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So Many Deer, So Much Development
washingtonpost.com ^ | Sunday, December 12, 2004 | Brigid Schulte

Posted on 12/11/2004 8:56:54 PM PST by crushelits


Growth Thwarts Va. Hunters

The dawn is still, a faint brightening just above the dried husks of a Purcellville cornfield, the moon still bright. Jay McKeever freezes and slowly inches down into a squat. A white-tailed buck emerges from a thicket of bare trees, the "big boy" he has tracked all morning.

The buck, colorblind to the blaze orange baseball cap McKeever wears, comes to a halt. It would be a perfect shot -- and a rack of antlers worth mounting. McKeever curses quietly, his Browning .270-caliber deer hunting rifle, with scope, untouched on the frozen ground next to him. The buck startles and bounds back into the woods.

"I could have shot, but I don't know where the bullet will go," he whispers. "It could hit a bone and deflect." These days in Loudoun County, a ricochet could be deadly. The plastic-tipped rifle bullet McKeever uses can keep goingafter it passes through a deer and travel up to a mile if he misses. And though they are invisible beyond a rise at the edge of the field, a Christmas tree farm and a new development of $700,000-plus homes sit in his line of fire. Some of the yards have brightly colored slides and jungle gyms. Hunting in the shadow of mansions, McKeever says, is "like a head-on collision. There's just no place to let a rifle bullet loose around here that's not going to wind up getting in trouble."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: deer; development; environment; hunting; landuse; loudouncounty; many; much; vavenison

1 posted on 12/11/2004 8:56:54 PM PST by crushelits
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To: crushelits

Time to get a new gun. He needs a a 30-30.


2 posted on 12/11/2004 8:59:07 PM PST by Cornpone ((Aging Warrior))
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To: crushelits

He could try a shotgun with slugs or buckshot.

There are a couple of places here in GA where I am not too comfortable hunting with my 7mmRemMag. So I'll opt for the Winchester model 94 (.44Mag w/ hollow points) or a Remington 11-48 12 guage shotgun with 00Buckshot.


3 posted on 12/11/2004 9:04:45 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: spodefly

In some part of Maryland that's the only thing you can use. (slugs or buckshot).


4 posted on 12/11/2004 9:11:33 PM PST by crushelits
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To: crushelits

I've encountered this same problem. A couple years ago a friend and myself spent the season hunting an island that was absolutely teaming with deer. The problem was you almost never got a chance to shoot them because they were ussually standing in someones front yard. Eventually we both did get our deer, but we never chose to hunt there again.


5 posted on 12/11/2004 9:39:37 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: crushelits
Evidence that the bias is sometimes just pro-conflict, and not necessarily pro-liberal, even in a paper like the WP. The WP finds a place in their hearts for gun owners who want to tromp around in hiding and fire their weapons on, near, or toward other people's homes?

Would someone who wanted to open up a target range in this area get such nice treatment from the WP, do you think? Or even freakin' mountain bikers, riding on other people's property?

If deer get out of control, then local residents will have to decide what to do. In the meantime, it's just too bad that these hunters' recreation is curtailed by other people spending a fortune for property and a home (even a home that looks "zactly" like the others). Someone lives there. You're just going to have go get permission, or shoot somewhere else. Boo hoo.

6 posted on 12/11/2004 10:00:33 PM PST by Timm
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To: crushelits
Yes, it's true, as the Post article complains--Loudoun County, Virginia, is absolutely infested with these creatures. You can't drive down the road without seeing one or more of them running along the side of the road or standing in the garden of a vulgar McMansion. They're breeding out of control and establishing their habitat in what was formerly beautiful open countryside. They are Yuppie Scum, and I certainly support shooting them. ;-)

More seriously: deer are a problem almost everywhere, but particularly in Loudoun County, which is the second fastest-growing county in the US. Many new Loudoun residents buy or build in what was until recently farmland or forest, and are then surprised that they have to deal with displaced wildlife and the other problems inherent in country living. In my county we have had some luck in dealing with yuppies, PETA types, and deer all at the same time by staging deer drives, in which professional hunters slaughter large numbers of deer which are then used to feed the poor. It's not a perfect solution but it's better than nothing.

7 posted on 12/11/2004 10:13:13 PM PST by Capriole
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To: crushelits

Sometimes I forget how lucky we are to live within a couple hundred yards to several hundred thousand acres of wilderness area and multiple use public lands.


8 posted on 12/12/2004 12:06:18 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: crushelits

My question is, why is he hunting, let alone packing that rifle if he is not going to shoot? Something fishy in hunting country with this story.


9 posted on 12/12/2004 12:09:31 AM PST by taxesareforever
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To: Cornpone

Better yet, he needs a 12lb Mountain Howitzer, which this guy uses to hunt deer in Wisconsin. http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm


10 posted on 12/12/2004 12:13:06 AM PST by flying Elvis
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To: Timm
..if deer get out of control, then local residents will have to decide what to do...

Could you supply an example of where 'local residents' have managed overly large deer populations?

11 posted on 12/12/2004 2:01:56 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: crushelits
..the plastic-tipped rifle bullet McKeever uses can keep goingafter it passes through a deer and travel up to a mile if he misses...

Sounds like a Glaser-like opportunity, for some clever ammunition or projectile maker.

12 posted on 12/12/2004 2:03:20 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: taxesareforever

I agree, something's fishy, why is he even there? Also, I'd never lay a scoped Browning on the ground.


13 posted on 12/12/2004 2:09:05 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

Heck, I just shoot them in the yard. A bow works fine, and it doesn't alarm the neighbors. Killed my third deer of the season yesterday (although I used a shotgun on that one)....I have enought venison in my various freezers to last me a couple of years.


