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Israel Defence Forces Born in Battle; The existemnt of the Jewish State.
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Posted on 11/19/2004 12:12:46 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot

Hello and Shalom,

I was wondering what do the American poeple think about the IDF.

You are now going to read the general information about teh IDF that I am posting here, and I am also going to post about two of the 5 Israeli-Arab wars; The War of Independence and the Six Days War. Therefore I must be honest and say that this is a long reading passege, and I hope you enjoy reading and find it interesting, as also I hope it will increase a lot your knowladge about Israel and the IDF. I will be glad if after you finish reading, you will write your opinion obout the IDF. Thanks.

General information:

The IDF, founded in 1948, ranks among the most battle-trained armed forces in the world, having had to defend the country in five major wars. Currently, the IDF's security objectives are to defend the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the State of Israel, deter all enemies and curb all forms of terrorism which threaten daily life. Its main tasks include reinforcing the peace arrangements; ensuring overall security in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in coordination with the Palestinian Authority; spearheading the war against terrorism, both inside Israel and across its borders; and maintaining a deterrent capability to prevent the outbreak of hostilities.

To ensure its success, the IDF's doctrine at the strategic level is defensive, while its tactics are offensive. Given the country's lack of territorial depth, the IDF must take initiative when deemed necessary and, if attacked, to quickly transfer the battleground to the enemy's land. Though it has always been outnumbered by its enemies, the IDF maintains a qualitative advantage by deploying advanced weapons systems, many of which are developed and manufactured in Israel for its specific needs. The IDF's main resource, however, is the high calibre of its soldiers.

In preparing for defense, the IDF deploys a small standing army (made up of conscripts and career personnel) with early warning capability, and a regular air force and navy. The majority of its forces are reservists, who are called up regularly for training and service and who, in time of war or crisis, are quickly mobilized into their units from all parts of the country.

The IDF's three service branches (ground forces, air force and navy) function under a unified command, headed by the chief-of-staff, with the rank of lieutenant-general, who is responsible to the minister of defense. The chief-of staff is appointed by the government, on recommendation of the prime minister and minister of defense, for a three-year term, which is usually extended for an additional year.

Except when combat duty is involved, men and women soldiers of all ranks serve side by side as technicians, communications and intelligence specialists, combat instructors, cartographers, administrative and ordnance personnel, computer operators, doctors, lawyers and the like.

The IDF is responsive to the cultural and social needs of its soldiers, providing recreational and educational activities, as well as personal support services. Recruits with incomplete educational backgrounds are given opportunities to upgrade their level of education, and career officers are encouraged to study at the IDF's expense during their service. The integration of new immigrant soldiers is facilitated through special Hebrew language instruction and other programs. Active in nation-building enterprises since its inception, the IDF also provides remedial and supplementary education to civilian populations and contributes to the absorption of newcomers among the population at large. In times of national crisis or emergency, the IDF responds immediately with appropriate action and assigns trained personnel to fill essential jobs or carry out special tasks.

Terms of Service in the IDF

Compulsory Service: All eligible men and women are drafted at age 18. Men serve for three years, women for 21 months. Deferments may be granted to qualified students at institutions of higher education. New immigrants may be deferred or serve for shorter periods of time, depending on their age and personal status on entering the country.

Reserve Duty: Upon completion of compulsory service, each soldier is assigned to a reserve unit. Men up to age 51 serve up to 39 days a year, a period of time which can be extended in times of emergency.

Career Military Service: Veterans of compulsory service meeting current IDF needs may sign up as career officers or NCOs. The career service constitutes the command and administrative backbone of the IDF. Graduates of officers' or pilots' schools or special military technical schools are required to sign on for periods of career service.

Born in battle; 1948 War of Independence.

On May 15, 1948, the day the British Mandate over Palestine ended, the armies of five neighboring Arab states invaded the new State of Israel, which had declared its independence the previous day. The invasion, heralded by an Egyptian air attack on Tel Aviv, was vigorously resisted. From the north, east and south came the armies of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt.

The invading forces were fully equipped with the standard weapons of a regular army of the time - artillery, tanks, armored cars and personnel carriers, in addition to machine guns, mortars and the usual small arms in great quantities, and full supplies of ammunition, oil, and gasoline. Further, Egypt, Iraq, and Syria had air forces. As sovereign states, they had no difficulty (as had the pre-state Jewish defense force) in securing whatever armaments they needed through normal channels from Britain and other friendly powers.

In contrast, the Jews had no matching artillery, no tanks, and no warplanes in the first days of the war. Some supplies of these weapons arrived in the days that followed, however, and turned the tide. Little more than small arms - in paucity- had been available to the Haganah which on May 28, 1948 was to merge with other Jewish defense groups to form the Israel Defense Forces.

Two Jewish defense forces, the Irgun Zeva'i Le'ummi and the Lohamei Herut Israel agreed to cease their independent activities, (except in Jerusalem) and to absorb their members into the newly founded IDF. Invaded from all directions, Israel had to cope with the outbreak of a thousand fires, and to do so with limited means. Numerous settlement outposts in the Galilee and the Negev were isolated, open on all sides to Arab attack, and had to rely on their own perseverance and meager armories to stave off defeat.

The hastily mobilized army had to engage in offensive action to remove the enemy from key positions, block the advance of their columns, and rush to seal gaps in Israel's defenses.

The Six Days War:

Born in battle part II.

