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Limbaugh on NBA fight: "This is the hip-hop culture on parade"
Media Matters ^ | November 24, 2004 | A. S.

Posted on 11/27/2004 8:54:40 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh said that a November 19 brawl that broke out during a National Basketball Association (NBA) game was "hip-hop culture on parade." Limbaugh asserted that the fight -- which involved Indiana Pacers team members and Detroit Pistons team members and fans -- was "gang behavior on parade minus the guns," and that NBA uniforms are "now in gang colors. They are in gang styles." In making the comments, Limbaugh conceded that his remarks were likely to be "tagged as racist." Limbaugh also appeared to compare the brawl to the unrest in Fallujah, Iraq, suggesting that Detroit be renamed "New Fallujah, Michigan."

Limbaugh delivered his remarks on the same day that he touted his receipt of the Winston Churchill Statesmanship Award from the conservative Claremont Institute. Previous award recipients include former President Ronald Reagan, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and National Review founder William F. Buckley Jr. San Diego Chargers owner Alex G. Spanos, who presented Limbaugh with the award, noted that it is given to "those who look up to the sky for the noble principles of justice, right and liberty."

From the November 22 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show:

    LIMBAUGH: There is something about this hip-hop culture business. I'm not going to mention the name because there's thousands of them, but I've been watching interviews with ex-NBA players and current NBA players. You know what the common theme that I'm hearing is? "Well, I'm not going to be dissed. I'm simply not going to be disrespected. Somebody disrespects me, they're going to pay for it." Meaning, "A fan disrespects me, that fan's going to pay for it," not just another player.

    And that comes right out of the hip-hop culture, and it's not just that. You look at NBA players and the uniforms, you don't have to go back very far. The uniforms have changed totally. They're now in gang colors. They are in gang styles.

    [...]

    But there's a reason this is happening. I'm not saying it's nothing to be concerned about. There's a reason. But I don't think anybody ought to be surprised, folks. I really don't think anybody ought to be surprised. This is the hip-hop culture on parade. This is gang behavior on parade minus the guns. That's the culture that the NBA has become. So if anybody will be honest with you about it in the NBA, and a very few will have the courage to, because saying what I just said is going to be tagged as racist, but I, my friends, am fearless when it comes to this because the truth will out, and that's what's happening here, and part and parcel of this gang culture, this hip-hop culture, is: "I'm not going to tolerate being dissed. I'm not going to be disrespected," and "disrespected" is now so broad that it includes somebody looking at you the wrong way.

    [...]

    CALLER: This is not a new thing with the Piston fans.

    LIMBAUGH: I know. That's why I say call it "New Fallujah, Michigan."



TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: hiphop; hiphopculture; nba; rush
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1 posted on 11/27/2004 8:54:40 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Rush might want to apply this to the NFL as well.


2 posted on 11/27/2004 8:58:26 AM PST by skip_intro
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Well put Rush!!!
It is why I stopped being a basketball fan over ten years ago -- the game is no longer respectable.


3 posted on 11/27/2004 9:00:27 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

As a fan, I'm not going to tolerate being dissed, either. So I've turned off the NBA for good. ;)


4 posted on 11/27/2004 9:00:39 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: skip_intro
"Rush might want to apply this to the NFL as well."

And college football, at least here in Florida. Bowden has had his share of gangstas and felons at FSU.

And baseball isn't that far behind.

Hit da ball ... get da check.

5 posted on 11/27/2004 9:03:10 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Many of these players have nothing to be respected for.


6 posted on 11/27/2004 9:09:51 AM PST by Libertina (We praise You Lord, You have granted America a Christian leader!)
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To: EagleUSA
It is why I stopped being a basketball fan over ten years ago...

When the federal government became obsessed about "Midnight Basketball" under the Clinton Administration, it insured that the game was on its way to being ghetto-ized. NBA and NFL games have become "Thug-Ball".

7 posted on 11/27/2004 9:11:08 AM PST by elbucko ( Feral Republican)
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To: EagleUSA

The NBA doesn't play what I call basketball. Ten steps a dribble and no passing or plays. Just showboat moves and they act like every basket is a home-run with a dance.

I like high school and college basketball. I'd say high school is the best. The kids play hard and do it while having fun. Go to your local school games and the heck with the NBA.