14 posted on 12/12/2004 2:58:56 AM PST by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: crushelits

Time to buy a crossbow. Arrows almost never ricochet and you can always see where they went and they will never "travel up to one mile" after they ricochet.


15 posted on 12/12/2004 4:48:34 AM PST by Conservative Infidel
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To: crushelits
In some part of Maryland that's the only thing you can use. (slugs or buckshot).

Same here in Southern Michigan.

16 posted on 12/12/2004 4:51:24 AM PST by Recovering Hermit
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To: sauropod

ping


17 posted on 12/12/2004 4:56:29 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: All

18 posted on 12/12/2004 5:17:18 AM PST by crushelits
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To: All

19 posted on 12/12/2004 5:20:35 AM PST by crushelits
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Just look at Wis. when their deer got sick. They had to destroy almost the entire herd, because of some nit-witted idea that we don't need to hunt. Hunting is a way of life for some people, and a way to control the size & populations of animals!
20 posted on 12/12/2004 5:23:11 AM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth,rebel by choice, MARINE BY GOD!)
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To: crushelits
untouched on the frozen ground next to him

The ground hasn't frozen here so far this year.

21 posted on 12/12/2004 5:25:37 AM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters")
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To: Capriole
Many new Loudoun residents buy or build in what was until recently farmland or forest, and are then surprised that they have to deal with displaced wildlife and the other problems inherent in country living.

The idiots in Fairfax just ripped up a fairly decent tract of woods by the Vienna Metro. Now the deer that had taken cover there are being hunted by all the drivers in the area.

22 posted on 12/12/2004 5:30:13 AM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters")
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To: palmer
Here in Annapolis I've seen deer roaming next to crowded avenues.
23 posted on 12/12/2004 5:40:48 AM PST by crushelits
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To: flying Elvis
Meat recovery was very reasonable for a 100 yard shot. Although the holes look big, there was very little extended meat damage.

I thought this was satire until I scrolled down and viewed the picture of the dressed buck . . .

24 posted on 12/12/2004 5:50:00 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: crushelits

Probably eating out of dumpsters. Next they'll be head butting people on the street for handouts.


25 posted on 12/12/2004 5:53:18 AM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters")
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To: crushelits

Maybe starting a (sub) urban legend that deer meat is an aphrodisiac will drive up poaching?


26 posted on 12/12/2004 5:57:02 AM PST by P.O.E. (Thank you, Vets!)
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To: spodefly
So I'll opt for the Winchester model 94 (.44Mag w/ hollow points) or a Remington 11-48 12 guage shotgun with 00Buckshot.

Wondering how the .44 gets the job done.
I've been toying with getting a lever in .44 or 35 Rem.
(why I don't know as I don't hunt, just have the urge for a big bore)

27 posted on 12/12/2004 6:35:29 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Vinnie
Wondering how the .44 gets the job done.

That gun, the Winchester 94 in .44Mag, is the one gun that I would keep if I could only have one gun. It is small, lightweight, reliable, easily maintained, durable, and powerful.

There are a wide range of loads available in .44Mag for game from small to large, and if it were your only gun, you could even use shotshells and go bird hunting with it (though I haven't actually tried that.) They are accurate out to a 150 yards, and I can hit what I aim at with nothing but the iron sights. Here is a FR thread on the Model 94.

28 posted on 12/12/2004 10:15:59 AM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: crushelits

It's a state law in Iowa...shotguns only.


29 posted on 12/12/2004 10:18:51 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Conservative Infidel

Some states have no provisions for crossbow use...ie, they're illegal.


30 posted on 12/12/2004 10:21:26 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: PjhCPA; Iowa Granny; ohioWfan; Petruchio; SJackson; Rytwyng; Dr Snide; ozaukeemom; Graybeard58; ...
From the link to the original article: Lately, the talk among hunters at the 7-Eleven coffeepots has been about the explosive story out of Wisconsin, where a Hmong hunter who had been on someone else's deer stand on someone else's land shot and killed six hunters. They say the man was a criminal, not a hunter. They fear that the story will give hunters a black eye and embolden hunting opponents to push for more restrictions. But they acknowledge that some of the same pressure that drove Chai Vang to trespass on private property -- the loss of hunting ground to development -- is being felt in Loudoun in spades.

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31 posted on 12/12/2004 10:26:00 AM PST by Ladysmith (Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: Ladysmith

Thanks for the ping.


32 posted on 12/12/2004 4:13:11 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Cornpone

Seriously. If he's afraid of the shot travelling too far, he ought to try a shorter rifle.


33 posted on 12/12/2004 4:15:29 PM PST by Petronski (Sleepin' on the interstate, ah whoa-o, Gettin' wild, wild life.)
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To: crushelits

Crossbow.


34 posted on 12/12/2004 4:16:58 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ. De Opresso Liber.)
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To: crushelits

Crossbow.


35 posted on 12/12/2004 4:16:59 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ. De Opresso Liber.)
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To: Petronski

You're right about that...a .270 wasn't made for brush hunting...it's an open range gun...


36 posted on 12/12/2004 4:18:26 PM PST by Cornpone ((Aging Warrior))
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To: Conservative Infidel
Time to buy a crossbow.

Not legal in VA, unfortunately, though there should be a bill introduced before our General Assembly next year to change that.

I live and hunt in Loudoun County. The area I hunt on is safe for a rifle, only because I prefer to stay on high ground and shoot down into streambeds and drainages. Otherwise I'd use either a handgun or a bow.

37 posted on 12/13/2004 5:27:25 AM PST by gieriscm
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To: crushelits

Sabots my man, sabots.


39 posted on 12/13/2004 2:11:52 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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40 posted on 12/13/2004 2:39:04 PM PST by crushelits
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