Introduction

The Six Day War broke out on June 5, 1967, following three weeks of tension which began on May 15, 1967 when it became known that Egypt had concentrated large-scale forces in the Sinai peninsula. Egypt's force buildup in the Sinai was accompanied by other serious steps: the United Nations Emergency Force stationed on the border between Egypt and Israel and Sharm el-Sheikh in 1957 and which had provided an actual separation between the countries was evacuated on May 19 upon the demands of the Egyptian president at the time, Gamal Abdel-Nasser; the Egyptian navy blocked the Straits of Tiran, located at the end of the Gulf of Eilat, on the night of May 22-23, 1967, preventing the passage of any Israeli vessels; and on May 30, 1967, Jordan joined the Egyptian-Syrian military alliance of 1966 and placed its army on both sides of the Jordan river under Egyptian command. Iraq followed suit. It agreed to send reinforcement and issued a warning order to two brigades: Contingents arrived from other Arab countries including Algeria and Kuwait. Israel was confronted by an Arab force of some 465,000 troops, over 2,880 tanks and 810 aircraft.

In this way, a direct threat along the whole length of Israel's territory was created. The Egyptian Army was deployed in the Sinai, the straits were closed signaling the failure of Israeli deterrence, and Jordan joined the military alliance closing the circle of the states threatening Israel?s borders. As the situation deteriorated, Israel increased its reserve forces call-up which had already been underway and established a National Unity government which included representatives of the opposition parties at that time. Moshe Dayan was appointed Minister of Defense. Though the Government of Israel viewed the closing of the straits as a belligerent act and a warning bell, the government tried to solve the crisis through political channels. The government of Israel approached the Great Powers who had guaranteed the freedom of Israeli navigation. Britain and France reneged on their commitment and the President of the United States proposed a plan for breaking the blockade by an international armada. Israel agreed to wait and give the plan a chance and Prime Minister Eshkol announced his Government?s intentions in a radio broadcast on 28 May. Israel?s decision to wait was taken despite the fact that it was well aware that the main threat had now become the Egyptian deployment in the Sinai and not the closing of the straits. When it became clear later that the political demarches had failed, the Government, on June 4 gave approval to the Israel Defense Forces to undertake military offensive to eliminate the threat to Israel?s existence.

This dramatic development was the height of continued deterioration in the relations between Israel and her neighbors. The state of war that had existed since 1948 was already intensified between 1964-67 with the increase in the number of dangerous incidents on the Syrian border following Israel?s activation of the National Water Carrier from the Sea of Galilee to the Negev in 1964. This tension came against the backdrop of Syrian attacks on Israeli farmers cultivating land in the demilitarized zone and on Israeli fishing boats and other craft in the Sea of Galilee. The Arabs opposed the National Water Carrier project and tried to destroy it by diverting the subsidiaries of the Jordan river located in their territories. In addition, at the start of 1965 Palestinian terrorist organizations, under the patronage of both Syria and Egypt, began to operate against Israeli settlements. Their attacks led to Israeli military reprisals against their bases located in neighboring countries. The Arabs were strengthened in their stand by the consistent support of the USSR, through both the supply of weapons and military advisers and through political support in the framework of the cold war between the East and West. It was the Soviets who spread the false report in 1967 that Israel had concentrated large forces on the border with Syria in preparation to attack, after the Syrians had already "heated up" the border area. This fraudulent report was the declared reason for the concentration of Egyptian forces in Sinai, in confirmation with the military alliance between Egypt and Syria. This concentration of forces gradually led the Arabs to believe that an opportunity had been created to realize their 19-year aspiration to destroy Israel. In the light of this development, Israel had no choice but to preempt.

The War in the Air

The Six-Day War started with a far-reaching air attack, code named Moked, to shatter the Arab air forces while their aircraft were still on the ground. The attack was planned even before General Mordechai (Moti) Hod, had been appointed Air Force Commander. The main element of the plan was to carry out a massive, simultaneous attack of Israeli first-line aircraft against all Egyptian air force bases - the main Arab air force. This required exact and detailed planning of departure times and approaches of each of the attacking forces, in order to ensure the element of surprise on every target. On the morning of June 5, the aircraft of the IAF took off from their bases and attacked Egyptian air force bases in Sinai and Egypt. During the first wave, eleven fields were hit (among them some that had also been attacked in the first wave).

In a short, efficient and decisive blow, approximately 300 Egyptian aircraft, including bombers, combat planes and helicopters, were destroyed in less than 2 hours. The main air threat against Israel was eliminated and the Israel Defense Forces achieved air supremacy when Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi aircraft attacked targets in Israel. Once it was clear that King Hussein, the Jordanian leader, had chosen to undertake a military campaign on the Jerusalem front, the Israel Air Force turned to the Jordanian airfields in Amman and Mafrak and destroyed a large part of the Jordanian Air Force. When the confrontation was further extended on the same day over Syria and Iraq, Israeli aircraft continued their combat against these countries and also destroyed their aircraft. Airfields attacked in Syria included Damascus, Damir and Seikel. In Iraq, the H-3 airfield in the vicinity of the Jordanian border was attacked. Before the end of the first day of fighting, the air forces of the participating Arab states had been destroyed, thereby determining the fate of the entire war. Israeli armored forces could then fight the battle under ?clear skies?, and air force pilots were free to provide support to IDF ground forces in all the sectors, the breakthrough and transportation axes without leaving the rear of the State of Israel in danger of air attack. Israel Air Force losses in the fateful day of the battle were a total of 20 aircraft. Twelve pilots were killed, five were wounded and four captured.

The Egyptian Front

The main effort of Israeli armor was directed toward the Egyptian forces deployed in fortifications in the eastern parts of the Sinai and in the Gaza Strip, which consisted of 7 divisions with a total of about 100,000 soldiers, approximately 1,000 tanks and hundreds of artillery pieces. The Israel Defense Forces went against this disposition with a force of three divisions composed of armored, infantry and paratrooper brigades, as well as an independent mechanized brigade and an independent infantry brigade reinforced with paratroopers and armor. The fighting lasted four days, in a single, continuous momentum. Aware of the fact that the war could well last only a few days and that it was imperative to achieve a rapid victory, the IDF concentrated all of its armored strength in order to break through the Egyptian disposition. This was a fast attack forward, without securing the flanks and transportation axes. Very quickly, the Egyptian dispositions were broken through despite their initial resolute resistance.