8 posted on 11/27/2004 9:11:51 AM PST by RicocheT
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

How many of our children look to these thugs for role modeling?


9 posted on 11/27/2004 9:13:25 AM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: G.Mason

Wait. Miami far outshadows FSU in that department in look and style. Bad first choice for Florida.


10 posted on 11/27/2004 9:15:27 AM PST by 101st-Eagle
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To: elbucko

Somehow, the subject of midnight baseball came up with a neighbor one day last week. She is from here in Arizona and I am from upstate NY.

She had no idea what I was talking about and had never even heard of such a thing.

I tried to explain to her what it was like driving on my way home late at night, past a large project and seeing 100 young inner city kids playing basketball on a lighted court at 12 am was like...it was creepy.


11 posted on 11/27/2004 9:15:30 AM PST by riri
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

BTTT


12 posted on 11/27/2004 9:16:23 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Sponsored by some mobile phone outfit whose trademark line is "Where You At?"


13 posted on 11/27/2004 9:16:28 AM PST by Lou L
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To: RicocheT

The NBA doesn't play what I call basketball.
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Yes, I think the modern day basketball game should go like this...give both sides 100 points, play for 5 minutes to determine the winner. It's over.


14 posted on 11/27/2004 9:17:08 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Is Media Matters running this as a way of pointing out all the awful, evil, inaccurate things said in the "Conservative Media"???
15 posted on 11/27/2004 9:18:35 AM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: G.Mason
What everyone thinks but is afraid to say - "We need an NBA that looks more like America".

Every argument the left makes for affirmative action could be applied to professional sports. Surely athletic ability is distributed equally among all ethnic groups. So if an ethnic group is not proportionally represented in a particular sport it must be caused by defacto institutional racism. It is not necessary to prove particular instances of racism. The end result is proof that it exists. We need outreach and special development programs for under-represented groups.

Finally, shouldn't Title IX apply to races as well as gender in school athletics? Shouldn't sports teams in high schools and colleges represent the student body in all respects?
16 posted on 11/27/2004 9:19:42 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: spodefly
Is Media Matters running this as a way of pointing out all the awful, evil, inaccurate things said in the "Conservative Media"???

Yup. That's all they do. To them, the only media in the entire nation are Fox News and radio talk shows.

I wonder how much longer Soros will fund them, now that Kerry's lost.

17 posted on 11/27/2004 9:21:01 AM PST by Dont Mention the War (W2: Coming January 20, 2005! Be There!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
While I agree that the NBA has deteriorated over the past couple of decades, calling it a gang mentality may be a bit of a stretch. Have the colors really changed over the years to reflect gang colors? I doubt it. It would be more accurate to call it a "selfish" or "entitled" mentality. You could probably more accurately apply the gang label to hockey, where fighting is essentially accepted.

Make no mistake. I am not defending the current NBA, they pretty much lost me in the early nineties, when it became clear the regular season meant nothing other than who gets seeded where in the playoffs, and players whose teams were down by thirty points put on chest-thumping celebrations after a dunk.

18 posted on 11/27/2004 9:32:20 AM PST by Randjuke
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To: EagleUSA

I am much of your opinion, Palming the ball seems to be normal, Double dribbling, walking even pushing and shoving are ignored, especially when its done by the higher priced players.


19 posted on 11/27/2004 9:32:29 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: RicocheT
I think there is way too much emphasis put on spectator sports in general in this nation, and professional sports in particular. I often draw incredulous looks when I say that if all professional sports in the world suddenly disappeared overnight, not only would it not affect me, but society in general would be improved. The only people truly affected would be those directly involved in sports...the players, coaches, merchandisers, and alas, all those friggin' sports "commentators" would be out of a job. Max Kellerman, Jim Rome, Tony Corn-hole, Chris Berman, et al would then be able to find employment more in line with their talent...like picking up dog crap in city parks.

Don't get me wrong...athletic activity is very important for everyone. Team sports can teach kids important vitally lessons, if only the dumba** parent would sit down, shut up and quit trying to relive their past "glory" through their kid's Pop Warner game. The problem is We the Increasingly Stupid American Sheeple have placed waaaaaaaay too much importance on entertainment...movies, music, sports, etc...and don't give a rat's patoot about things that do matter...like our wide open borders, the coming war with China, the country's steady march to the Left, etc.

