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Rewriting the French Revolution
NewsMax ^ | 11/25/04 | Miguel A. Faria Jr., M.D.

Posted on 11/25/2004 7:05:48 PM PST by wagglebee

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The French Revolution was nothing more than a rudimentary form of communism and it's dismal failure still haunts France more than two centuries later.
1 posted on 11/25/2004 7:05:48 PM PST by wagglebee
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During the French Revolution, there was the Reign of Terror by Maximillian Robespierre. Many people were guillotined in a witchhunt. He too would get the guillotine.


2 posted on 11/25/2004 7:10:00 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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If you look closely, the French Revolution was a war on Christianity as much as anything. France has essentially been an anti-religious country for 200 years. As such, they have consistently lacked the moral clarity to make a stand against evil in the world, this is especially clear in their attitude toward Hitler and now toward Islamo-fascism.


3 posted on 11/25/2004 7:16:12 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: Ptarmigan

http://chemistry.mtu.edu/~pcharles/SCIHISTORY/Lavoisier.html

Heck, they even guillotined the founder of modern chemistry.
How offensive can a geeky chemist be?


Just about as hideous as the persecution and death of the plant geneticist Vavilov
under the Soviets.
(But the Soviets paid...with millions of them starved or under-nourished due to
listening to the "politically correct" Lysenko)


4 posted on 11/25/2004 7:19:39 PM PST by VOA
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To: wagglebee

It was nothing but a Colonial-era L.A. riots from 1992. Anyone who made a decent living was murdered.

It's exactly what certain people in this country will do if they ever get the chance.


5 posted on 11/25/2004 7:22:52 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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If you look closely, the French Revolution was a war on Christianity as
much as anything.


That surely got "short shrift" when I was taking World History in high school.
I was fairly shocked when I later read about the revolutionaries locking
priests and nuns into barges and then sinking the barges.

I think I've heard Michael Medved comment that the American Revolution was to
establish a system where EVERYONE (from top executive on down) was subject to
laws/rules imposed by Providence/G-d/Supreme Being.
And in contrast, the French Revolution was about erasing G-d from the public
commons.
6 posted on 11/25/2004 7:22:58 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

They viewed the Church as an extension of the monarchy, this was basically true of the top bishops, but they essentially eliminated religion from the French culture.


7 posted on 11/25/2004 7:26:03 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: SteveMcKing
It's exactly what certain people in this country will do if they ever get the chance.

It's basically what fatass Michael Moore suggests every time he opens his mouth; maybe not murdering the wealthy, but confiscating their money (except, of course, the like-minded wealthy leftists).

8 posted on 11/25/2004 7:27:51 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee

They already do it through the government. I'd actually rather they break into my house and try to steal 1/3 of my posessions that way. At least I'd have a right to shoot them in the act, although that right is subject to restrictions imposed by the very same democrats.


9 posted on 11/25/2004 7:34:37 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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The French had problems the US didn't in our revolution.

1) Class Hatred. The smart, rich and attractive people were so hated that they couldn't lead anyone and generally ended up being guillotined.

2) Economic Desperation. Les Miserables is not entirely leftist propaganda. There was a pathetic socio-economic situation in Paris, Marseilles and other French cities.

The US colonies had their problems, but not as bad as France in the late 18th and early nineteenth centuries.
10 posted on 11/25/2004 7:34:38 PM PST by .cnI redruM (Idiots so love to bury a god. - Charles Buckowski)
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To: wagglebee
Also see:

Fire in the Minds of Men: Origins of the Revolutionary Faith

11 posted on 11/25/2004 7:41:12 PM PST by spycatcher
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About the only thing the french are any good at is rewriting their sordid history. They managed to cast themselves as our allies during WWII, even though the majority of them sympathized with the Nazis and did all they could to undermine the efforts of our GIs, up to and including taking up arms against them. How they managed to convince our leaders they were our "friends" is something I have never understood, given their proven record of treachery, double-dealing and collaboration with our enemies.


12 posted on 11/25/2004 7:42:19 PM PST by CFC__VRWC (It's not evidence of wrongdoing just because Democrats don't like the outcome.)
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And most of the members of the French Resistance were not sympathetic to America and Britian, they simply preferred Stalin and communism to Hitler and national socialism.


13 posted on 11/25/2004 7:45:03 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: .cnI redruM

"The French had problems the US didn't in our revolution.

1) Class Hatred. The smart, rich and attractive people were so hated that they couldn't lead anyone and generally ended up being guillotined.

2) Economic Desperation. Les Miserables is not entirely leftist propaganda. There was a pathetic socio-economic situation in Paris, Marseilles and other French cities."

My reply follows.

1) Studies have determined that it was the smart, rich, and attractive people in the middle class who revolted. The inherited aristocracy and the Church neither of which had minimal qualifications other than blood lines, all the power, most property, and no taxes ended up being guillotined.

2) Les Miserables was written about the uprising in 1848 not the French Revolution initiated in1789.