The battle on the Egyptian front was conducted by the commander of the Southern Command, General Yishayahu Gavish. Under his command, breakthroughs were achieved along three main axes. The northern axis, and the Rafah-El Arish axis were allocated to General Israel Tal's division. After difficult breakthrough battles in the Khan-Yunis and Rafah areas on the first day of the war, the combat units continued onward past Sheikh-Zuwayd and from there in the direction of El-Arish, although the enemy quickly regrouped in the fortified El- Jiradi positions, the road to El-Arish was only opened up that day after bitter combat. All the Egyptian forces which faced the division were either destroyed, dispersed or taken prisoner.

The task of the division under the command of General Ariel Sharon was to conquer the large Egyptian fortified disposition in the Umm-Kateif Abu Awegeila-Quseima area. The force displayed excellent maneuverability against the dug-in and well-organized army, which had the advantage of much larger numbers. Combined forces of armor, paratroopers, infantry, artillery and engineers attacked the Egyptian disposition from the front flanks and rear, cutting the enemy off. The breakthrough battles which were in sandy areas and minefields, continued for 3 and-a-half days.

The division under the command of General Avraham Yoffe penetrated between the sectors covered by these two divisions, through Wadi Haroudin, a sand dune area considered impassable to mechanized units. Its aim was to reach the rear of the Egyptian forces. On the first night of the war, the force captured the Bir- Lahfan junction, cut-off of the Egyptian army forces between the two other combat sectors and prevented the approach of reinforcements from the heart of Sinai.

On the second day of the war, 6 June, 1967, General Tal's division made its way through northern Sinai, proceeding towards the Suez Canal in two axes (El-Arish Qantara axis and El-Arish Bir-Lahfan-Ismailiya axis) while engaging Egyptian forces in heavy combat. The Egyptian disposition at Bir-Lahfan was defeated, and a coordinated attack with General Yoffe's division blocked the western retreat lines of the Egyptian army in this sector. General Yoffe's division, composed of reserve soldiers, captured the Jebel-Libneh camps and destroyed the Egyptian reinforcements sent to the Umm-Kateif Abu Awegerila camp, where General Sharon's division completed the cleaning-up operation and continued south in the direction of Quseima. On the same day, complete control of the Gaza Strip was achieved, and on the afternoon of the following day Khan Yunis was captured.

On the third day of the war, 7 June, 1967, General Tal's division continued its advance towards the Suez Canal along the El-Arish-Qantara and El-Arish-Bir- Lahfan-Ismailiya axes, while conducting heavy armored battle against Egyptian forces. The important Bir-Gafgafa junction was captured and attempts by the Egyptian army to cross over the Canal in this sector were repressed. General Yoffe's division advanced on Bir-Hassneh and Bir El-Thamada and blocked the rear Egyptian armored columns retreating west from the Sinai towards the Mitla Pass. The mountains passes became a large killing ground for Egyptian vehicles, with the air force providing air support. A long line of obstacles blocked the retreat path to cross the Canal for Egyptian personnel and vehicles gathering at the approaches. General Sharon's division captured Quseima and continued its advance south-west in the direction of Nakhl.

The independent tank brigade under the command of Colonel Albert defeated the Kuntila outpost north of Eilat and continued to confront the Egyptian force posted in the sector and threatening to cut-off the town. Another force gained control of the Ras E-Nakeb Egyptian border post near Eilat. On the same day, Sharm El-Sheikh was captured without a fight. The Egyptians retreated following an air attack, and the Israel Navy landed personnel. In addition, paratroopers were landed in Sharm El-Sheikh and E-Tur and they started their advance northwards along the coast of the Gulf of Suez. By capturing the area, the Straits of Tiran were opened for the passage of Israeli and other vessels to and from Eilat.

On the fourth day of the war, 8 June, 1967, the Egyptian forces were defeated. General Tal's division conquered Qantara on the banks of the Suez Canal and continued south along the canal in order to join up with the main force of the division which continued from Bir-Gafgafa to the Suez Canal in the Ismailiya sector. South of them, General Yaffe's division also continued towards the canal along two axes in the Suez sector, while another force of his division continued on another route to Ras-Sudar on the Gulf of Suez, south of the Canal. From there, the force continued south along the Gulf of Suez and reached Abu- Zenima, where it met up with the paratroopers coming from E-Tur. General Sharon's division continued its advance south-west to the heart of Sinai and conquered Nakhl. In a more southern sector, Colonel Albert's independent tank brigade fought and defeated the Egyptian armored force which threatened to cut-off Eilat.

The Jordanian Front

The possibility of war breaking out in Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem intensified the tension and preparedness of the Central Command under the command of General Uzi Narkiss. Although all the forces were prepared for defense rather than attack, during the morning hours the news on the radio announced the start of the battle on the Egyptian front. A short time afterwards, the first shots were fired in the Jerusalem sector, first from light weapons and quickly followed by heavy Jordanian artillery shelling along the while length of the cease-fire line with Israel. When the Jordanians opened fire, the Central Command pressured the General Staff that it be allowed to react. However the General Staff rejected this demand since it did not want to open up another front while the IDFs main effort was being directed at the Egyptian front. Israel sent a message to Jordan that she had no hostile intentions and if Jordan would not enter the war, Israel would even understand a "salvo of honor" on Jordan?s part, an expression of their identification with the Egyptians and part of their obligation towards the Arab world.

