Posted on 12/12/2004 7:52:25 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
COLUMBUS, Ohio - As it has done for 200 years, Ohio's delegation to the Electoral College (news - web sites) is to meet Monday to cast ballots for president and vice president — but this time, there are demands that the electors wait until after a recount. A demonstration was held Sunday as about 100 people gathered outside the Ohio Statehouse to protest the delegation's vote.The Electoral College's vote in the Ohio Senate chamber is expected to be accompanied by demonstrations outside the Capitol sponsored by groups who don't accept that President Bush (news - web sites) won the key swing state by 119,000 votes, guaranteeing his victory over Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites).
Led by a coalition representing the Green and Libertarian parties, the dissidents are paying for recounts in each of Ohio's 88 counties that will begin this week. The recount is not expected to be complete until next week.
"John Kerry conceded so early in the process that it's maddening," said Kat L'Estrange of We Do Not Concede, an activist group born after the election that believes Kerry was the real winner in Ohio and nationally.
L'Estrange, Susan Truitt of the Columbus-based Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections, and others demanded that the electoral vote be put off until the recount is completed.
"In Ohio, there has not been a final determination. Therefore, any meeting of the Electoral College in Ohio prior to a full recount would in fact be an illegitimate gathering," said John Bonifaz of the National Voting Rights Institute.
The dissidents claim there were disparities in vote totals for Democrats, too few voting machines in Democrat-leaning precincts, organized campaigns directing voters to the wrong polling place and confusion over the counting of provisional ballots by voters whose names did not appear in the books at polling places.
The Kerry campaign does not dispute that Bush won the election, but supports the Ohio recount. Kerry issued a statement Wednesday saying reported voting problems should be investigated to ensure there are no doubts in future elections.
Monday's Electoral College vote will follow the same script it has since 1804, when Ohio picked Thomas Jefferson, a Democratic Republican, over Federalist Charles C. Pinckney.
The electors will gather in the Senate chamber and cast votes for president, then vice president, on separate paper ballots. The ballots are counted by representatives of Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell's office and then handed to Blackwell, who is the presiding officer of the electoral vote.
Blackwell then signs a "transmittal" of the vote total and sends it to the president of the U.S. Senate, who will announce the national total on Jan. 6.
Ohio's electors are a mix of GOP officials and others who are being rewarded for service to the party.
"It's a great honor to serve as a member of the Electoral College and it's a great honor to vote for President Bush," said Alex Arshinkoff, longtime chairman of the Summit County Republican Party who is an elector for the second straight meeting.
Karyle Mumper, chairwoman of the Marion County Republican Party, will be an elector for the first time. She, too, feels honored but believes the demonstrations outside will be a distraction.
"It's a shame they do not believe in the honesty and the professional people working the polls," said Mumper. "I just think they are sore losers and money and time (for the recount) could be spent on other things."
Pretty much sums it up!
"Canada's only a stone's throw away... Don't let us stop you..."
Isnt tomorrow officaly set, game, and match? As if Nov 2nd wasnt.. but still...
If you do not go away, we will taunt you a second time.
Yes, and if I'm not mistaken the Ohio SecState already certified. So how that barking moonbat can say this is an "illegitimate gathering" is beyond me.
It is 47 miles from the Ohio-Michigan state line to the Ambassador Bridge.
I'll help them pack.
After tomorrow, it will be in the hands of the House. No court in the country can stop it.
"L'Estrange of We Do Not Concede"
Hhmm. Sounds like a FRENCH name to me.
For a laugh, see www.wedonotconcede.com.
The lefties' responses to the election keep getting L'Estranger and L'Estranger.
I think I saw her dance at our local gentlemen's establishment...
100 sore losers? What a hoot! Jesse Jackson predicted massive demonstrations and chaos in the streets for this demonstration. What a joke these losers are.
Interesting article today in the St. Pete Times.
A group of activists that didn't believe in the reliability of the touch screen machines, got permission to test the machines after the vote was certified.
They brought volunteers and voted for hours, then checked the tally on the machines against the votes they knew they had cast...surprise, surprise...no discrepancy.
Don't get worked up. We Republicans tend to go to church on a regular basis. For these sick people, this is their version of "church". This is their chance to get with their peers. They know they've lost - what they may not realize is just how close they are to being destroyed politically.
Of course. The Republicans fixed the test. What else?
...proving conclusively that the tampering had been undone before their test.
That's easy. What the code actually said was:
If November 2, 2004, then
Total Kerry Vote = 0.96*(Recorded Kerry Votes)
Total Bush Vote = 1.04*(Recorded Bush Votes)
If NOT November 2, 2004, then
Total Kerry Vote = 1.00*(Recorded Kerry Votes)
Total Bush Vote = 1.00*(Recorded Bush Votes)
That's how my buddies at Diebold did it.
(this theory should tie up the Dems for a while)
"So how that barking moonbat can say this is an "illegitimate gathering" is beyond me."
You're using logic and trying to apply it to democrats...it won't work no matter how hard you try. These are the same people who screamed in 2000 that they were disenfranchised in Florida....while their own freaking party ran the county election boards.
Nothing they do makes any sense...hence you can't apply logic. This advice will save you countless headaches....and I won't even bill you for it....lol
I wonder if the Dims are going to pull this ''selected'' stuff every time a Republican president is elected? Or is it just Bush they despise and hate so much?
It is 47 miles from the Ohio-Michigan state line to the Ambassador Bridge.
I'll help them pack.
I'LL BRING THE CATTLE PROD...
