Posted on 11/19/2004 8:20:07 AM PST by JesseHousman
Twelve year olds aren't allowed to vote. Are we infringing on their constitutional rights by not allowing them to?
I'll say it again. The only people I know of who want minors to be treated as full citizens are homosexuals, pedophiles, and the ACLU, and other assorted liberal weirdos.
As is the local government by telling parents they cannot be the final arbiter of when their kids have to come home.
Nice try, though.
If we don't let children run amock, have sex with adults, basically do what ever they want to, we're all in danger, right.
Spoken like a true liberal. I wonder which category you fit into.
No, I am not in a position of authority. I do have a great boss, who I do not distrust. If I did have that power, I'm sure I would question myself. And I would not be a corrupt hypocrite.
No. The Constitution forbids the states from keeping the vote away from anyone over 18. 12 year-old are therefore not constitutionally entitled to the vote.
Straw man argument. Nobody is proposing that people under a certain age have the exact same rights as adults.
Yeah, right.
Kids who run amock and break the law can be arrested and/or their parents can be held accountable. If an adult has sex with somebody who is underage, they get arrested.
You seem fond of putting words in peoples' mouths.
Fine. Nobody on this thread is proposing that, then.
You know exactly what the agenda is here, and why the ACLU is interjecting themselves into this fray.
Only for as long as children are treated as minors, right?
'How about innocent until proven guilty? If the bad seeds commit a crime, arrest and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, but don't assume that everyone out past a certain time is up to no good..'
Thank you. I can't stay around, but I wanted to mention that people sometimes forget that THE PEOPLE in this country are the sovereigns, and the State is our servant. When the State starts treating the master as if he were the servant, it's time to rein the State in. One of the ways the State turned our sovereignty on its head was by deliberately hiding the fact that there is a PREAMBLE to the Bill of Rights that states clearly that the government only has the power we delegate to them, another is through the cunning 14th Amendment.
See:
The Preamble to the Bill of Rights
http://www.harbornet.com/rights/lindat.html
INDEX TO THE 14TH AMENDMENT
http://usa-the-republic.com/amendment_14/Index.html
Know Your Rights!
http://www.harbornet.com/rights/states.html
It is time some of us [myself included] study up on what was taken from us, and how to go about taking it back. It's our destiny:
If the Son hath made ye free, ye shall be free indeed.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/8/36.html
Unless we choose to be slaves.
Constitutional Convention
[the effort to rewrite the Constitution to suit the New World Order] http://www.sweetliberty.org/concon.htm
Three rights mentioned on this thread would look far different:
'The Bill of Rights would be replaced by "privileges" given to us by the world government and taken away at its whim. For example...
Article 1-A Sec.1 - "Freedom of expression shall not be abridged except in declared emergency". A perpetual state of emergency could be declared which would prevent anyone from writing the material you are now reading. In fact, we could face imprisonment for the mere reading of this type information.
Article 1A Sec.8 - "The practice of religion shall be privileged".
Article 1B Sec. 8 - "Bearing of arms shall be confined to the police, members of the armed forces, and ***those licensed UNDER LAW." '
We need to rein them in now, if we want to be people with Constitutional liberty, instead of people 'UNDER the Law'.
There is no serious movement to change that situation.
You must live under a rock. What a disingenuous statement. I'll let that one fall on its own merit.
I was speaking to their perspectives. I'm not impressed with the FSC - they seem elistist. I doubt they are concerned for the innocent people in these neighborhoods, who are equally entitled to live in peace and safety, but cannot afford the gated neighborhood.
What about 'curfews' (restrictions) against driving drunk? We shouldn't ban all drunk drivers just because some commit murder with their vehicles while they're under the influence.
Everything else is a strawman.....the ACLU testing the waters again, continuing their program of destroying America. That's all this is.
Other than NAMBLA and a few radical leftists there is no such movement.
Try letting your 2 yr old run around outdoors at night(or during the day for that matter) and see what happens.
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