However, the continuation of the barrage led to an understanding that the Jordanians had decided to open their own front. Indeed, Jordanian army forces penetrated and took control of Government House, the house used as the headquarters for the UN observers. The Israeli response was fast. At 3:35 p.m. on 5 June, 1967, a task force of the Jerusalem Brigade gained control of Government House and routed the Jordanian soldiers from the rooms. On completion of the short battle at Government House, the Jerusalem brigade continued under the command of Colonel Eliezer Amitai to conquer a series of neighboring Jordanian posts, up to Tsur Bakdar and the ?Bell? position, eastern Jerusalem from the South. At the same time as the Jerusalem force fought in the south-east sector of the city, the armored forces of the Harel Division under the command of Colonel Uri Ben-Ari started their advance on the Jordanian posts in the areas of Radar Hill, Sheikh Abed El-Aziz and Bet-Ihse in the north-west of the town and enemy deployments along the Jerusalem-Ramallah highway.

A reserve brigade of paratroopers under the command of Colonel Mordechai (Motta) Gur was brought to Jerusalem. Their task was to make a nighttime breakthrough of the Jordanian lines at the Police School posts and Ammunition Hill in the northern part of Jerusalem, from where they would be able to join up with the defenders of Mount Scopus enclave. One battalion broke through the area of the Police School conquering it and Ammunition Hill. The second battalion broke through in the Nahalat Shimon sector to capture Wadi Juz and the American Colony. The third battalion followed after the second and proceeded towards the walls of the Old City and the Rockefeller Museum. The night battle, which started at 2.00 a.m., was cruel and bloody. The Jordanian outpost on Ammunition Hill held firm and its fighters refused to surrender. The battle ended with sunrise. The paratroopers gained control of Ammunition Hill and the Police School, while other members of their unit advanced through the alleyways of the east of the city through to the walls of the old city and the Rockerfeller Museum, at the same time as joining up with the besieged Israeli enclave on Mount Scopus.

At that time, General Elad Peled's division which had been allocated for combat by the Northern Command was active in the Samaria area. The division, which was composed of two armored brigades and infantry forces, concentrated its efforts to gain control of the Dotan valley and the nearby junctions. Jenin was encircled and the hills surrounding the town were under Israel control. Most of the time, infantry forces from the Central Command returned fire against Jordanians in the Tulkarm and Qalqilya areas.

On the second day of the 6-Day War, 6 June, 1967, the fighting continued. Latrun was captured with daybreak, providing retribution for the blood of the fighters lost there in the War of Independence. The conquering force, an infantry brigade under the command of Moshe Yotvat, advanced in the direction of Beit Horon and joined up with the tanks of the Harel brigade in the southern entrances to Ramallah. During the morning hours, the Harel brigade was forced to advance twice on the Mivtar Hill, the key to the northern entry to Jerusalem, until the enemy resistance was overcome. The conquer of French Hill, Givat Shaul (Tel El-Ful) and Shuafat completely opened the Israeli approach to Mount Scopus and cut off the city from the north. By the evening of the second day, the Harel brigade tanks entered Ramallah and gained control of the city.

Along the narrow waistline of the state, in the Qalqilya area, the Givati infantry brigade under the command of Zeev Shacham and reinforced with tanks started its advance eastwards to the back of the mountain which was to be taken the following day. At the Kabatiya junction, there was a fierce fight between an armored brigade from Peled's division and a Jordanian armored brigade which reached the area from the Damya bridge. A little further north from there, IDF troops completed the defeat of Jenin. The Northern Command added an additional tank division to the fight, which fought battles with Jordanian tanks along the way to Tubas. The Jordanian army attempted to supply reinforcements of additional tanks, but they were trapped by the air force on the road from Jericho to Jerusalem and destroyed. The paratroop brigade, continued to gain control of east Jerusalem up to the walls of the old city. Their advance in the populated area was difficult, since many houses became the source of fire from Jordanian army soldiers. The Jerusalem Brigade, who captured in the Abu-Tor district in the south of the city, also faced similar prolonged house to house combat.

The eagerly awaited command to take the old city was given at sunrise on the third day of the war, 7 June, 1967. The Command assigned this task to the paratroopers, who started with an attack on the Augusta-Victoria hills and the Mount of Olives, overlooking the old city. After firing in the direction of the breakthrough path, the Lions Gate, the force from the east advanced forward very quickly and broke through into the old city. The paratroopers ran towards the Dome of the Rock, located next to the last remains of the Temple, the Western Wall, where, in the presence of the sector commander and the deputy head of the armed services, General Rabbi Shlomo Goren, the chief chaplain of the IDF blew a long blow on the rams horn, announcing the release of the Western Wall and the old city of Jerusalem. Jerusalem, the divided and split capital of Israel, was reunited.

In the mountains of Samaria, the Harel brigade completed the capture of mountain between Ramallah and Nablus, and two battalions of the brigade continued into the Jordan valley along two axes, captured Jericho and in cooperation with a Golani infantry brigade, gained control of Nablus.

The tank forces of Peled's division captured the routes to Jordan at the Damya (Adam) bridge and gained control of the northern part of the Jordan valley.

During the morning hours, the Jerusalem Brigade advanced on Bethlehem, the Etzion block and Hebron. Resistance was poor, and only here and there the sound of sharpshooters was heard and silenced. Within a short time, the whole of the Hebron mountain area was in the hands of the IDF.