Sorry 'bout the rant...I just argued this last night with a co-worker and am still pretty raw about it.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

20 posted on 11/27/2004 9:33:05 AM PST by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: 101st-Eagle
"Wait. Miami far outshadows FSU in that department in look and style. Bad first choice for Florida."

For all I know, as I don't follow the sport like when I was a "yout", all colleges have the same problem.

As I look around the country, seeing the various problems exhibited, I can't seem to shake the feeling that it is the "all about money" syndrome at the root.

People aren't satisfied with making a living and raising their children. They must make more money, be better that the Joneses, buy $200 sneakers for Johnny, etc. etc..

Is it any wonder that none are happy?

Of course we know there are thousands of good, decent, hard working parents, with good, decent, hard working kids doing well, but that story is not news to most.

21 posted on 11/27/2004 9:37:13 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Think of the recent fiasco at the Olympics. Did the US team(?) even win a medal. Easily the best talent, easily a disappointing team. I think this relates to the hip-hop culture.


22 posted on 11/27/2004 9:38:26 AM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: narses
How many of our children look to these thugs for role modeling?

I don't like the NBA for the way they've treated the great game of college basketball. And some of the shoe company marketing that goes with sport is ridiculous such as the Lebron James and Carmelo Anthony campaigns. But I wouldn't paint the whole NBA a league of thugs. There's some fine role models in there like David Robinson and A.C. Green in the recent past to Allan Houston and Dwight Howard right now.

23 posted on 11/27/2004 9:40:51 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The hammer and the nail come together again.


24 posted on 11/27/2004 9:40:54 AM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The worst thing about all of this is that kids really look up to these narcissistic thug a$$holes as role models. When they see that it is ok for them to act like thugs, it leaves an indelible impression on them.

Exit the gentlemen athletes like Nolan Ryan, Arthur Ashe and George Foreman (what is to hate about George???) and so many others and enter the thugs like Dennis Rodman and his band of criminals. This is why I don't watch professional sports (except for tennis) anymore.
25 posted on 11/27/2004 9:43:38 AM PST by SSG USA
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To: skip_intro
Only to an extent. There are three big differences in hockey and the NFL and the NBA:

1) Violence is SUPPOSED to be a part of the first two, not the latter. Hence, in the first two, players are protected from "non-sanctioned" violence. In fact, if you want to end NHL fights quickly, ban ANYONE who takes off a helmet or gloves. Otherwise, let 'em at it. They can't hurt each other.

2) "Gang" behavior is seen not at all in the NHL (for obvious reasons) and to a far lesser degree in the NFL. Teams like the Cowboys, Redskins, Colts, Chiefs, Chargers all retain quite traditional uniforms, especially with the tendency for "throwback" uniforms. Basketball, on the other hand, is emulating the gang styles as much as possible. Moreover, the scanty nature of the NBA uniforms encourages people to sport tatoos and weird hair styles. Aside from McQuarters, you see very few oddball hair jobs in the NFL---and even if they have them, they can't show them.

3) Far more than the NFL (and forget the NHL in this regard) pro basketball has built its marketing around the "don't dis me/in yo' face" hip-hop gansta appeal. I play a lot of the Playstation/X-box games, and they ALL feature this type of music and culture.

The zone helps with some of this, but eventually only very strict foul calling will restore the pro game to one of motion and passing, not back-downs and dunks.

26 posted on 11/27/2004 9:45:22 AM PST by LS
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To: G.Mason
You could probably tell I went to FSU, lol.

Ageed on the all-about-money syndrome. I think we should get around the sham of the "amateur" status junk and have these players paid livable stipends for all the money they help contribute to the universities.

As far as attitude, as long as we have a culture literally buying in to it, it won't change. God willing, we will see a change somewhere along the line in the whole of American society (election signaled a good start) where we hit critical mass with this crap and a new paradigm is ushered in.

27 posted on 11/27/2004 9:45:58 AM PST by 101st-Eagle
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To: BigBobber
"What everyone thinks but is afraid to say - "We need an NBA that looks more like America"..."

What we need is for people to stop buying tickets to these circuses.

Years ago I watched in dismay as my children became awe struck at wrestling on TV. They outgrew it.

I fought against the likes of Lawrence Taylor (NYG linebacker) because he was a druggie and influencing my children.

