Terrorists Chemical Weapons Lab Found in Fallujah

scotsman.com ^ | November 25, 2004

[AmericanMade1776]

Iraqi troops, searching terrorist hideouts in Fallujah, discovered a chemical weapons laboratory with manuals on manufacturing explosives and toxins – including anthrax.

National security adviser Qassem Dawoud said National Guard troops “found a chemical laboratory that was used to prepare deadly explosives and poisons.”

He said the lab was in a district where pockets of fighters are still holding out following the US led assault on the city.

“We also found in the laboratory manuals and instructions spelling out procedures for making explosives,” Dawoud said. “They also spoke about making anthrax.”

Dawoud showed pictures of a shelf containing what he said were various chemicals.

The US military said it discovered the “largest weapons cache to date in Fallujah.”

The weapons – including anti-tank mines and a mobile bomb-making lab – were found inside a mosque used by an insurgent leader. Troops also found documents detailing hostage interrogations, the military said.

They were in the Saad Abi Bin Waqas Mosque where Sunni rebel leader and imam Abdullah al-Janabi often spoke, the US military said.

Marine officers said they so far have found enough weapons in Fallujah to refuel a nationwide rebellion.

Troops also found what may be a mobile bomb-making factory housed in a truck, as well as mortar systems, rocket-propelled grenades, launchers, recoilless rifles and parts of surface-to-air weapons systems.

The troops also found “documents that detailed insurgent interrogations of recent kidnap victims,” the marines said.

US and Iraqi troops continue to sweep the city amid sporadic gun battles with rebel fighters.

[AmericanMade1776]

In this photo released by the Iraqi government, sacks of chemicals are seen after Iraqi troops searching suspected terrorist hideouts in Fallujah discovered a laboratory with manuals manufacturing explosives and toxins including anthrax, Iraq (news - web sites)'s national security adviser Qassem Dawoud said Thursday, Nov. 25, 2004.(AP Photo/Iraqi Gorvernment)

[AmericanMade1776]

In this photo released by the Iraqi government, chemicals are seen after Iraqi troops searching suspected terrorist hideouts in Fallujah discovered a laboratory with manuals manufacturing explosives and toxins including anthrax, Iraq (news - web sites)'s national security adviser Qassem Dawoud said Thursday, Nov. 25, 2004.(AP Photo/Iraqi Gorvernment)

[MizSterious]

My question--is this lab recently set up, or is it left over from the Saddam regime? We know he liked to hide these kinds of things in places like backyards and gardens.

[wildcatf4f3]

religion of peace alert

[AmericanMade1776]

A lieutenant of Iraq’s most feared terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been captured in Mosul, Dawoud said

He named him as Abu Saeed, but he gave no further details.

Al-Zarqawi, whose al-Qaida-linked group has been responsible for numerous car bombings and beheadings of foreign hostages, including three Americans and Briton Ken Bigley, was believed to have been based in Fallujah. But the Jordanian-born extremist managed to escape the siege.

The United States has offered a €18.5m reward for al-Zarqawi’s capture - the same amount being offered for Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri.
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=8169094&p=8y69y4x&n=8169182

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!The liberal mainstream media have already declared Iraq free of any and all weapons of mass destruction. Plus they never had any of the WMDs that they used on their own people.... These new reports are lying!!! /sarcasm

[DaBroasta]

religion of peace alert

How about a 'No weapons of mass destruction' alert also?

[JaguarXKE]

There's nothing to see here. Move along!

[AmericanMade1776]

The Liberal Media are already thinking of ways to spin this story, and ways to cover it up with lesser stories.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

ABC radio "news" reported this and the "news" reader added, "Again, all of this is unconfirmed."

How will we know when it is confirmed? ABC radio "news" will stop talking about it.

[Dark Knight]

Those pictures look more like a portable meth lab, than a real lab. Very dangerous conditions to work in and not a healthy place at all.

And easily transported and hard to spot.

DK

[GSlob]

The primitive lab for weapon-related activities would not be located in a city neighborhood (unless the neighborhood is suicidal - think spills and fume hood emissions). Alternatively, the lab would have to be equipped with exhaust fume hoods and glove boxes - both equipped with scrubbers.
This kind of equipment, necessary to protect those working in the lab and their immediate neighbors, would be much more in the nature of evidence as to the lab activities than a photo of shelf full of chemicals with illegible labels.

[bikerman]

But,But thats impossible Dan Blather said their were no WMDs

[garbanzo]

This kind of equipment, necessary to protect those working in the lab and their immediate neighbors, would be much more in the nature of evidence as to the lab activities than a photo of shelf full of chemicals with illegible labels.

They're terrorists...I'm pretty sure their MSDSs are not in order either.