The Syrian Front

The battle against Syria, Israel's bitterest enemy, persisted until the fifth day of the Six-Day War, despite the Syrian's heavy bombardment of the Hula valley settlements and the Galilee. The delay in the breakthrough of the Syrian attack after the defeat of the Egyptian army across Sinai, the release of Jerusalem, and IDF control of Judea and Samaria, raised a fear that it would be the Syrians, who were the source of the tension and caused the general flare-up in the first place, who would not be affected by the IDF. The main reason for the delay in the attack against Syria was because the Northern Command forces under the command of General David Elazar were confined to the Samarian front, where brigade after brigade was taken to help fight in this unexpected front. However, the delay in the attack on the Syrians enabled the concentration of a force enlarged with reinforcements from both the Egyptian and Samarian fronts, on completion of the battles there. International political pressure threatened to impair the operational plans, and a delegation from the northern settlements traveled to Tel Aviv in an effort to convince the Minister of Defense, Moshe Dayan, and the government to release them from the Syrian threat once and for all. In the end, the command was given to open the attack on the Syrian post on the Golan Heights.

The attacking force had to face very difficult topographical conditions. To scale steep, rugged and rocky heights and open a line for transportation while under constant fire from above. The Syrian army sat safely in its strong fortifications on the Golan Heights. It consisted of six infantry brigades, five National Guard battalions and about 200 tanks.

The breakthrough came at 10:00 AM on the morning of 9 June, 1967, after 2 days of heavy bombardment by the air force. It was spearheaded by Colonel Albert's tank brigade which came from the direction of Givat Ha'em north of Kfar Szold and showered the Syrian posts to the north, on the top of the Heights. In a complex engineering operation, soldiers from the Engineering Corps cleared the way of mines. They were followed by bulldozers which leveled a route for the tanks on the rocky face. The force conquered the Zaura and Kala positions while under heavy artillery fire. At the same time, the Golani infantry brigade under the command of Colonel Yona Efrat fought a fierce battle to conquer its targets in the sector, which included the Tel El-Fahar post which was the most fatal of all. A force consisting of infantry, Nahal and paratroopers defeated a series of other posts overlooking the Hula valley in the southern sector of the Heights and enables the passage of tanks deep into enemy territory. On the night of June 9- 10 an attack was mounted on Jalabina and enemy positions on the region of the border and the Banyas were captured.

The following day, in the morning of the 10 June, 1967, the forces renewed their advance in the north and central regions of the Golan Heights. The infantry and paratrooper units completed their defeat of targets in the area, and the tank units advanced on a number of axes to beyond the town of Quneitra, which was defeated at 3:30 p.m. without any battle. From there, a brigade continued traveling in the Southern Golan captured Butmiye. Another tank force entered and subdued the area at the foot of Mount Hermon, between Banyas and the Lebanese border, together with a Golani brigade and scout units. After this, they went up onto the Golan Heights and defeated Masada.

The Syrian deployment collapsed and the Syrian forces were in retreat.

On the same day, a tank and paratroop force from Elad Peled's division went up on the Tuafik posts located south-east of the Sea of Galilee, and from there advanced in a north-easterly direction towards Butmiye. In the afternoon of the same day, paratroop forces from the division were landed in the southern Golan Heights to purge the posts scattered across the sector. At the same, infantry forces were active in purging the area north-east of the Sea of Galilee. Towards night, the IDF already controlled the whole of the Golan Heights and was positioned along the whole line passing from Mount Hermon in the south, around Masada, Quneitra and Butmiye junction and extending to the Yarmuk river bed. A unit from the Golani brigade later arrived on the Hermon mountain and determined seizure by the IDF. On 12 June the cease-fire line was set by UN observers along these milestones.


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I hope it was interesting and I am waiting for your messages.

If you are interested, I'll post more articles about the Israeli Defence Forces and about Israel's survival, as poeple, nation and religion.


Star of David; Already 3200 years of survival.


Israel Defence Forces; The poeple are the army and the army is the poeple.

1 posted on 11/19/2004 12:12:46 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Tov Meod!!!


2 posted on 11/19/2004 12:14:53 PM PST by shubi
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

What do I think of the IDF?

Very dedicated. Extremely capable and among the finest the world has ever known.

I have a great deal of respect for the IDF. They have accomplished many great successes.

Good luck to you.


3 posted on 11/19/2004 12:24:01 PM PST by Rammer
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

First is my loyalty to our troops. They're #1. However, I think the IDF is great and #2. You fight under insurmountable odds, and never forget. Ariel Sharon is my hero (sigh). He can park his shoes under my Christmas tree anytime. I love that man!


4 posted on 11/19/2004 12:24:05 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

I will read it later.


5 posted on 11/19/2004 12:25:43 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
I remember The Six Day War mostly from my father. He was a lifer both in active military and then later in the National Guard here in the US. He was so impressed with that "tiny" little country beating back the incredible forces arrayed against it. The Six Day War began his lifelong admiration for your wonderful country. I guess he passed that along to both my brother and me. God Bless.
6 posted on 11/19/2004 12:29:26 PM PST by asp1
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To: asp1

The survival of Israel is crucial to the survival of America. IMHO

Stay strong IDF!!

By the way is there an form af martial arts that is unique to the Israeli special forces???????


7 posted on 11/19/2004 12:33:30 PM PST by PatriotCJC
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

God Bless everyone in the IDF... stay safe and stay strong.

And a heartfelt Shalom to you and all our friends in the great state of Israel

-- From your many many friends here in the US of A.


8 posted on 11/19/2004 12:37:21 PM PST by UncleSamUSA (the land of the free and the home of the brave)
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To: PatriotCJC

Yes, it is called Krav Maga, I believe.


9 posted on 11/19/2004 12:38:02 PM PST by RIghtWingAvenger
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

I recommend to all that view this thread to read "Crash Course in Jewish History" by Rabbi Ken Spiro. It is on the web and it is SO fascinating. Rabbi Spiro is a historian and it reads so well.