14 posted on 11/25/2004 8:16:42 PM PST by Whispering Smith
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To: wagglebee; VOA

The French Revolutionaries stole the property of the church and crowned a prostitute on the altar of Notre Dame and worshipped her as the goddess of "reason."


15 posted on 11/25/2004 8:19:49 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: wagglebee
Now HERE was a Frenchman (The Hammer)


16 posted on 11/25/2004 8:27:08 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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Class Hatred. The smart, rich and attractive people were so hated that they couldn't lead anyone and generally ended up being guillotined.

The upper crust in France was an evil empire if ever there was one.

17 posted on 11/25/2004 8:28:55 PM PST by Podkayne (AA)
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The PCF (Communist Party) encouraged desertion and sabotage against the French war effort before the Battle of France. For a period of time, their newspaper was allowed to print under Nazi occupation.

They got into the resistance game only because of Barbarossa and dominated it. They truly were more beholden to Stalin and his Comintern/Cominform.


18 posted on 11/25/2004 8:30:22 PM PST by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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" America and Europe have likened the French and American Revolutions"

NO WAY!

The Anatomy of Revolution by CRANE BRINTON "

19 posted on 11/25/2004 8:33:17 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sometimes, the French like to forget about the Carmelite Nuns that became victims of the French Enlightenment. Just a reminder in case any of the French elitists are lurking.

Lest We forget, This is from the website: http://www.oksister.com/Saints/carmelite_martyrs_of_compiegne.htm

Carmelite Saints


Carmelite Martyrs of Compiegn

Memorial: July 17



Also known as: Sixteen Blessed Teresian Martyrs of Compiègne
Memorial: 17 July


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They are:

Anne-Marie-Madeleine Thouret

Anne Petras

Marie-Geneviève Meunier

Rose-Chrétien de la Neuville

Euphrasia of the Immaculate Conception; aka Marie Claude Cyprienne Brard, or Catherine Charlotte Brard; born 1736 at Bourth, and professed in 1757

Madeleine-Claudine Ledoine (Mother Teresa of St. Augustine), prioress, b. in Paris, 22 Sept., 1752, professed 16 or 17 May, 1775

Marie-Anne (or Antoinette) Brideau (Mother St. Louis), sub-prioress, b. at Belfort, 7 Dec., 1752, professed 3 Sept, 1771

Marie-Anne Piedcourt (Sister of Jesus Crucified), choir-nun, b. 1715, professed 1737; on mounting the scaffold she said "I forgive you as heartily as I wish God to forgive me"

Marie-Antoniette or Anne Hanisset (Sister Teresa of the Holy Heart of Mary), b. at Rheims in 1740 or 1742, professed in 1764

Marie-Françoise Gabrielle de Croissy (Mother Henriette of Jesus), b. in Paris, 18 June, 1745, professed 22 Feb., 1764, prioress from 1779 to 1785

Marie-Gabrielle Trézel (Sister Teresa of St. Ignatius), choir-nun, b. at Compiègne, 4 April, 1743, professed 12 Dec., 1771

There were also three lay sisters:

Angélique Roussel (Sister Mary of the Holy Ghost), lay sister, b. at Fresnes, 4 August, 1742, professed 14 May, 1769

Julie or Juliette Vérolot (Sister Saint Francis Xavier), lay sister, b. at Laignes or Lignières, 11 Jan., 1764, professed 12 Jan., 1789

Marie Dufour (Sister Saint Martha), lay sister, b. at Beaune, 1 or 2 Oct., 1742, entered the community in 1772

and two tourières, who were not Carmelites at all but servants at the nunnery:


Catherine Soiron, born 2 February 1742 at Compiègne

Teresa Soiron, born 23 January 1748 at Compiègne

both of whom had been in the service of the community since 1772.

These sixteen are the first martyrs of the French Revolution that have been recognized.


Died: guillotined on 17 July 1794 at the Place du Trône Renversé (modern Place de la Nation) in Paris, France Before their execution they knelt and chanted the "Veni Creator", as at a profession, after which they all renewed aloud their baptismal and religious vows. The heads and bodies of the martyrs were interred in a deep sand-pit about thirty feet square in a cemetery at Picpus. As this sand-pit was the receptacle of the bodies of 1298 victims of the Revolution, there seems to be no hope of their relics being recovered. Five secondary relics are in the possession of the Benedictines of Stanbrook, Worcestershire.


Beatified: 27 May 1906 by Pope Pius X. The miracles proved during the process of beatification were:

The cure of Sister Clare of Saint Joseph, a Carmelite lay sister of New Orleans, when on the point of death from cancer, in June 1897

The cure of the Abbé Roussarie, of the seminary at Brive, when at the point of death, 7 March 1897

The cure of Sister Saint Martha of Saint Joseph, a Carmelite lay Sister of Vans, of tuberculosis and an abcess in the right leg, 1 December 1897.

The cure of Sister Saint Michael, a Franciscan of Montmorillon, 9 April 1898.


20 posted on 11/25/2004 8:47:33 PM PST by Seniram US (Quote of the Day: Smile You're An American)
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