Attorneys Want Gun Maker Held Responsible In Florida Teacher Shooting

News4Jax ^ | December 7, 2004

[Blood of Tyrants]

Next, they will be suing Jack Daniels and General motors for drunken driving deaths. After all, both companies KNOW that people will drink and drive.

[taxed2death]

Anyone know what the muzzle speed of the average .25 cal is?
I'm always amazed to hear people actually get killed with such a pip-squeek cal. I was under the impression that it would bounce off someones skull...and barely make it through a quality bombers leather jacket and all the way into some vital organs. Obviously I am seriously mistaken.

[ExSoldier]

So sue the bullet makers.

Don't go giving anybody any ideas!

[Blood of Tyrants]

I am in favor of an intelligence test. First, lay a couple of handguns in a room on a table, then let people in the room and see what they do. If either of them does anything grossly unsafe, grab them immediately and tattoo an "S" for "stupid" on their forehead and never let them own a gun.

[jmq]

As a former felony state prosecutor, I would routinely go to police interviews. As a young pup out of law school I was always eager to learn new stuff. Once during a intercity robbery suspect's interview he described a "Keep-off" as a .25 - .32 doesn't kill anyone, it just keeps them off you. Novel?

[ExSoldier]

25 - .32 doesn't kill anyone, it just keeps them off you....

Actually it should read: .25-.32 doesn't kill anyone right away, it may take them several weeks to die....but it will keep them off you in the near term.

[Shellback Chuck]

You can kill someone with a pellet gun if you hit them in the right spot. Suing a gun manufacturer is insane. Who are they gonna sue when someone is killed with a "zip gun"?

[SauronOfMordor]

Attorney Edna Caruso said federal officials told Valor Corp. for years that its .25-caliber Raven handgun was frequently used in crimes and that the company had a legal responsibility to make the weapons safer.

The gun was not unsafe -- it operated exactly the way ANY gun is designed to operate.

She's upset that a manufacturor makes an inexpensive gun. They are serving a legimate market: people who need a firearm for self-protection, but are too poor to afford a $2,000 custom-tuned 1911. Low income, and the need for protection against crime, very frequently come together

[Chinito]

"... Still, a single round of .40 in the upper torso is going to have a startling and surprising effect on any assorted vermin...."


As retired LEO & Range Master, we used to say the bigger the hole the faster you let the air out. Cheers.

[lucky7]

What do you expect it Palm Beach County, all liberal democraps, when you go to the keys to fish, you drive around this county as much as possible, don't buy any gas or food or even pee in this county, we just ignore the damn fools. Nothing but a bunch of dumb liberal northerners live there, play golf and scratch there behinds.

[stevefromcalifornia]

What product liability? The gun worked perfectly.

[Dan from Michigan]

A gun is as safe as the person behind that. This should have been summarily dismissed with the attorney getting his ass kicked legally for bringing this case.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

If guns kill people where are mine hiding all the bodies ?

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")

I love that movie especially the part about running through the street naked with green jello all over my body OH ! and rat burgers

He he he

[Dante3]

LOL

I'm getting sick of all these lawsuits by the greedy and the demented -- they have turned into legal extortion.

[LibertarianInExile]

Just once I'd like to see a judge sanction these shysters' butts.

[Condor51]

Anyone know what the muzzle speed of the average .25 cal is? I'm always amazed to hear people actually get killed with such a pip-squeek cal....

Well, your question is a tad ambiguous but I'll give it a shot (no pun intended).

Remington 25 (6.35mm) Auto.
R25AP Remington® Express 50 gr bullet
VELOCITY (ft/sec); 760 muzzle, 707 @50ft, 659 @ 100ft
ENERGY (ft-lbs); 64 @ muzzle, 56 @ 50 ft, 48 @100 ft
MID-RANGE TRAJECTORY; 2.0"@50ft, 8.7"@100ft

In any case you're correct, the energy in ft-lbs is pathetic. However from 'up close & personal' it's very effective to the back of the head. That's why wise-guys use a .22LR --- uh, that's what I hear anyway :-)

Note all the stats are the same for Remington UMC ammo. And there may be some 'hot loads' made in .25 auto, that I didn't check.

[LibertarianInExile]

No, just made safer. NOW has a proposal for a male chastity belt that involves a bear trap. It's also a recruiting device--if a man gets caught in it, he'll be a natural candidate for next year's NOW board of directors.