10 posted on 11/19/2004 12:38:56 PM PST by PatriotCJC
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

After the USA (always cheer the home country first), I have great admiration and respect for the IDF since the Six Day War, which happened when I was 11. I cheered the IDF's victory against the odds when the heathens were set on destroying Israel - to me it was a David vs. Goliath. My feelings have not changed in all the years since. To me, as an American, the IDF is like the best friend one grows up with, I cheer your victories, and I share your sorrows. Many, many people in the USA cheered the IDF operation in Entebbe (just in time for our Bicentennial), as well as the taking out of the Osirak reactor in '81. The media and libs moaned about it, but most Americans understood what was done and why it needed to be done. When I visited Israel in 1986, it was all I could do not to applaud everytime I saw an Israeli soldier. This American considers the IDF to be great friends of the USA, equal to the British and Australian forces.

Please add me to your list of recipients whenever you post anything on Israel.

Shalom right back to you. And as is sometimes said in the American South - God bless y'all real good!


11 posted on 11/19/2004 12:39:26 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of shucking and jiving)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

That is a great read. Thank you so much for sharing with us and please add me to your list when you write about Israel.


12 posted on 11/19/2004 1:01:20 PM PST by Laffalot
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To: Laffalot

I would love to put you in my list- however I have one qestion- how do i do it? lol


13 posted on 11/19/2004 1:05:53 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: All

People I hope you have the pation to read all this, becuase its very interesting, eaven for me, after reading it 100 times :)


14 posted on 11/19/2004 1:07:55 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
I would love to put you in my list- however I have one question- how do I do it?

He's referring to "ping" lists-- a file of member names you compose and save, who are interested in certain subjects or issues. Here'an example of Dr. Zin's:

Iranian Alert - November 19, 2004 [EST]- LIVE - "Bush Confronts New Challenge on Issue of Iran"

  Posted by DoctorZIn to Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; McGavin999; Hinoki Cypress; ...
On News/Activism 11/19/2004 3:59:15 PM EST · 25 of 26

15 posted on 11/19/2004 1:15:14 PM PST by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: backhoe

Thank you!


16 posted on 11/19/2004 1:22:12 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Very interesting read, but what I'd really like to read is your analysis of these victories!
17 posted on 11/19/2004 1:52:15 PM PST by papertyger
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
GTBOS...
( glad to be of service! )
18 posted on 11/19/2004 1:52:28 PM PST by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
In the mid 1970's I had a friend of sorts who had seen some action during the 1973 war. We took a few courses together and I liked him very much.

Over time I lost touch with him, and I am certain that he returned to Israel after he graduated.

I have long supported the Israeli people, and I am confident in their abilities to defend themselves.

Thanks for the post. I appreciated the history.

19 posted on 11/19/2004 2:02:16 PM PST by Radix (Will the last person out please turn off the Tag Lines?)
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To: All

Thanks all for reading and sharing your thoughts.


20 posted on 11/19/2004 2:19:55 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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Read both of these recently, liked both, particularly the Boyne title.

The Yom Kippur War: And the Airlift Strike That Saved Israel The Eve of Destruction: The Untold Story of the Yom Kippur War
The Yom Kippur War:
And the Airlift Strike That Saved Israel

by Walter J. Boyne
(Paperback)
The Two O'Clock War:
The 1973 Yom Kippur Conflict
and the Airlift That Saved Israel

(Hardcover)
The Eve of Destruction:
The Untold Story of
the Yom Kippur War

by Howard Blum


21 posted on 11/19/2004 10:27:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
How much money Israel spend on defense ?
How many soldiers is there in IDF ? How many tanks and airplanes do you have ? Could do you provide some details and sources ?
22 posted on 11/20/2004 3:28:02 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Israel spends 9% (this year) from its GDP on defence.
During the 60s, 70s and early 80s it reached somtimes 60% of the GDP (!!!).
The United States today spends 3.5% of its GDP on defence, however dont forget that the GDP is different in different countries.
In terms of money, today Israel spends 9 billion dollars on defence and also gets 2 billion dollars from the USA (in this year) to buy planes or other weaopnary systems from the USA.
Many of the weaopnary systems the IDF develops itself. Israel also developed the Lavi fighter who was evev better than the F-16 back then (late 80s), but the project was cancelled because preasure from the US and budget problems.
Israel today has 600 advanced warplanes, and by 2008 the number will be around 700 (because of the new F-16I and because the old F-4 will be replaced). Also IAF has in reservs 100-150 F-4s but as I said they will be replaced untill 2008. IAF (as far as I know) is the 5th largest air force in the world after USA, Russia, China, and India.
Israel develops its own tanks since 1967, and today the Merkava-4 tank is considered by many military experts to be the most advanced tank in the world.
Israel has about 4000 tanks (UK for example has only 500), mostly Merkava-3 and Merkava-4.
Soldiers: IDF has 170,000 regular service and career soldiers, but most of its power is reservs who all trained every year for 40-60 days, (after in the age of 18 they served 3 years in the regular army, and single women serve 2 years). The number of reservs is about 400,500 soldiers, so the total number is 600,300-600,500 soldiers.

Israel also develops many of its air defences, ground defences, and many of its electronics for its warplanes, missiles for warplanes (Python-5 is better than any american missile today (!) and was developed by REFAEL military industries), and Israel develops many other things.

Visit www.idf.il for more details and also read my article "IDF born in battle" found at:


23 posted on 11/20/2004 10:37:02 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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oh oops the article is the one you repplied at lol


24 posted on 11/20/2004 10:37:55 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Oh also Israel has the largest fleet of F-16s outside the USA.


25 posted on 11/20/2004 10:39:21 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

I've always thought the IDF was pretty cool. I'm only sorry that the Israelis have been so demonized by the MSM in the past twenty years.


