Commanders plead for armor..

There was a version half-done by a Depot unit over in Iraq. The basics are a 5-ton (old-style) chassis and engine cowl, with a M113 hull minus the powerpack mounted on it. The 5-ton cowl fits nearly perfectly into the space for the 113's engine. Anyway, the depot guys got the hull on the chassis, and had gotten as far as fitting the front windscreens, and cutting openings for the side windows, when they were ordered to desist. There were some good pics floating around for a while.

21 posted on 11/15/2004 12:27:54 PM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)

How does “request” become “plead”?

22 posted on 11/15/2004 12:31:11 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)

To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

There are 25,000,000 enemies coming at us one at a time.

25,000,000? I thought there were a billion Muslims in the world today.

23 posted on 11/15/2004 12:34:00 PM PST by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)

I agree. And, the 113's can carry a lot of firepower. Plus they are quick, can nearly turn in their own length. With the motors turned up, they can exceed 50 mph fully loaded.

24 posted on 11/15/2004 12:34:21 PM PST by Parmy

I'm sure they'll have the new jacks. God speed and God bless! :)

25 posted on 11/15/2004 1:32:47 PM PST by Conservative Coulter Fan (BURN IN HELL, MICHAEL MOORE!)

The HUMVEE is an excellent vehicle however it is not the best design or the most cost effective design for this type of fight . Vehicles like the old Rhodesian mine resistant buffalo apc & other similar vehicles based on a Unimog truck 4x4 chasis & drive train made in this country by Daimler Chrysler . Sold commercially by Freightliner

Using welded steel & kevlar will do wonders for increasing the survival of GI's who are currently riding in sheet metal & plastic/fiberglass body type vehicles . Tracked vehicles aren't the best option as the problem of continious operations & the maintenance requirements of tracked vehicles.

The key to the reliability lies in using a TRUCK CHASIS & DRIVE TRAIN the HUMVEE for all its virtues isn't built on a truck chasis nor does it have the engine/tranny/suspension needed to bear the extra weight of armor without excessive wear.

Also the $226,000 price tag needed to up armor a HUMVEE as opposed to $60,000 for a vehicle similar to the old buffalo design would basically allow you to buy 4 armored vehicles specifically designed to survive IED's & landmines as compared to a vehicle that is a cobbled together improvisation & lets face facts the broad flat underside of a HUMVEE is perfect for using AT mines against.

26 posted on 11/15/2004 5:18:29 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)

To: Nebr FAL owner

I agreee. We need the right vehicle, whatever it is. Built in IED jammer/kevlar/think armor underside or better.

Spend 30 billion. I dont care. Not worth 500+ dead americans due to IEDS

27 posted on 11/15/2004 5:21:56 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)

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