Posted on 11/24/2004 9:25:38 AM PST by wallcrawlr
Put a possessed individual in front of a traditionally blessed Eucharist and watch what happens.
If an individual is truly affected by evil he cannot remain in the presence of the Holy. Some homosexuals may fall into this category, some are merely sinners in need of repentance.
If the pastor is bringing divine grace into his parish on a regular basis it will be evident in the fruits of the parish and the individuals. Chaos is not a fruit. Neither is willful violation of Church teaching (like giving Communion to those publicly advocating sin). If the pastor cannot be trusted to abide by Church teachings, his entire priesthood is open to examination.
Nice post.
You bring up an interesting but puzzling paradox. Possessed people are repelled by the sight and touch of a consecrated Eucharist. Yet, Satanists are able to touch and defile consecrated Eucharists. I suspect some metaphysical influences to enable them to perform the latter?
You are a sly one, you are. Slipping that "traditionally" in there, which is meant to infer that the Eucharist in a Novus Ordo Church will cause a possessed person to dance a jig, I guess.
And, the Eucharist is not "blessed"; it is "consecrated."
You have some serious issues which need addressing.
I can depend on a traditional consecration. I cannot rely on a Novus Ordo consecration which may or may not transubstantiate. In the event it does, it most obviously DOES NOT create the same state of grace in individuals and the Church.
Look at the state of the Church today. There are no good fruits. The Holy Spirit is with the traditional movement which is growing rapidly. The Novus Ordo is self-destructing.
You drink the schismatic kool-aid by the gallon, don't you?
You have done as much to poison the religion forum as I or anyone else around here has.
It's a pity. You're not a dumb woman.
You probably feel sorry for the guy in the Piston's jersey that ran onto the court and got decked in the face by Ron Artest. Poor soul din't deserve that.
Michael Bayly, coordinator of the Catholic Pastoral Committee on Sexual Minorities (CPCSM), an advocacy group for gays and lesbians, said such fringe groups perceive gays and lesbians who take communion as evil.
No, I'm not stupid.
That fact should reinforce many of my points.
I may be harsh. I may not be all sweetness, giggles and light, but I wholeheartedly believe in everything I say and do. We can't deny the truth simply because it offends someone.
Drunk fans and thuggish ball players.
Somebody ought to put a fence around the NBA and call it a zoo.
Denying the validity of the Novus Ordo Eucharist is not the truth, Deborah. And you damned well know it.
If you don't, then you're not so smart, after all.
And everybody knows they are Innocents, right?
The Truth is divisive. As I recall, Christ didn't initiate "dialogue" with the money changers in the temple in an attempt to be "inclusive", so that they could maintain self-esteem until they saw the errors of their ways. Yes, Christ has an infinite capacity for forgiveness, but always with the admonition to go and sin no more.
Ping.
That post was excellent. It makes me want to be mass right now, but I'll have to wait until tomorrow morning.
And, the Eucharist is not "blessed"; it is "consecrated."
Maybe........depends upon what priest is saying the mass, the validity of his ordination, the use of a valid rite of the mass, and the proper intention of the priest to confect the sacrament.
Without all of those elements, it's just a cookie!
"I suspect some metaphysical influences to enable them to perform the latter?"
In reference of the ability of Satanists to touch and violate the consecrated host in a Black Mass - rather then running screaming from the room - yes. But to try to toroughly explain that would involve the writing of a mini-series! Suffice to say that a true Satanist believes in God, in Christ, and believes that the consecrated Host is literally Christ. But here we are referring to high level Satanists, who have sold thier souls, and in some cases willingly invited possession in order to acquire and acheive greater spiritual/demonic power.
I am not referring to teenagers plugged into Ozzie Osbourne who sacrifice a cat or a sheep to get sexual prowness.
No - Judas left the first mass early. He did not partake in the Eucharist.
Whenever your ready my friend:
http://www.truecatholic.org/pope/
http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/
http://www.rosary-center.org/nconobl.htm#prom
First of all, I did not deny the validity of the Novus Ordo consecration. That is a complicated matter. I questioned whether a transubstantiation occurs every time, and whether a validly confected Eucharist bestows as many graces as a traditional consecration.
Second, you are not the judge of truth. Whether someone believes it to be valid or not is a matter of opinion frequently based on personal study. Last time I checked, we all have God given free will and mental capabilities. Just because someone disagrees with you does not automatically make them wrong. It would be wise of you to cease villifying every person who holds an opinion different from yours.
For the record, the above statement was not mine but belonged to the person to whom I was replying.
He's a friggin' parody. When I first read about him, I swore he was part of a travelling show, like "Patent leather shoes always reflect up."
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