26 posted on 11/20/2004 10:40:15 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
I'm a little familiar with Israeli equipment, but I'm confused about the money. 9% GDP is probably about $10 billion + 2 billion = about $12 billion. I don't remember exact numbers, but UK spend on defense about $40 billion and their armed forces are nor bigger, neither better equipped. I realize that drafted soldiers cost less, but anyway the difference is too big.
27 posted on 11/21/2004 1:47:08 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

IDF known for being the best in terms of saving money- even in tight budgets it operates better than for example the UK, or France (lol), and some of the IDF special units are better trained than the American units (IAF pilots, Sayeret Matkal, Sayeret Shaldag, Sayeret Duvdevan, Shayetet-13, YAMAM).
All this is done with tight budgets. How? I suppose its the simple fact that many of the scenarios that USA and EU are only trained for,the IDF is doing every day.


28 posted on 11/21/2004 5:51:37 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Thanks for the Article.


29 posted on 11/21/2004 5:58:13 AM PST by Haro_546 (Christian Zionist)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
French army isn't so bad, however it is true that their best unit is Foreign Legion :)

BTW Once some Polish pilot told me that a few Polish Mig29's were deployed in Israel in early 90's and they were flying together over the Negev. He said that Jews were happy, because they put their hands on Mig29's for the first time. Is that true ? Have you ever heard about it ?
30 posted on 11/21/2004 5:59:52 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

IDF knows how to spend every single dollar (or better to say shekel) in 100%.
For example the spy satellites of Israel, cost much less than the American spy satellities, however they operate with similar success! And thats when Israel is the only country who launching its satellities AGAINST the rotation of the earth! (so in case of an accident it wont fall east to an enemy country in the middle east).
By the way only 8 countries are able to send satellites into space, and Israel joined the "club" in 1988.
Also for example the budget of the Mossad is much smaller than of the CIA, however many believe that Mossad's agents are better than the CIA agents (however the technology of the CIA is better).

The best example however is IDF special forces, some top which are secret to the public, others are known for the public but have the same quality. All again simply because Israel is actually in a war since 1948- a war for its existment, and when you have so much expirience you can operate with maximum quality in minimum cost.

Thats the main reason for the quality of the IDF, oh well and I guess its also the poeple. As I said the poeple are the army and the army is the poeple. We know what can happen if we fail at our mission- destruction.


31 posted on 11/21/2004 6:02:52 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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Israel caught some Migs-23 and Migs-21 from Iraq and Syria, during the cold war- and such planes were the horror of the west, and Israel learned all their advantages and disadvantages, and I assume that the USA got this info also.
I about a Syrian pilot who in the 80s escaped to Israel with its Mig-23 because he wanted to live in a democratic regime. You can magine how useful this plane was for Israel and the Syrian-Soviet air tactics in air combats.


32 posted on 11/21/2004 6:06:08 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: Grzegorz 246

^


33 posted on 11/21/2004 6:10:37 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: Grzegorz 246

I never heard about Mig-29s in IAF service, neither other Migs.
The Migs that were caught were only for study and research.


34 posted on 11/22/2004 11:16:38 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

I think the jets that the IDF would be most worried about now are the Saudi F-15S & the UAE's Mirage-2009s & F-16 Blk 60s,all of which are BVR combat capable.None of Israel's usual rivals like Syria,Lebanon or even Iran seem to have the newest variants of the Mig-29 or SU-27/30 series or corresponding AAMs .Besides even if Israel wants to take a look at these jets,it can also ask Poland or India(which operates pretty much every generation & type of Soviet/Russian aircraft),given the big defense ties they share.


35 posted on 11/23/2004 9:30:57 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

We have the brand new F-15Is and F-16Is. Also the oil of the Saudis cant buy them PILOTS.

However IDF is colculating any step of our neighbors.


36 posted on 11/23/2004 9:36:34 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

IF what ive read is anything to go by,the UAE's F-16 Blk 60s are the most advanced variant of the F-16s now.They have an AESA radar unlike the conventional ones fitted on Israeli F-16Is & they will come armed with AIM-9Xs,AMRAAMs & HARM missiles.While it is not likely that the US has offered any stand-off weapons like the JASSM or SLAM-ER,they can easily buy such systems from the French/Brits,Swedes or even South Africa.The UAE's Mirage-2009s are the only aircraft in the region(apart from the IDF) which have stand off cruise missiles,called the Black Shahine( a variant of the Anglo-French Apache/Storm Shadow family) with a range 250+kms.

While I agree with you on Pilot quality & it's overwhelming importance,I hope you are aware of the personnel sheets of the Saudis & Emiraties(!!)-they have a large number of Pakistanis flying with them(infact they have official agreements with the Pakis) & I'm sure you've read of British,French & ex-Soviet pilots flying as mercenaries for the Arabs & remember that these GCC nations regularly exercise with the USAF,RAF & the French.While the Arabs may be pussies-these folks are certainly not.SO OIL CAN buy you decent pilots.


But all in all,the Israelis can whoop these guys with an eye closed,but I wouldn't want to take them lightly however.


37 posted on 11/23/2004 9:52:32 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The most advanced version of the F-16 is the Israeli F-16I and not the UAE's F-16.

Why? Simply beacuse many of the systems on the F-16I are made in Israel- meaning that we prefer an Israeli technology on American- and we have a good reason for.
By the way IAF has the Python-5 air to air missiles- and there is no US air to air missile that is better than the Python-5 and thats checked.

As far as I know, USAF PILOTS learn tactics from IAF PILOTS in joint trainings, and therefore I wouldnt count on Saudi pilots beating the Israelis.
Got my point? :)

In any case we do not underestimate our enemy, but I can put money on the fact that there are no better trained and expirienced pilots than the Israeli Pilots in the WHOLE world.
And thats checked.

