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Conservative students target liberal profs
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 12/25/04 | Justin Pope - AP

Posted on 12/25/2004 9:34:35 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: Hodar

Or, does this priviledge extend to Christians only?


Yes!


21 posted on 12/25/2004 11:30:21 AM PST by loboinok (GUN CONTROL IS HITTING WHAT YOU AIM AT.)
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To: Rabid Dog

ping


22 posted on 12/25/2004 11:38:35 AM PST by KittyKares
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To: Ciexyz

I believe you're thinking of Candide. I read that in 10th grade. It's a good book, as far as books go.


23 posted on 12/25/2004 11:44:31 AM PST by College Repub
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To: NormsRevenge

My late father was in college right before WWII and the instructors were spouting leftists views than.

I believe he stood up to them.


24 posted on 12/25/2004 11:57:40 AM PST by freekitty
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To: Hodar
Classes like you are talking about are about the same as Basket Weaving , in my opinion. Better they take Mechanical Drawing or How to do something of importance in life. People who waste college on these things turn out to be Professors that go on teaching junk classes.Come to think about it in Basket Weaving you at least have something to show for your $60,000 education.
25 posted on 12/25/2004 11:59:04 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: NormsRevenge
I'm pretty much convinced that most profs. are liberal. However, some will let their bias slide if the student is able to effectively argue their conservative leaning cause.

Case in point: a left wing coworker of mine wrote a paper claiming why President Bush would win the 2k4 election. His claim was heavily backed by facts. As a result, he got an A on his paper.

26 posted on 12/25/2004 12:00:00 PM PST by Angry Republican (Screw the Sun! Ehrlich in '06!)
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To: Hodar
>I>Consider classes in biology, if any mention of evolution is challenged by a lawsuit, the students will fail to grasp the fact that life forms change over time.

Sorry but have to differ with you here. Life forms do not change over time and the fosil record shows that. This is a fact. Species appear in the fossil record fully formed and without any transitional species behind them. This true of man as well as other species. This is why the Darwin theory has had to be revised at least twice, trying to explain the lack of evidence in the fossil record. Instant mutation is the latest and greatest theory, and it is called puntuated equilibrium, also known as the Hopeful Monster Theory. Read a little more and keep an open mind. These are the things that should be taught. The truth about the fossil record, not so much ID, but the fact the evolution is not a fact, at least not yet.

27 posted on 12/25/2004 12:15:32 PM PST by calex59
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To: LS
One of my late colleagues---a liberal---recalled that in the 1970s students would stand up in HIS class and give him the "raspberries" and wag their fingers at him when he expressed anything LESS than a view that the U.S. government ought to be overthrown! I heard the same from another prof at UD during the same time. I say, give these lib profs hell!

And then there were the black mitiants who brought their GUNS on campus to demand an academic environment more to their liking, including more "black studies"

28 posted on 12/25/2004 12:34:30 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: calex59
Life forms do not change over time and the fosil record shows that. This is a fact.

You and I, in good conscious could argue this point for years. However, presenting a differing point, with supporting evidence on each side is part of the 'Scientific Method'; and as such is still a good exercise, regardless of our particular beliefs.

Presenting only one theory (whether Creationism, or Darwinism) does not foster exploration into scientic thought. And, teaching adults is what college is all about. Essentially, the college degree shows that the person has demonstrated the discipline to 'learn to learn' just about any subject matter.

Using the court system to restrict differing points of view are contrary to any educational process.

29 posted on 12/25/2004 1:25:17 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: NormsRevenge
You know, it's an amazing thing.

When I go to work, I go there to do my job, not proselytize my political beliefs.

When I go to a restaurant, I don't want to hear how bad a day the waitress is having.

And when I go to school, I'm there to hear the instructor speak on Math or Economics, not his personal beliefs.

I couldn't care less about his personal beliefs!

Why is this so hard? Because the academic world isn't secular at all - it's just that the religion they push is Statism (through a Socialist eye). For all they piss & moan about imaginary "separation" clauses, and how offensive it would be to expose someone to the horror of an alternate point of view, they have a wide-open (and almost exclusive) conduit to what Rush refers to as "Skulls full of mush".

I would like to see these people fear for their lives....
30 posted on 12/25/2004 1:48:45 PM PST by rockrr (Merry Freeper Christmas!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The situation varies from school to school. At my kid's school there is a good block of conservative faculty that gives a bit of balance. But it is still pretty bad. I think all of us conservatives need to support Horowitz. There is some terrible abuse of the system by liberals, and Horowitz and co. are just trying to set up minimal fairness. Realize that at many of the colleges--in many classrooms--it is pure propaganda, and conservative papers and presentations automatically get lower grades.


31 posted on 12/25/2004 2:36:33 PM PST by guitarist (commonsense)
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To: SauronOfMordor
And then there were the black mitiants who brought their GUNS on campus to demand an academic environment more to their liking, including more "black studies"

Wasn't it at one of the Ivy League schools (Brown or Cornell) that the Pres. of the University was held at gunpoint by people demanding a "black studies" program??

PS I think you meant to type militants, not mitiants.
...oh, and Merry Christmas.