I won many of those battles, but not because of anything I said. It was because they were lucky and matured to the point of understanding.

Many of us are not so lucky.

28 posted on 11/27/2004 9:48:23 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Randjuke
No you are wrong: the uniforms have changed DRAMATICALLY from the short shorts of the 1970s to the baggy gansta look; and the ultra-bright colors and logos are different. Compare, for ex., the "rising sun" logo of the Phx. Suns in the 1970s with the "rising phoenix" logo today---it looks like something a biker or inmate would wear. Look at the black and purple of the Sacramento Kings, and the black socks that are so common.

Heck, just watch the home teams' "intro videos" that they play before every player introduction. It is total "gangsta" rapperism.

29 posted on 11/27/2004 9:48:57 AM PST by LS
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To: sgtbono2002

There is way too much of that: but if you want to see a team playing ball closer to how it should be played, watch the Phoenix Suns. They move the ball, score points, pass, and do not engage in "back-down" thugball.


30 posted on 11/27/2004 9:50:00 AM PST by LS
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

If the NBA is "hip-hop culture on parade," then the dumbest bags of rocks on the planet are those middle-aged white slobs who pay to watch these guys play.


31 posted on 11/27/2004 9:51:35 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: riri
Somehow, the subject of midnight baseball came up... seeing 100 young inner city kids playing basketball on a lighted court at 12 am was like...it was creepy.

The Clintons' are creepy. The Democrats cannot comprehend the fact that kids, any kids of any color or circumstance, should be home in bed by midnight.

32 posted on 11/27/2004 9:55:48 AM PST by elbucko ( Feral Republican)
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To: 101st-Eagle
"You could probably tell I went to FSU, lol."

Yep ... and I meant no slight.

" Ageed on the all-about-money syndrome. I think we should get around the sham of the "amateur" status junk and have these players paid livable stipends for all the money they help contribute to the universities."

I'm afraid I would have to think on that one for a good long while. Some pretty nasty repercussions may develop as a result.

" As far as attitude, as long as we have a culture literally buying in to it, it won't change. God willing, we will see a change somewhere along the line in the whole of American society (election signaled a good start) where we hit critical mass with this crap and a new paradigm is ushered in."

I really think you are on to something here. It will take a while, but the wheel will turn.

33 posted on 11/27/2004 9:56:12 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: wku man

I totally agree with you on the subject of professional sports. Too many people make "heroes" out of these single talent ball tossers.

I've come out in the past and said th same thing. Some freepers have jumped on me pretty hard however that will not change my distaste for bread and circuses.

Once posted that while growng up none of my four sons was allowed to watch any pro sports on TV if they expressed an interest I'd sign them up for little leauge or Pop Warner and go to their games and root for them.

Some folks came borderline to accusing me of abusing my kids because I actually made them play and get the exercise and benefits rather than taking up a space on the couch.


34 posted on 11/27/2004 9:56:56 AM PST by FRMAG
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To: EagleUSA
It is why I stopped being a basketball fan over ten years ago -- the game is no longer respectable.

In 54 years, I have only watched one BB game...

Reason: It's about as interesting as watching paint dry.

35 posted on 11/27/2004 10:02:16 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Rich criminals on parade. NOthing more. The sport isn't even entertaining to watch. I've gone to a number of Denver Nuggets games in the box seats and we usually watch hockey.


36 posted on 11/27/2004 10:02:27 AM PST by shellshocked
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To: Mr. Jeeves
"As a fan, I'm not going to tolerate being dissed, either. So I've turned off the NBA for good. ;)"

You got that right!

From now on, it's the NHL for me.

37 posted on 11/27/2004 10:03:05 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: LS

At the pro level, you have to have a higher IQ to play. What's going on, on the field is so complex the stupid but gifted get weeded out quickly.


38 posted on 11/27/2004 10:04:19 AM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: EagleUSA
Yes, I think the modern day basketball game should go like this...give both sides 100 points, play for 5 minutes to determine the winner. It's over.

Naaa. Flip a coin. "Heads we win, tails you lose." Game over.

39 posted on 11/27/2004 10:05:47 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Alberta's Child
"If the NBA is 'hip-hop culture on parade,' then the dumbest bags of rocks on the planet are those middle-aged white slobs who pay to watch these guys play."