Check my HOME PAGE to learn about the IAF and its records.


38 posted on 11/23/2004 12:54:57 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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IAF pilots have MUCH, MUCH more flight hours than the USAF pilots or any other pilots, and the scenarios that other air forces are only training for- the IAF is preforming every day.

IAF pilots TEACH the USAF pilots and Indian Air Force pilots and others air to air tactics.

So even if the Arabs have some good planes that doesnt mean that they can fly them.

Its not the air craft who makes the pilot, but its the pilot who makes the air craft.


39 posted on 11/23/2004 1:10:48 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Agreed-100 percent!!!I have no problem in stating that Israeli airforce is the best in the whole world as far potency goes.My whole point about the advancements & training of the Slammic pilots is that we cannot take them as lightly as the Syrians/Egyptians who used Soviet stuff in the 70s.THese folks have the money,which the Arab republics back then couldn't dream off-which is another reason why they are being offered everything from the Eurofighter Typhoon to the Rafale F-2 & the Saab Jas-39 Grippen with the add-ons like cruise missiles & extensive maintainance support.


Your homepage looks kewl-keep up the good work & can I PLEASE see something about the Israeli navy,particularly the Saar-5 corvettes & the proposed medium range Barak-2 missiles(to be supposedly developed with India).


BTW-isn't the Python-5 a stopgap till the Python-6 comes online??Ive read that India is interested in the Derby for it's existing airforce Mirages(the yet to be purchased Mirage-2005s will carry the MICA) & also to upgrade it's navy harriers-how does the Derby rate alongside the AMRAAM or AA-12??Does the Indian airforce train with the IDF-info on it is really scanty,probably given the sensitivites it causes to Slammics,but have you seen anything on this?


40 posted on 11/23/2004 6:51:52 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

"My whole point about the advancements & training of the Slammic pilots is that we cannot take them as lightly as the Syrians/Egyptians who used Soviet stuff in the 70s."

I think you are a bit confused lol- the Soviet "stuff" was the best in the world, side by side with the American stuff if not even BETTER.
For that matter Israel had MUCH poorer equipment than of the arabs untill the 1980s, yet we won all this Soviet stuff with poorer methods.
The Soviet Migs were the horror of the west, and IAF took many of them to the ground, sometimes with Soviet pilots on board.
While the Arabs had the great Soviet supply- and it was almost UNLIMITED supply, we had to work with poor tanks from the 40s and 50s during the Six Days War and War of Attrition and Yom Kippur War, yet we won all the time the great Soviet equipment. As far as it goes for the planes it was very similar.

Abut the Israeli Navi I'll try to look for some stuff :)

The Python-5 is the improvment of Python-4, and it is the best air to air missile in low-meduim ranges. There is no US missile today than is better.
Python-6 is already under work, and I cant wait to see it in action!!!!!!! Because if the Pyth-5 is so amazing, I wonder how will the Pyth-6 be! One word for Refael military industries: AMAZING WORK!

About IDF and India we started to coaporate with them in joint trainings and we supply them some good technology that we develop here.
However IDF and US army having more joint trainings than IDF and India.


41 posted on 11/23/2004 9:48:27 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israeli Defence Forces)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot; yonif; Alouette; Kathy in Alaska; tomkow6; All

Rack IDF

Rack itttt


42 posted on 12/26/2004 11:34:09 AM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot; All

I got question was during Reagan administratioin

RONNIEEE HOW COULD YOU?????


43 posted on 12/26/2004 11:35:16 AM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

I come from a family with at least a 350 year fighting tradition in America and a well preserved sense of history. Through the generations, every male in my family has served in the military in the US, and before it, the British Army, unless some physical condition prevented it. A lot of them died.

My father regrets the fact to this day that he couldnt go over to Israel in 1948 to fight for its independence. A WWII veteran, he wanted to do it because of what he had seen in the war and his deep faith in G-d, but he had a new wife and children and she forbid him to do it.

In the town I come from, a lot of the older men wanted to do the same thing, but were prevented from doing so for a number of reason. The most common reason was lack of money or transportation to make the trip.

Israel is a lot like America in its earliest days. Many brave young men and women have stood eye to eye with every possible adversity and built a nation from the ground up. I admire courage, and it takes courage to do what the Israelis have done, in less than 60 years.

Today, I see Israel as an ally plain and simple. We fight different fronts in the war, to be sure, but you are a valuable ally, and one to be trusted.

In the 350 year family military history, there is a new wrinkle. My wife is Jewish, and so are my kids. The next generation of my family, and my grandchildren after that may fight for Israel, depending on their paths in life. As for me, I am eligible for Israeli citizenship, and if they needed a guy like me who is in his early 40's, I'm all for it and would gladly serve in the IDF.

I have a personal investment in the outcome now, something I didnt have in 1982.








44 posted on 12/26/2004 2:39:18 PM PST by judicial meanz
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To: IAF ThunderPilot; All

OH Wait a minute I thought the story was BS

COOL so was the pilot granted citizenship I HOPE SO


45 posted on 12/26/2004 7:04:36 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Outside of the United States Armed Forces, I have nothing but the highest respect for the IDF. No other force in the World is as prepared and tested as yours.

As for your past battles - I have no doubt in my heart that God was with you, especially during your War of Independence.

Good luck and Godspeed, my Israeli friend.
46 posted on 12/26/2004 7:34:09 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Oh yeah - and F the french too!)
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To: judicial meanz

The story is amazing!
May God bless you!


47 posted on 12/26/2004 8:58:38 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defence Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Thank you!


48 posted on 12/26/2004 8:59:24 PM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defence Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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