenko, Yanukovich, just different sides of the same coin.

Both served in Kuchma's government.

One is a Soviet Putin dupe, the other is a far-left socialist who wants to join the EU. I don't see anything to be excited about in either case.

[Lion in Winter]

Let's see you have been here on FR for a shorter time than the person you called a troll. Hmmmmmmmmm.... perhaps you should NOT poke fingers in folk's eyes since you have been here NOT all that long yourself.

Besides, on FR we like to get opinions from many publications... whether we agree with them or not.

You sound so very harsh. Try to chill!

I do not trust either candidate, by the way. I cannot stand Soros and am no fan of Putin either. So, don't you dare call this old commie fighter a commie. Ever killed a commie soldier, pup?

[Lion in Winter]

BTTT

[Airborne1986]

"If the KGB (now the SVR) had wanted Yushchenko dead, does anyone really think he'd have been around to lead that Orange Revolution?"

Don't give them too much credit. They tried to off the Pope and failed and got caught. They tried and failed to kidnap Conrad Adenauer. When everything depended on it, they could not do anything about Yeltsin. They are much better at mass murder (Katyn Forest) than surgical strikes.

They have used poison before. The KGB killed a dissident in London with a poison pellet-shooting umbrella. The Russians must have assumed that English doctors were as incompetent as Russian doctors, that the true cause of death would remain undiscovered and that nobody would be the wiser. Of course, the pellet was recovered and the job was traced back to them.

[rawhide]

You forgot the Zogby-Kerry-Clinton-Yanukovich poll:

Yanukovich(eventual loser) - 54.3%
Yushchenko(eventual winner)- 45.2%

Zogby thought he had this election called right from the git-go? Maybe a recount is needed?

[hchutch]

But why dioxin, which has never been known to have caused a fatality?

If it was KGB, why not use ricin or potassium chloride to ensure he is killed?

[Tailgunner Joe]

I bet George Soros will be boasting about his involvement.

And you'll believe him. You believe Soros whenever it's convenient for you and fits your conspiracy theories, and you dismiss what he says when it's inconvenient.

Here's hoping that there is a huge fire or something on the production line for the Kolchuga.

The person Soros is really, indisputably responsible for putting in office is Leonid Kuchma, who already sold the Kolchuga to China and Iraq. Yanukovych is his chosen successor.

[Poohbah]

They tried to off the Pope and failed and got caught.

But the basic technique (having someone shoot the Pope) was a method of murder that was known to work.

Dioxin doesn't fit that description.

The KGB killed a dissident in London with a poison pellet-shooting umbrella.

Yup--the pellet was loaded with ricin, which is extremely lethal. A very small dose is 100% fatal, and once the fatal dose is in one's system, there is no antidote.

Conversely, dioxin is not known to be fatal, even at 140% of the dosage that Yushchenko apparently received.

My personal guess for "who gains" by this act: George Soros. Yushchenko is now too sick to lead Ukraine, and must rely on "helpers" from Soros' foundation.

The Russians must have assumed that English doctors were as incompetent as Russian doctors, that the true cause of death would remain undiscovered and that nobody would be the wiser. Of course, the pellet was recovered and the job was traced back to them.

Actually, the only reason that it was tracked back to them was that another intended victim got extremely lucky--the pellet fell out of his skin before delivering its full dose, but after he'd gone to the hospital because he was extremely sick. They then did a second post-mortem on Markov and found a similar pellet, plus they blood serum work to specifically search for ricin.

[Poohbah]

They tried to off the Pope and failed and got caught.

But the basic technique (having someone shoot the Pope) was a method of murder that was known to work.

Dioxin doesn't fit that description.

The KGB killed a dissident in London with a poison pellet-shooting umbrella.

Yup--the pellet was loaded with ricin, which is extremely lethal. A very small dose is 100% fatal, and once the fatal dose is in one's system, there is no antidote.

Conversely, dioxin is not known to be fatal, even at 140% of the dosage that Yushchenko apparently received.

My personal guess for "who gains" by this act: George Soros. Yushchenko is now too sick to lead Ukraine, and must rely on "helpers" from Soros' foundation.

The Russians must have assumed that English doctors were as incompetent as Russian doctors, that the true cause of death would remain undiscovered and that nobody would be the wiser. Of course, the pellet was recovered and the job was traced back to them.

Actually, the only reason that it was tracked back to them was that another intended victim got extremely lucky--the pellet fell out of his skin before delivering its full dose, but after he'd gone to the hospital because he was extremely sick. They then did a second post-mortem on Markov and found a similar pellet, plus they blood serum work to specifically search for ricin.

[Airborne1986]

"But why dioxin, which has never been known to have caused a fatality?
If it was KGB, why not use ricin or potassium chloride to ensure he is killed?"