[GSlob]

It does not matter that much on what pretext and with what label (terrorist or not) they are removed from circulation - the fewer of them the better for the rest of us; but the presence of, say, nerve gas lab is another matter, and does matter very much, in terms of protecting our boys there. What I was saying is that the photo does not look like that of nerve gas lab [and I'm a chemist with 30yrs professional experience in the field].

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

The Liberal Media are already thinking of ways to spin this story, and ways to cover it up with lesser stories.

CNN is off to a good start. Headline: "Iraqi forces find chemical materials in lab"

Yup... forces found a few "chemical materials" in a lab. Nothing important. Just material. Not worth reading about the details...

[garbanzo]

What I was saying is that the photo does not look like that of nerve gas lab

My point was that terrorists probably don't adhere to occupational safety training guidelines and it wouldn't look like a "real" chemical lab even if it was.

[GSlob]

"...terrorists probably don't adhere to occupational safety training guidelines"
They would have to be the space aliens or sci-fi resistant mutants, for earthly life forms (even cockroaches) share cholinesterase biochemistry of nerve signal transmission and are sensitive to anticholinesteratics. Regular suicides would not do, as the distillative isolation of nerve gas would kill a person trying to do it without the protective equipment (if he is not killed on previous step during the reflux of chlorophosphorus compounds with potassium fluoride to make fluorophosphates). The second suicide trying to take over from the first would do himself in by the time of charging the munitions with prepared nerve gas, if not earlier.

[Trident/Delta]

The primitive lab for weapon-related activities would not be located in a city neighborhood (unless the neighborhood is suicidal - think spills and fume hood emissions). Alternatively, the lab would have to be equipped with exhaust fume hoods and glove boxes - both equipped with scrubbers. This kind of equipment, necessary to protect those working in the lab and their immediate neighbors, would be much more in the nature of evidence as to the lab activities than a photo of shelf full of chemicals with illegible labels.

You have abolutely NO idea about the motivations of these guys. They care NOTHING for the people in the neighborhoods et.al. This is an underground lab. Scrubbers....Jeez, I guess you think they get inspected for hazardous conditions or something....

Semper Intolerant

[Trident/Delta]

[and I'm a chemist with 30yrs professional experience in the field].

good thing, as an intelligence analyst, you suck!

Semper Unimpressed

[GSlob]

pls see post #19 on this thread

[Trident/Delta]

Yeah, makes it all better. You still don't understand, do you?..

Semper Disgusted

[Trident/Delta]

Just out of abject curiosity, can you point to exactly WHERE in the above listed article there is even an obtuse reference to nerve agents????? Hmmmm?????

(crickets..)

The article DOES say poisons amd explosives. No reference to nerve agents....

In the words of the "Church Lady....." "Never mind...."

Semper Disgusted

[GSlob]

If they were cooking meth or trying to make conventional explosives (and who would need THAT in Falluja?)- more power to them, it would keep them in the lab and off the street for a while. The only dangerous labs would be bioweapons or nerve gas labs; what was shown on that photo does not look like either. IF it were such a lab, much more convincing photos of specialized equipment would be produced - but were not. Hence one should be skeptical about the claims.

[ChefKeith]

1) Remember that we are dealing with terrorists willing to die for "the cause" so what if they kill themselves cooking a a quick batch of whatever.

2) Maybe this is what they left behind. And took the Bio-suits and portable scrubbers with them as well as the bulk of the raw chems. (after all they had PLENTY of warning that We were coming)

3) Do You really think that they cared if the neighbors died in an accident?

[ChefKeith]

I'm pretty sure their MSDSs are not in order either.

ROFLMAO!!!

[Bullish]

Thank God we took out Fallujah when we did. while there was still time to avoid a particularly nasty chemical attack from the religion of peace.

[Terriergal]

Terrorists Chemical Weapons Lab Found in Fallujah

Aw, no kidding!

I saw this on the scroller on FOX this morning. Surprise surprise. NO evidence of WMD's.

The truth shall set you free....

[Terriergal]

http://www.malvern.jp/images/blinded.jpg

MSM: "We have not seen any evidence of WMD's in Iraq!"

[texasflower]

Gslob, I am in agreement with Trident/Delta.

You are hung up on nerve gas and the article doesn't have a single word about nerve gas.

They found chemicals and manuals. Including instructions for anthrax.

I think your posts were intended to impress us that you are a chemist. Big deal.

I'm not a chemist and I know that nerve gas is not the only dangerous chemical around. I am a paramedic with 23 years on the streets. Not ONE of my chemical exposure patients was exposed to nerve gas, but LOTS and LOTS of them were desperately ill and some died.

Unless you read arabic and have access to the test results of the chemicals that are there, you have no way of knowing that those chemicals couldn't hurt our troops or poison a water supply or any number of ill effects.

Anthrax is a bio weapon anyway. As T/D said in a later post, we have no idea of what equipment they DID take with them.

Consider me to be disgusted also.