An even bigger pile of dumb rocks are the voters who get their information from the MSM!
41 posted on 11/27/2004 10:10:26 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I don't know any of these players, so I'll gladly take your word. Now, if your son makes one of them a 'role model' or a 'hero', does he watch the games? Do the thugs play also? Is the ad driven media pouring ideas into the childs head that he otherwise wouldn't get?


42 posted on 11/27/2004 10:11:21 AM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

As for me, I'll just stick with NASCAR.


43 posted on 11/27/2004 10:12:31 AM PST by stbdside
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To: Alberta's Child
"If the NBA is 'hip-hop culture on parade,' then the dumbest bags of rocks on the planet are those middle-aged white slobs who pay to watch these guys play."

HA!!
Amen to that.

...someone had to say it. ;^)

44 posted on 11/27/2004 10:12:48 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

NBA commissioner David Stern is the biggest phony in sports. He goes before the public with his pious condemnations of whatever recent trouble his players have caused, and we're supposed to buy his line. But for the past couple decades, he has embraced the promotion of the tattoed gang culture throughout his league, willingly choosing to walk the fine line and hoping things don't get out of hand. The standard of play has been allowed to slip significantly to where it's become a schoolyard slam dunk contest, and to where Europeans now kick our ass in international competition. A solid Bobby Knight-type coach with a group of undrafted but solid college players would win the NBA title. What passes for 'talent' in the NBA is comical. The league is a joke.


45 posted on 11/27/2004 10:14:17 AM PST by raptor29
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To: FreedomSurge
Think of the recent fiasco at the Olympics. Did the US team(?) even win a medal. Easily the best talent, easily a disappointing team. I think this relates to the hip-hop culture.

I think that you underrate the 'talent' of the European players. Why is it that we consider a big man that posesses an accurate jumper from the perimeter (think Larry Byrd) as remarkable here in the States. The Europeans Leagues are loaded with them.

The problem with the NBA is that the courts have destroyed the feeder system. The really good high school talent is already looking at the NBA, either directly or after getting a cup of coffee in college. They are missing 3 - 4 years of development.

46 posted on 11/27/2004 10:14:38 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: FRMAG
Yep. It's not that I (and you, too evidently) don't like sports, it's that we put them in perspective. I love Kentucky Wildcats basketball, Tampa Bay Buccaneers football, and I'm going to an Idaho Steelheads game tonight (though I didn't buy the tickets...the best way to see a game!). But if I watch a Bucs game , or visit the UK website to read up on this year's lineup, it's a diversion, plain and simple.

Far too many American Sheeple live for sports, or movies, or "reality" TV, or music, or whatever. They then give you a look of "what's a Ukraine" when you try to engage them in an intelligent conversation. The young people I work with were all aflutter over the Pacers-Pistons embarrassment, watching the replay on ESPN over and over, cheering every punch Artest landed. When they made the mistake of asking me what I thought about it, I told them it was disgraceful that some of the best paid people in the nation were such babies. That made their jaws drop. Then when I asked if any of them knew about reports that Border Patrol agents are catching more and more Middle Easterners crossing the border illegally, they gave me the "what's a border...is it near Taco Bell?" look. Sad, pathetic.

We've created a mess, and it's going to bite us in the a** in any number of ways in the not too distant future, I'm afraid.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

47 posted on 11/27/2004 10:16:40 AM PST by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: Tallguy

"I think you underrate the 'talent' of the European players."

Amen to that. Amazing that the ability to shoot the ball is not considered talent. I've often contended that NBA players are the most overrated athletes in the world. The range of skills they possess is incredibly limited. They can jump. Whoop dee doo. Hell, their major "skill" is being tall.


48 posted on 11/27/2004 10:19:15 AM PST by raptor29
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To: wku man

A Kentucky Wildcat fan! I'm one of those rarities, a Tennessee Vol fan who likes basketball a lot more than football. You guys are going to be tough when Tubby gets the new guys up to speed around mid-late Jan. As for us, Lofton, CJ and Scooter will shoot us to a few wins, but I'm begining to lose confidence in Buzz.


49 posted on 11/27/2004 10:23:36 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: robertpaulsen
"From now on, it's the NHL for me."

Wow...being as how those squabbling crybabies are on strike, this really isn't your year for sports, is it?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

50 posted on 11/27/2004 10:24:16 AM PST by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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