A good point. Perhaps a really weak attempt at masking the operation? Whoever planned the operation clearly over-thought the problem. They had access and then blew it. I still like the Russians for it (but I am very biased).

[jer33 3]

Even though Soros supported Kuchma does not show his loyalty. He is an atheist with no moral values. He is an instrument of Satan. Soros and his NGO's will use whoever whenever it so seems beneficial to their end goal.

There is more to this than we know in this Ukrainian election.

[frontdeboeuf]

Hum, your B2 is not stealthy, so you cannot hide the fact your comment is idiotic, sandbaboon mole.

First, I gave the source of the article and it is to show Yushenko is not the hero the MSM is making him to be but a sordid crook just like his opponent and all the former Nomemklatoura scum.

God help Ukraine, as Yushenko is the very guy that robbed her of all her wealth, this land that used to be the Eden garden of milk and honey.

His mentor, your friend George Soros, the self-hating anti-semitic Jew will make sure Ukrainians have only their eyes left for crying.

I think that they would have been better off with Yanukovitch the other crook, as the economy is oriented toward a growing Russia and a shrinking Eurosthan have nothing to offer but Islamic turmoil,terror and revolution from their STEALTH embedded Muslim terror network that is inevitably scheduled to take over in a few short years, with the help of your beloved back-stabbing George Soros, of course!!!

So, hoist your butt skyward and your bonehead
Mecca wise, raghead!!!

[Tailgunner Joe]

Dear countrymen!

Dear brothers and sisters!

I would like to express my heartfelt greetings to all celebrating Christmas according to the Gregorian calendar.

Christmas is one of the most significant events in the Christian world. The followers of various religions celebrate this holiday at different dates. However, this cannot prevent us from experiencing the evangelic miracle of the birth of the Son of God and feel our unity in Christ.

For thousands of years this holiday has joined Christians in the eternal truths of life, made all of us think about the deep sense of being, and filled our hearts with love and charity.

My dear, I sincerely wish good health, happiness and prosperity to you. Let the light of the Start of Bethlehem warm our hearts, strengthen our faith, inspire to good and fair deeds. Let God’s grace come down on Ukraine and help our people find the shortest way to peace and understanding.

Christ is Born!

Glorify Him!

Victor Yushchenko

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Doesn't sound very liberal to me.

[rdl6989]

Doesn't sound very liberal to me.

Sounds normal (conservative)to me.

[FreeReign]

They claim fraud, citing exit polls...

It's an urban legend, a bit of propaganda that says the claim of fraud was based on exit polls. The evidence of fraud is long.

Former Congressman John Rhodes (R-AR): But then the ballots left the polling station and we have no idea what happened to them later. And if the entire process is not completely open, then we have no guarantee that any part of the process is completely open.

The ballot counting process was closed. Kuchma's election commission counted the ballots. You can't get more corrupt than that and there's a lot more.

[FreeReign]

When exactly will the Ukrainian troops be pulling out of Iraq? You know they will not be a part of the coalition in Iraq with the new guy in power.

It was Ukraine defense minister Aleksandr Kuz'muk who back in September said he wanted to pull the Ukrainian troops out of Iraq. He said this a day after president Kuchma signed an Executive Order to remove the existing defense minister Evgeniy Machuk, replacing him with Kuz'muk.

Again: Kuchma and Putin support Yanukovych. They also both support Kuz'muk. Kuz'muk a day after being given the defense ministry job by an Kuchma EO declares that Ukraine troops will pull out of Iraq. The following is a direct quote of Kuz'muk;

Kuz'muk:"In Iraq there is now a provision government, which now directs all processes in Iraq, in January there will be an election. And I believe that the Ukraine has full right to put forth the question of a gradual cut-back of it contingent and to end its mission in Iraq,"

Where's your direct quote of Yushchenko?

[FreeReign]

A George Soros puppet now runs the Ukraine.

Document for all the George Soros ties to Yushchenko.

I bet there's somebody on this thread who can document Yanukovich's ties to Soros.

[kayak]

I found this today by Googling Yushchenko's wife after hearing on Rush (with Roger Hedgecock subbing) that his wife had worked in both the Reagan and Bush 41 administrations.

Yushchenko is married to Kateryna Yushchenko-Chumachenko (his second wife). She is a Ukrainian-American born in Chicago and a former official with the U.S. State Department, where she worked as a special assistant to the Assistant Secretary of State for Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs. Opponents of Yushchenko have criticized her for remaining a U.S. citizen. During the recent election campaign, Kateryna was accused of exerting the influence of the U.S. government on her husband's decisions, as an employee of the U.S. government or even a CIA agent. She had earlier been accused by Russian television journalist Mikhail Leontyev of leading a U.S. project to help Yushchenko seize power in Ukraine; in January 2002, she won a libel case against him. Ukraine's pro-government Inter television channel repeated Leontyev's allegations in 2001 but in January 2003 she won a libel case against the channel as well.