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Medicare Will Help Beneficiaries Quit Smoking (Good Laugh)
yahoonews.com ^ | 12-25-04

Posted on 12/25/2004 10:37:36 AM PST by SheLion

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To: Madame Dufarge

"Warp 10 Smug Factor" -- ROFL! And oooooooh so true.

F'em. I'm only smoking five or so a day, but because of that bleeping smug factor, I will NOT stop, unless I forget, and stop by accident.


181 posted on 12/27/2004 5:50:30 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: SheLion
If we get just a little testy, we have good reason. People like you just want to take away the rights of the American people who choose to use a legal commodity. And it's people just like you that are taking away the rights of the business owner forcing them to go smoke free. Forcing them to lose business and most times, close.

Actually I am on your side when it comes to these issues.

I resent the fact that smokers are treated like criminals and banned by law from restaurants, bars etc.
I think those decisions should be left up to the owners of businesses.

I also think it is disgusting that the Govt want to balance the budget on the backs of smokers by taxing cigarettes $5 a pack. That makes me angry.

My only argument with you was over the fact that cigarettes are a health risk and not to belittle those who try to help others quit. The Title of of the thread?

182 posted on 12/27/2004 6:20:51 PM PST by Jorge
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To: SheLion
You are nothing but a smart arze and I'm just a little tired of dealing with your kind.

My "kind"? "arze"?

We can add these nice comments to "YOU FOOL" and "You are such a putz."
....and you telling other posters;
"It's a good thing I don't live close to this idiot. I would smack him a good one!"

Do you really think I deserve to have my feelings hurt like this?

183 posted on 12/27/2004 6:33:35 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge
My only argument with you was over the fact that cigarettes are a health risk and not to belittle those who try to help others quit. The Title of of the thread?

BS. Let's look at some of your posts to SheLion, shall we?

LOL. You sound like a fun person. If this is how you handle those who disagree with you on a message board I sure wouldn't want to be around you when you run out of cigarettes :)

151 posted on 12/26/2004 9:00:54 PM PST by Jorge

Now, can we get back to your flimsy claim "herion" and crack addiction? And how much worse you claim that cigarette smoking is, as far as quitting goes?

184 posted on 12/27/2004 6:34:17 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: SheLion
For your information, I was married for 34 years to a wonderful combat Viet Nam Vet! I lost him two years ago next month. He died from agent orange. We both smoked. And I miss him dearly.

I am really sorry to hear that. I can't imagine how hard it must be to lose somebody you've loved and been with for 34 years.

185 posted on 12/27/2004 6:38:08 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Judith Anne
Now, can we get back to your flimsy claim "heroin" and crack addiction? And how much worse you claim that cigarette smoking is, as far as quitting goes?

Why would I need to lie about something like this?

I honestly found quiting cigarettes harder than getting off heroin or crack/cocaine.

And and I've heard other people, both in my Rehab support group and Teen Challenge leaders say the same thing about addicts they ministered to.
That they had a much harder time quiting cigarettes than drugs.

I tried to quit several times over a 15 year period before I finally succeeded.

186 posted on 12/27/2004 6:46:36 PM PST by Jorge
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To: SheLion
Smoking STILL beats being a crack-head any day!

You're right about that.
I've never seen ANYTHING destroy people's lives more dramatically or rapidly than crack.

I thank God that I escaped this addiction with my life. Several of my friends were not so fortunate.

187 posted on 12/27/2004 6:52:20 PM PST by Jorge
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To: technochick99
After talking with another friend who took care of her father when he just died from lung cancer (the one that smokers tend to get), I hope that people will investigate their own situations more carefully.

Thanks for the info and for caring.  However, it's none of your business what I do with my life.  I have survived two major cancer's in my life (neither one was caused by smoking, I might add). I will have to die from something.  I doubt if I will get out of this life alive, so I may as well enjoy it!

188 posted on 12/27/2004 7:25:14 PM PST by SheLion (Happy Holidays to all my friends in Free Republic!)
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To: SheLion
However, it's none of your business what I do with my life.

It's been my experience that if you post your opinions or situations on FR, people will comment. You know that.

189 posted on 12/27/2004 7:38:10 PM PST by technochick99
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To: technochick99
It's been my experience that if you post your opinions or situations on FR, people will comment. You know that.

Comment is one thing, but trying to change my way of living is another. I don't take lightly to that.

Everyone has their own opinions but they don't have to try to force them on me. I have lived long enough to be pretty set in my ways.

190 posted on 12/27/2004 8:21:45 PM PST by SheLion (Happy Holidays to all my friends in Free Republic!)
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To: Judith Anne
I remember it as if it were yesterday.

Fondly.

191 posted on 12/28/2004 4:33:19 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Judith Anne
"Right, until benefits are tied to "counselling" for the "addicts." Assure me that won't happen."

I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes.

But let's be clear. You would deny Medicare offering stop smoking counseling to people who want it, not because you see it as another entitlement program, not because it might make people live longer and cost medicare more, but because you are afraid eventually they will take away or reduce your benefits.

192 posted on 12/28/2004 9:15:41 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Let's be very clear:

I would deny using taxpayer dollars to fund social engineering feelgood programs to perpetuate the myth that cigarette smoking is a disease that needs a counselling "cure."


193 posted on 12/28/2004 11:07:14 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne
"I would deny using taxpayer dollars to fund social engineering feelgood programs to perpetuate the myth that cigarette smoking is a disease that needs a counselling "cure."

Well in this case the government collected premiums from those people in exchange for a promise of medical insurance in old age. That insurance may not have been priced right. And the government might have spent the premiums instead of investing them in order to provide the promised care when due. But the government is obligated now to provide appropriate insurance care.

And it seems to me that smoking cessation programs are an appropriate "preventive wellness" program that a smart insurance company might very well undertake to cut their costs.

194 posted on 12/28/2004 12:25:27 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

So, why don't more insurers provide those services? Very few offer even partial benefits. On the other hand, they do charge nominally more to smokers for benefits.

I doubt that smoking has that significant effect on overall longevity and/or general health. Frankly, I think obesity directly causes far more and higher short and long-term costs.

In my experience, the additional $5 per month I was charged for being a smoker (for health insurance, through my employer, a hospital) was far lower than the $15 per month I would have been charged for being overweight, if I were.


195 posted on 12/28/2004 12:57:45 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: SheLion
Thanks for the post .... have a smoke on me today.

Dennis Leary said it best ... I smoke 7000 packs a day and I an NEVER f@#$ing quitting OK ?

196 posted on 12/28/2004 1:10:53 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: Jorge
I've never seen ANYTHING destroy people's lives more dramatically or rapidly than crack.

Amen to that. Meanwhile, smoke em if ya got em.

197 posted on 12/28/2004 1:11:39 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: SheLion
Everyone has their own opinions but they don't have to try to force them on me.

The fact that you see others posting their opinions on FR as trying to "force them" on you comes off as very insecure and overly defensive.
Just an observation.

198 posted on 12/28/2004 3:18:28 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Just an observation.

I, as many others in Free Republic have been fighting the war on the smokers for years. Believe me, I am not insecure nor am I overly defensive.

But when we run up against people like you who are trying to take away the rights of others, I refuse to sit on my hands and say nothing.

I will never change your mind and you will NEVER change mine.


199 posted on 12/29/2004 12:21:32 PM PST by SheLion (Happy Holidays to all my friends in Free Republic!)
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