'Red Diaper Doper Babies'.
Red diaper, meaning their parents were lefties and raised them like that. Doper, as in pot-head or loser.
Kerry Letter.....
to 88 Board of Electors Directors..That Kerry was calling for investigations into distribution of voting machines. Jackson and Kerry together drafted a letter, (1)pointed to 92,000 ballots where no votes were counted for president; (2) Some outside independent verification of the optical scanners of paper ballots; (3) Provisional Ballots: The level of votes that were rejected were twice the amount as in 2000, another anomaly, to be investigated.
It's post #14 here: DU Thread I can't believe that Err America is leading these people on like this. Yup, that's where they heard it. DUers are delusional and jumping for joy. Tomorrow will be awful for them.
The good news about the "we was robbed" scenario is that it completely distracts them from fixing problems in the party and they live on in their delusion that their candidate really won.
Therefore, nothing changes, and they keep losing elections.
Sounds like a Rovian plot to me, LOL!
DUmbasses....
Having just spent the day with one of the poll counters from Fairfield County, the saddest part of all this is that the cost of the recount is going to come out of the budgets of the various counties. Few of them can afford the added expense, so it looks like (to us--that is, me and the poll-counter) a form of punishing all of those red Ohio counties who dared vote for W by denuding their treasuries. There's a slim to nil chance that any ambulance chaser or the A$$hole Commie Liars Union will offer pro bono work to get this to the Ohio Supreme Court. So it looks like Bush supporters in Ohio are just going to have to swallow no snow plowing, road repairs, maintenance etc. While the low-life turds in Kleeblen, Klumbus and Snickernasty can sit back and laugh at the hicks in the sticks.
The operative term here is Kerry conceded...get it...he gave up...he said he lost...get a life you liberal swine!
Head for Canada, you deserve each other...better yet, head for Rwanda, they need all the population they can get...
SOMETIMES I COULD JUST SCREAM! //end rant
Hello? I didnt post this?
And everything i have posted was duped or already posted.. so you have no clue what your talking about..
You're killing me!
That's great stuff!
BWAAAAHAAAAAA HAAAAAA
Its Republicans they hate. They despise Bush more than the rest but principally I think, because is perceived by them as a symbol of their powerlessness. The Left has still not come to grips with the fact they no longer set the agenda or run the country.
Ohio has no choice in the matter:
US Constitution, Art. II, sec. 1:
"The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States."
3 USC Ch. 1, Sec. 7:
"The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct."
Speaking of Jesse Jackson, he claimed he had "Moral Clarity" to scream for this recount.
Bill Cunningham of WLW Radio (THE BIG ONE) in Cincinnati interviewed Jackson on his show on December 2nd, and when Jackson said he had Moral Clarity, Cunningham then asked if he had "Moral Clarity," why did he (Jackson) have extra-marital sex with a couple of women who later had babies made by Jackson. Jackson then just hung up the phone, and the interview was over.
The Revolution has arrived!!!
DUmbasses....
Hey Dummies!
There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate
He is there illegally!
Hanoi Kerry is in violation of
US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State,
who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress,
or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature,
or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,
or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Violation of 18 USC 2381
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002381----000-.html
Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States,
levies war against them or adheres to their enemies,
giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,
is guilty of treason and shall suffer death,
or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined
under this title but not less than $10,000;
and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Violation of 18 USC 953
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000953----000-.html
Private correspondence with foreign governments
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States,
directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse
with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof,
with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government
or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes
or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply,
himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents
thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained
from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
Violation of UCMJ Section 904. ART. 104.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj2.htm
AIDING THE ENEMY
Any person who--
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or
communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.
Petition to Investigate and Indict
Hanoi Kerry for acts of treason
http://patriotpetitions.us/kerry/
Timeline of Hanoi Kerry
http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html
VVAW, FBI files and John Kerry,
What stockpirate has found
http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/
Viet Nam Vets are NOT going away
until Hanoi Kerry is removed from office!
212 LINKS to Anti Kerry sites
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page
http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html
Contact your current
senators and representatives
and main stream right wing media
and find out why Hanoi Kerry still is in the US Senate.
Demand that this traitor is removed from the US Senate now!
Don't be like the silent majority in the 60's and 70's
and turn your back on America and cave in to the anti war minority.
Speak up for America today!
Distribute these url's!
EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!
Full details on these url's!
http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html
There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.
http://stophanoikerry.150m.com
Of course Moral Clarity TM does apply to a reverend caught with a mistress and a love child on the side. It only applies to those eevil Republicans!
Sounds like a Rovian plot to me! Ha! That was a good one! The way I hear the Rats say they are going to ''fix'' the problems in their party is ,they are going to break off and form a new third party of radical lefty Dems cause they are mad that Hillary may try and go more towards the center to win in 2008. I dont think this will fix all the problems the RATS have but I hope they do form a new third party of Dims, with Howard Dean as their inspirational leader!They can call themselves the DeanacRATS OR DummycRATS or just plain the RAT party!
Oh, the shame.
Idiots aren't quoting the taglines in this thread.
I also noticed that they're too stupid to understand the insults. I still feel sorry for them. Tomorrow will be a shock. I truly hate seeing anyone get that hopeful only to have hopes dashed.
100 protestors?
wow...how underwhelming! Actually, pretty pathetic that that's all they could come up with in a state of that size. What's truly sad is that Ohio election boards are going to have to pay. Methinks that the Dems will pay the price next time.
Take names and give the IRS something to do.
BINGO! Give that man a cigar! heh,heh
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