Report: Nichols Admits Okla. Bombing Role (still shocking years later)

AP ^ | Nov 28, 7:49 PM EST | AP

[fire_eye]

I will not believe one word of anything anyone says about this until Andreas Strassmeier is extradited and forced to reveal *everything* he knows.

[D-fendr]

It's hard for me to believe al Qaeda would not have taken credit for it if they did it.

[streetpreacher]

"McVeigh told me what to do," Nichols said in the statement, which was prepared with the aid of his attorneys.

Yes, this sounds believable...

[LS]

I love you conspiracy nuts. McVeigh said he acted only with Nichols. Nichols said he acted only with McVeigh. Four juries in two states have come to the same conclusion. But, of course, you, at your computer, know better . . . .

[LS]

And I'll trust the grand juries and petite juries of TWO STATES that all came to the conclusion that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone. Course, in your mind, those "ordinary citizens" with "nothing to gain" don't count. They are just stupid jurors, abetted by corrupt prosecutors "hiding" the truth in front of "bought off" judges. Does that about sum it up?

[LS]

Oh, and by the way: it would be in the interest of Bush, the CIA, and EVERYONE to FIND a link between Arabs---especially Iraqis---and OK City. Yet no one does (no one credible). Why not? What does Pres. Bush have to gain by concealing a link? He has everything to gain by exposing one . . . if it exists.

[SVTCobra03]

http://www.jaynadavis.com/

[LS]

I know about Jayna Davis. This still does not explain how you can have three (or is it four?) different prosecutors; four trials and three or four juries all try and convict ONLY these men and not have either the defense bring up the "third man" or have no evidence of this introduced at trial; or why the juries ALL agreed that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone; or why THEY continued to say they acted only in concert with each other, when it is in the interest of the government to tie this to Arabs.

Sorry, won't wash. In order to believe this, you impugn too many good people who had a stake in making sure Arab terrorists were "outed" if, in fact, they were involved.

[Windsong]

"Jewish World Review...

Muslim link in Oklahoma City bombing revisited"

Gee, theres an unbiased source! Jews having something negative to say about Arabs? The shock and horror!

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: "Course, in your mind, those "ordinary citizens" with "nothing to gain" don't count. They are just stupid jurors, abetted by corrupt prosecutors "hiding" the truth in front of "bought off" judges. Does that about sum it up?"

While it appears that it is your wont to make up things that make you feeeeeeeeeeeel good I try to be a little more rational. Nevertheless a response is warranted owing to the seriousness of this matter.

I too trust the members of the jury to do the best with what they have. It is not however true that "all came to the conclusion that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone."

http://edition.cnn.com/US/9812/30/bombing.grand.jury.03/

"Grand jury finds McVeigh, Nichols acted alone in Oklahoma bombing," December 30, 1998

Despite the headline writer's apparent wishes the OKC grand jury was less than 100 percent certain according to the article quoting the jury's 21-page report.

You are right about ordinary citizens and grand juries. They have nothing to gain and they are honest. This grand jury was honest to admit that it is not 100 percent certain that no others were involved. To wit:

"We cannot affirmatively state that absolutely no one else was involved in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building," grand jurors reported. "However, we have not been presented with or uncovered information sufficient to indict any additional conspirators.". . ."We can state with assurance that we do not believe that the federal government had prior knowledge that this horrible terrorist attack was going to happen," the grand jury's report stated.

Please specify why your response (if any) discredits this. References will help. Thanks.

[LS]

"evidence sufficient to indict" is pretty clear, especially coming from un (legally) trained jurors.

Let me be clear: I think there was a third guy there; it SEEMS like he's an Arab or Iraqi; and I would LOVE for there to be proof (or, if you're Lanny Davis, "pwoof") of this Iraq-OK City connection, and for it to be overwhelming.

But you have to ask yourself why so MANY citizen jurors---in different states, with different access to different information---never could conclude another man was involved; or why the defense attorneys never pursued this; or why (esp. in the post-Clinton era) prosecutors haven't offered a deal with McVeigh to implicate someone else.

It is exactly the opposite of what you would logically think: it is in absolutely EVERYONE's interest to tie this to Arabs . . . yet no one (conclusively)does.

And, in turn, that not only calls into question Clinton and his administration (of which I do not think EVERY one was criminal or corrupt), but the Bush administration (of which I think very few are corrupt). It also calls into question the judgement and truthfulness of the grand juries in OK and CO, and two petite juries, as well as ALL of the judges who could have "set aside" the jury verdicts in light of solid evidence of "outside forces."

I will be happy if the links are proved, but we should not substitute hope for fact.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

I agree with just about everything you said. I would suggest (without googling, I'll trust my memory) the McVeigh prosecution would not call eye witnesses who saw McVeigh because all of them reported seeing others with McVeigh. Furthermore, the defense was not allowed to bring up the possibility of others. Witnesses to the explosion inside the building were called to describe their horror and had everyone including the prosecution in tears.

If there is one chance in a million that others are involved – white supremacists or radical Muslims – then it is sickening to me to let them walk away from the bombing! I hope that Ms Jayna Davis, et al. keep it up until they can convince themselves there really were no others OR the public comes to know that there were others and just like they did almost ten years ago for Ruby Ridge and Waco, make Congress do something.

[sarah_f]

As an "Is real?" supporter, I would expect you to impugn Jews while simultaneously ignoring all the article's facts.

The shock and horror!

[LS]

I agree that as long as there ia any doubt, the investigation should be open. But it's like TWA 800: to believe that (in TWA's case) a missile was involved means either, in its most blunt logic, that George Bush knows that either Arab terrorists or a stray U.S. Navy missile shot down that plane.

Now, there is no reason on earth why, if he knew the former, he wouldn't USE it; and if it was the latter, he is a good enough man to release the truth. Ditto with OK city: to accept that Nichols and McVeigh did NOT act alone, we have to discount all the local law enforcement; FBI; prosecutors; defense attorneys; judges (who, remember, had verdict "set aside" powers if they thought a verdict was unfair); not to mention the juries---all that BEFORE you get to Bush and the administration who would have to be covering this up. Doesn't make sense. As I say, I WISH it were Arab terrorists.