32 posted on 12/25/2004 4:20:02 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: rockrr
Right on. I don't think profs should be made to fear for their lives, but if they're damaging students monetarily or blackballing them because of Leftist ideology, then turn the fury of the beast back upon itself and use the courts. It's only tearing a page from the book the Left has written. Much benefit might be derived from miring 'higher education' into endless litigation and the occasional damage award; less attention/resources can be devoted to convincing the students that the perfidy of the United States desperately requires its destruction.
33 posted on 12/25/2004 4:27:30 PM PST by BloodScarletMinnesota (MPLS STAR-TRIBUNE:America's Most Ridiculed Newspaper)
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To: LS
At Ball State, the school's provost sided with Professor George Wolfe after a student published complaints about Wolfe's peace studies course, but the episode has attracted local attention.

The very idea of a "peace studies" course is ridiculous. The title itself suggests there is an "attitude" behind the curriculum, rather than intelligent investigation.

Otherwise, would not such a course be labelled a "History" course?

Outside of propaganda and dialectics, I suspect that Prof. Wolfe has little interest in "teaching".

34 posted on 12/25/2004 4:35:45 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Hodar

Couldn't creationism teaching be considered as presenting another side to those who have never heard it before also?


35 posted on 12/25/2004 4:40:15 PM PST by westmichman (Pray for global warming. (Thank GOD for the red states))
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To: LS
"Even the most contentious or disaffected of students in the '60s or early '70s never really pressed this kind of issue," said Robert O'Neil, former president of the University of Virginia and now director of the Thomas Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression.

Absolutely he's lying. Remember ROTC buildings being firebombed? ROTC being banned from campus? Sit-in protests? Taking over administration buildings? It's the same lying revisionist history they've always pushed.

36 posted on 12/25/2004 4:41:18 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Hodar
Then, using your logic; ANYONE (Buddist, Wiccian, Muslim, Hindu, Satanic, Jewish, et. al) can sue to prevent ANY class from presenting ANY work that some may find offensive.

You sound like one of these ACLU types who sues for the right of the Nazis to march in Skokie, on free-speech grounds, and then turns around to remove Christian plaques or displays which have been around for decades, because one or two athiests are "offended", all on the grounds of a mythological "separation of Church and State" not mentioned in the Consitution. It's funny how their standards change according to whether Judaism/Christianity is being promoted, or not.

Hint: Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, and wasn't at the Constitutional Convention.
If you are actually concerned about promoting freedom of conscience in religious matters, why don't you look into systematic rape, murder, and human slavery practiced in the Sudan? I haven't noticed many Christians lately webcasting videos of Muslims or Falun Gong adherents having their heads sawn off with a dull knife, while chanting "Merry Christmas! We celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace!" lately, either.
You "open-minded" types would have a lot more credibility if you were being martyred by Communists and Muslims, like the Christians and Jews are, instead of just jacking off in public in friendly, left-wing settings like the Universities.

Merry Christmas, Troll.
And a proactive Happy Easter!

37 posted on 12/25/2004 4:41:33 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: BloodScarletMinnesota
I am reminded of a little ditty:

"For the want of a nail, the shoe was lost; for the want of a shoe the horse was lost; and for the want of a horse the rider was lost, being overtaken and slain by the enemy, all for the want of care about a horseshoe nail."
-- Benjamin Franklin

We trust the teacher to instruct our kids.
We trust the courts to rectify our wrongs
We trust our leaders to seat the judges
We trust the people to choose the leaders

When the system fails on one level, it touches other levels in ways that we often don't recognize.

When instructors impose their beliefs onto a captive, impressionable audience, and the courts don't (or won't) fix it, when our leaders don't (or won't restrain) the judges, and the people don't (or won't) throw them out, we all lose.

I want these people to recognize their mortality, up close & personal.....
38 posted on 12/25/2004 4:43:05 PM PST by rockrr (Merry Freeper Christmas!)
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To: grey_whiskers

My, my, my ... all this nastiness from a Christian on Christmas. For shame, perhaps instead of reading into a post things that are NOT there, you should read the post for exactly what words are chosen. I said exactly what I said, not mentioning Jefferson, the Declaration of Independance, Islam, systemmatic rape and the whole 'Christmasie bag of good cheer you brought to the party'.

My point is, and remains that lawsuits to PREVENT a topic from being discussed is the anti-thesis to learning. No one has the 'right' to forbid a entire class from discussing a aspect of the class, simply because it offends his moral compass; my response is to either withdraw from the class, or actually take the time to read the material. The college courses do not require your belief, only your understanding. I do not have to agree with Renold's rules regarding electo-magnetics, I don't have to believe in them at all, but one must understand them. That is called learning. I can learn about Islam, without being a Muslum; much as you can learn about Christianity without understanding the basic precepts.

You see, I attended and graduated from college. Judging from your spew of hate and sewage, you did not.

I have little use for the ALCU, Nazi's and marches into Jewish areas. Where you connected the aspect of 'learning' and Nazi-war crimes is beyond me. Perhaps you have a few issues you need to work out.

Merry Christmas, and do try to be a little civil. It's hard to debate with a rude lunatic.


39 posted on 12/25/2004 4:53:34 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: rockrr

Very nicely put.


40 posted on 12/25/2004 4:54:26 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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